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A93044 Truth prevailing against the fiercest opposition being a vindication of Dr. Russel's True narrative of the Portsmouth disputation ... Also, a sermon upon Mat. 28. 19. by Mr. John Williams ... As also An answer to the Presbyterian dialogue, by another hand / published by Mr. John Sharp ... who was moderator at the disputation in Portsmouth. Sharp, John, of Froome, Somersetshire.; Williams, John, minister. 1700 (1700) Wing S3005; ESTC R217599 120,924 184

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that were admitted to Church-membership and Circumcision under the Law then Children are losers by the coming of Christ in respect of outward Privileges To this I answer 1. If this be granted where shall the ●lame be laid It was the Pleasure of God under the Legal Administration that Children should enjoy these Privileges ●nd it 's the Pleasure of God under the Evangelical Administration that they should not enjoy them Men that were known after the Flesh before Christ came were no longer known after the Flesh when Christ was offered up Birth-Privileges were utterly ceas'd 2 Cor. 5. 16. The Apostle stops ●he mouth of all Objections in this matter by letting us know ●hat all things are of God who hath reconciled us to himself ●y Jesus Christ 2. If there must be no alteration under the Gospel of ●hat there was under the Law what then do you allow your ●hildren in the room of the Passover which then they had 〈◊〉 right to there was a Lamb appointed for a House Chil●ren were a part of the House and we can prove that ther● were Children in those Houses where the Passover was eaten Why do ye not plead for the Supper for your Children in the room of the Passover as well as for Baptism in the room of Circumcision you have as much ground to plead for the one as for the other And what have we in the room of the Feast of First-fruits and of the Feast of Ingatherings shall we say that we are losers by the coming of Christ in respect of outward Privileges because we have nothing in the room of these Feasts Object 11. But we are to teach all Nations and to baptize them Children are a part of a Nation therefore they must be baptized To this I answer 1. Turk and Pope are parts of a Nation tho not both of the same Nation and so are all the Pagans and Heathens in the World must all these be baptized because they are part of a Nation 2. Tho Children are part of a Nation yet they are not part of a discipled Nation they themselves being not discipled to Christ the word them is relative to all Nations so and so modified and qualified it is not all Nations considered as such but all Nations discipled to Christ that ought to be baptized III. I shall give one Reason of the Point why Believers or such as are discipled to Christ by the Word are the only Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission and that is because such only are put into the Commission these are to be found there and there are none but these to be found there Ministers must keep close to their Commission and if they do they will find that there are no more to be baptized by them than are discipled unto Christ IV. I shall make some Application of the Point And first By way of Information Is it so that Believers or such as are discipled to Christ by the Word are the only Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Then 1st It may inform us that Ministers have sufficient Authority to disciple to Christ by the Word and to baptize such as are discipled That if the Question be By what Authority they do these things and who gave them this Authority they have their Answer ready at hand they have it from Christ they have it not of Man nor from Man they have it not from the Magistrate nor from Ministers that were before them nor yet from any Church or Churches but from Christ That they have sufficient Authority for what they do of this kind will appear in a few Particulars 1. They have a Commission from Christ for what they do and that under the broad Seal of Heaven Christ came and spake unto them and said Go teach all Nations baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost They are sent by Christ and have their Work assign'd them by Christ they have their Commission to show for what they do The Baptism of Disciples is not of Men but of God their Commission is from him who is God as well as Man 2. Jesus Christ had Authority to give them this Commission and he declared his Authority before he gave it Mat. 28. 18. All Power is given unto me both in Heaven and in Earth 3. Christ had his Authority from the Father who is the Lord of the whole Earth in whom all Power is originally vested by right of Creation John 5. 22 23. The Father judgeth no Man but hath committed all Power unto the Son That all Men might honour the Son even as they honour the Father 2dly It may inform us what the use and benefit of Baptism is that a Believer may expect in taking up of the Ordinance 1. It is an obliging Ordinance it binds the Soul to die to Sin and live unto Holiness Rom. 6. 2 3 4 5. How shall we that are dead to Sin live any longer therein Know you not that as many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into his Death Therefore we are buried with him by Baptism into Death that even as Christ was raised by the Glory of the Father we also should walk in newness of Life We are buried with him by Baptism into Death that as the Body that is buried in the Grave lies rotting and consuming away so the body of Sin should waste and consume away 2. It 's a confirming Ordinance it 's of use to confirm our Faith in the remission of Sin by the Blood of Jesus Christ Acts 2. 38. Repent and be baptized for the remission of Sin c. Baptism doth not remit Sin but it 's a figure of that Blood by which the guilt of Sin is wash'd away it 's an Evidence together with Faith of our Title to Salvation Mark 16. 16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved It 's no Evidence by it self but together with Faith it is as it 's taken up in Obedience to the Will of God without Faith it 's of no use at all and therefore there is no reason to contend for it for such as do not believe but together with Faith it 's of great use Secondly I would make use of it by way of Caution first to Ministers and secondly to People First To Ministers and that in two Branches 1. To beware they do not mistake the Subject of Baptism and so administer the Ordinance to those that have no right to it I shall here propose a few things to be considered 1. There are a great many Ministers that are mistaken I mean such as are for Infant-Baptism I do not lay down this upon a bare Conjecture but upon certain knowledg Ministers are divided into four Parties about the Subjects tho they are all for baptizing of Children yet not for the baptizing of all Children and three of these Parties are mistaken which is ground enough to put the fourth upon a further search and inquiry
