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A16701 The apologie of the Romane Church deuided into three seuerall tractes whereof 1. The first, concerneth the antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second that the Protestantes religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde that Catholickes are no lesse loyall and dutifull to their soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proued by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues. Anderton, Lawrence.; Anderton, James, fl. 1624, attributed name. 1604 (1604) STC 3604; ESTC S119868 294,461 212

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etc._n etc._n cur_n ergo_fw-la anxie_fw-la &_o curiose_fw-la probant_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la a_o nobis_fw-la nunquam_fw-la negatum_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o ibidem_fw-la page_n 241._o initio_fw-la he_o say_v visibilis_fw-la est_fw-la propter_fw-la exercitia_fw-la pietatis_fw-la quae_fw-la videntur_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la nam_fw-la dum_fw-la ministri_fw-la docent_fw-la alij_fw-la discunt_fw-la illi_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la administrant_fw-la hij_fw-la communicant_a etc._n etc._n qui_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la videt_fw-la talpa_fw-la est_fw-la caecior_fw-la visibilis_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la notae_fw-la sunt_fw-la ensign_fw-la &_o conspicuae_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o page_n 242._o initio_fw-la he_o say_v non_fw-la enim_fw-la clancularij_fw-la se●essus_fw-la etc._n etc._n convocationes_fw-la sunt_fw-la christianae_n and_o page_n 281_o fine_a he_o affirm_v concern_v the_o church_n militant_a which_o be_v the_o only_a point_n in_o question_n ●portere_fw-la 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