he gives Credit to one that hath thus imposed upon him in such a confident manner with such a notorious invented Story of his own making and by that means give occasion to have his Name printed in their false and scandalous Account 4. This may well give his Lordship and all others a just occasion to suspect the Narrative they have published for if they can allow themselves such a liberty to print such notorious Falshoods as these are about matter of Fact what reason is there to believe them in any thing they say And if Mr. Robinson will but be so just as to present his Lordship with my True Narrative upon comparing both together with our Vindication I doubt not but he will have other sentiments of that Disputation and be sufficiently convinc'd of their Partiality and Prevarications 5. They charge me for abusing Mr. Gosnold in these words 'T is as ridiculous as to abuse his dear Friend and prefix false Greek as a Title to his Book when at least in that Edition we have seen there is only a plain English Title Of the Doctrine of Baptisms 1. 'T is they that abuse me For the very first words in his Title are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in that Edition published by himself If others that reprinted it since his death have left it out 't is their fault not mine 2. It 's true and proper Greek as they themselves confess unless the Apostle Paul wrote false Greek for they say the Letters are the same Heb. 6. 2. so that they must not charge Mr. Gosnold with it but the Apostle Paul Are not these bold Men to charge Paul with writing false Greek 3. Their Pretence is false For that learned Man Mr. John Gosnold did know how to distinguish between the Nominative and Genitive Case and so do I. But they must throw this Reflection upon our Translators of the Bible and upon Paul himself or rather take it to themselves as a false Accusation to whom it properly belongs 4. Mr. Gosnold doth not treat of the Baptism of Water alone but of all the three Baptisms spoken of in Scripture viz. that of Water which is a real Baptism and that of the Spirit and also that of Affliction as metaphorical Baptisms And as the Greek is true so the Title of his Book is the most proper that could be thought of The Doctrine of Baptisms 5. As to that for which this Charge is brought they pretend they gave the Answer there recited in the time of the Dispute whereas they know 't is an invented Answer of their own made on purpose to sham off the matter to which it relates But that is a small thing with them for they have done so throughout their pretended Account of the Disputation wherein they have most egregiously abused the World 6. In pag. 75. they let us know their Memories are short with respect to what I set down in pag. 35. of my Narrative where I say I do not remember that there is any account in History during the first five hundred years that any one of the Fathers or eminent Bishops of the Church that were born of Christian Parents were baptized until they were about twenty or thirty years of Age And if any of you know the contrary I desire you would shew it Upon which Mr. Leigh answered What do you tell us of the Fathers We are not bound to abide by their Testimony And notwithstanding I then made a full Reply thereto yet these Men tell the World they do not remember that it was mentioned in the Disputation But the thing they could not remember was to find out an Instance to the contrary for that they have not given us neither then nor since which they would certainly have done if they had known how But they pretend to remember that which was never said nor thought by me viz. That for the first six hundred years Infants were admitted to Communion in the Lord's-Supper And this I must charge upon them as utterly false and an Invention of their own But it is true that from Austin's time for the space of five or six hundred years the Supper was given to Infants and both that and Baptism contended for as necessary to Salvation For which Austin had that Name given him of Pater durus Infantium And this is so well known to the Learned that these Men will but discover their Ignorance in denying it 7. They have wholly altered the state of the Case as to what Mr. Chandler said upon Dan. 4. 33. For whereas he asserted that the word in the Septuagint Translation was baptizo I denied it and told him it was ebaphe But that if it had been as he said it was nothing to his purpose because it was not originally written in Greek Upon which he said Baptizo comes from Tabal I asked him then how it was in the Hebrew in that place He answered it was Tabal which I denied And after I had seen the place I told him it was not there See p. 54. of my Narrative And at last Mr. Chandler confest it was not And they all allow it in Print Nevertheless in their own account p. 82. they say that to try my Skill in the Hebrew who had so shamefully faulter'd in the Greek I was asked what the Hebrew word was and that I said if I had an Hebrew Bible I could tell Now this I must charge upon them as an Invention of their own And his Friend Mr. Ring can testify that I had made my Observations upon that place in Dan. 4. 33. and sent them to Portsmouth in a Letter and received an Answer from him before I came down to the Dispute and had examined the place upon the occasion of a Passage upon it in Mr. Chandler's Sermon upon the word Tabal and therefore knew what Mr. Chandler said was false before I came from London So that I did not stand in need of a Hebrew Bible to examine that in the time of the Dispute But I have cause to suspect that Mr. Chandler had not examined it himself but made use of some other who did not rightly inform him for altho it be in v. 33. in the English Bible it is not so in the Hebrew but in v. 30. And altho I knew it I was no more obliged to teach him that than I was to instruct him in the difference between the Hebrew and Chaldee words in the Book of Daniel But it was my business to force him to acknowledg before all the People that what he said was false which accordingly he did and hath since done in Print And as for that silly Sarcasm of theirs that Hebrew Bibles are all misplaced with him for we hear from good hands they should have said from lying hands that at Havering in Essex he was confounded with the same place and could not find the Prophecy of Daniel I answer First I had but one Dispute at Essex and that was in the parish-Church at
no need to make choice of a place where there was much Water a little Water would have ser●ed the turn especially if it had been by sprinkling as the manner of some is I suppose the same reason may be render'd why John did baptize in Jordan and the People came from all parts thither to be baptized for there was much Water Also Mark 1. 5. John baptized them in the River of Jordan It 's very strange that he should baptize them in the River if he did it by sprinkling a little Water on the Face 3. It appears it was by dipping in that the Subject and t●e Administrator went both down into the Water and then baptized and after the Subject was baptized they came both up out of the Water Acts 8. 38 39. And he commanded the Chariot to stand still and they went down both into the Water both Philip and the Eunuch and he baptized him And when they were come up out of the Water c. Mat. 3. 16. And Jesus when he was baptized went straightway up out of the Water c. But here it is objected that the word that is translated Acts 8. 38. into is sometimes used for to and not for into it may signify either and is used promiscuously for to or into so that nothing may be concluded barely from the word To this I answer suppose this be granted yet it follows not but that it may and ought to be taken here for into as it is translated For 1. We see it was the Judgment of the Translators that it ought to be so taken here or else they would have translated it otherwise I can't think they did it contrary to their Judgment 2. The Text tells you they came to the Water antecedent to their going down into it First They came unto a certain Water ver 36. Did they draw back the Chariot that they might come unto it a second time and not go down into it at all 3. It is observed that the Greek word that is translated unto is a different word from that which is translated into 4. This word into is consonant with other Scriptures where Baptism is the Point in hand Christ came up out of the Water and if so he went first down into it John baptized them in the River of Jordan how could that be unless they went down into the River Again it 's observ'd that the Greek Prepositions are used elsewhere in their proper sense for into and out of Mat. 27. 53. And came out of their Graves and went into the holy City there it 's observ'd that the Preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 out of and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into are used in their proper sense John 20. 27. and thrust it into my side there the Preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is used into Mat. 16. 9. Luke 8. 2. out of whom he cast seven here in both these Texts 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 out of is used Acts 16. 40. And they went out of the Prison and entred into the House of Lydia where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 are both used in one Verse as well as in Acts 8. 38 39. and certainly they were both in Prison and Water before they came out here again these are borrowed Lines concerning the Greek words as the former were yet I suppose my Author hath not abused me in it 4. It appears it is by Dipping from the allusion it hath to a Burial We are buried with him by Baptism Col. 2. 12. A Person is not buried that hath only a little Dust or Earth sprinkled on his Face but he is then buried when he is laid into the Earth and covered all over Rom. 6. 4. We are buried with him by Baptism into death that even as Christ was raised by the Glory of the Father we also should walk in newness of Life 5. It appears it is by Dipping in that the whole of the Subject is to be baptized and not a part only the Commission is to baptize the Person the Face is no more mentioned than the Feet nor is there any part mentioned but the whole the word is baptizing them If it be objected that the Face doth signify the Person I answer if that be granted yet the Person doth not signify the Face It 's the Person that is to be baptized but the sprinkling a little Water on the Face doth never wash the whole of the Subject and this being done on the Face of a little Infant is neither the washing away the filth of the Flesh nor yet the answer of a good Conscience by the Resurrection of Christ there is neither the Figure nor the thing figured 2dly It must be by Dipping in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost In these two the Form of the Ordinance doth consist Secondly I shall prove the truth of the Point by Scripture And here first I shall prove that Disciples are the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission And secondly That they are the only Subjects thereof First That Disciples or Believers are the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission And here I need not multiply many Scriptures tho it be a Point the truth of which has been much opposed the Truth of the Poin● lying so full and clear in the Text which Text is the only Commission that Ministers have to act by and whatever Arguments are brought to prove that such as are not discipled to Christ by the Word that is by actual Instruction ought to be baptized are all insignificant unless they can prove it by this very Text if their Commission do not warrant them to baptize such as are not discipled to Christ by the Word there is no Text in all the New Testament that will warrant them so to do By the Commission it is to disciple and baptize yet I shall subjoin a few Scriptures for the Confirmation thereof First That Disciples are the Subjects of Baptism Mark 16. 16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved this is the same Commission and here believing is to precede baptizing Acts 2. 38. Repent and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ If Repentance here be not to be taken for Faith yet I am sure it can't be without Faith For first there cannot be a true Godly Sorrow for crucifying the Son of God without a true sight of a crucified Christ Secondly There can be no acceptance of what is done without Faith for without Faith it is impossible to pleas● God Acts 8. 37. If thou believest with all thy Heart thou mayst that is thou mayst be baptized Secondly I shall prove it by Scripture Precedents And here we have not one Precedent in all the Scripture of any one Person that ever was baptized till such time as they did believe or were discipled unto Christ by the Word The first Precedent that I shall offer is those that were baptized