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A38090 Antapologia, or, A full answer to the Apologeticall narration of Mr. Goodwin, Mr. Nye, Mr. Sympson, Mr. Burroughs, Mr. Bridge, members of the Assembly of Divines wherein is handled many of the controversies of these times, viz. ... : humbly also submitted to the honourable Houses of Parliament / by Thomas Edwards ... Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647. 1644 (1644) Wing E223; ESTC R1672 272,405 322

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jure_fw-la supremi_fw-la magistratus_fw-la in_o ecclesiasticis_fw-la e●…ita_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la grotij_fw-la piet_fw-la as_o ordinum_fw-la episcopij_fw-la disputatio_fw-la de_fw-la jure_fw-la magistratus_fw-la circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la barlei_n declamatio_fw-la seu_fw-la philippica_fw-la quaedam_fw-la in_o ministros_fw-la qui_fw-la orthodoxam_fw-la &_o receptam_fw-la religionem_fw-la tuebantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n praeter_fw-la quae_fw-la vulgares_fw-la &_o vernaculi_fw-la libelli_fw-la quorum_fw-la numerus_fw-la innumerus_fw-la &_o consiones_fw-la remonstrantium_fw-la nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la quam_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la &_o potestatem_fw-la magistratuum_fw-la perstrepebant_fw-la &_o nescio_fw-la qua_fw-la inuidia_fw-la orthodoxos_fw-la pastor_n ●…orumque_fw-la legitimos_fw-la co●…ventus_fw-la &_o actiones_fw-la ecclesiasticas_fw-la gravabant_fw-la et_fw-la hac_fw-la quidem_fw-la inprimis_fw-la in_o dictis_fw-la duabus_fw-la provincij●…_n na_o in_o geldria_n aliter_fw-la canebant_fw-la aut_fw-la mussitabant_fw-la quod_fw-la iii_o curja_n conatibus_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la minimè_fw-la faveret_fw-la idem_fw-la fere_n accidebat_fw-la in_o frisia_n amstelredami_fw-la atque_fw-la alibi_fw-la ubi_fw-la magistratus_fw-la omne_fw-la contra_fw-la presbyteria_fw-la &_o pastor_n non_fw-la statuebat_fw-la ex_fw-la 〈◊〉_d aut_fw-la in_o favorem_fw-la remonstrantium_fw-la post_fw-la habitam_fw-la synodum_fw-la dordracenam_fw-la libelli_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la vernaculi_fw-la longè_fw-la alio_fw-la stilo_fw-it conscripti_fw-la sunt_fw-la quin_fw-la &_o in_fw-la ipsa_fw-la apologia_fw-la quam_fw-la tamen_fw-la magistratibus_fw-la probari_fw-la volebant_fw-la cap._n 25._o potestatem_fw-la hanc_fw-la non_fw-la parum_fw-la limitant_n ac_fw-la contrahunt_fw-la quam_fw-la tamen_fw-la tam_fw-la liberaliter_fw-la ante_fw-la hac_fw-la ad_fw-la mens●…_n erant_fw-la erant_fw-la vedelius_fw-la de_fw-la episcop_n constant._n magni_fw-la pag._n 3_o 4_o 5_o 6._o arminiani_n è_fw-la contrario_fw-la in_o excessu_fw-la peccant_a etenim_fw-la ante_fw-la synodum_fw-la dordracenam_fw-la contendebant_fw-la sub_fw-la magistratu_fw-la orthodoxo_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la nullam_fw-la babere_fw-la potestatem_fw-la spiritualem_fw-la ministros_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la officio_fw-la svo_fw-la defungi_fw-la nomine_fw-la magistratus_fw-la ita_fw-la ut_fw-la magistratus_fw-la quia_fw-la ipse_fw-la per_fw-la alia_fw-la negotia_fw-la concionari_fw-la etc._n etc._n non_fw-la possit_fw-la per_fw-la ministros_fw-la doceat_fw-la qui_fw-la vice_n ipsius_fw-la gerant_fw-la in_o docendo_fw-la quem_fw-la admndum_fw-la vicarius_fw-la trajani_n imperatoris_fw-la vice_n gerebat_fw-la svi_fw-la imperatoris_fw-la et_fw-la sic_fw-la ministros_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la svam_fw-la potes●…atem_fw-la à_fw-la christo_fw-la sed_fw-la à_fw-la magistratu_fw-la qui_fw-la &_o quidem_fw-la solus_fw-la eam_fw-la potestatem_fw-la immediatè_fw-la à_fw-la christo_fw-la acceperit_fw-la gubernationem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la assignabant_fw-la soli_fw-la magistratui_fw-la ab_fw-la ea_fw-la excludentes_fw-la ministros_fw-la nisi_fw-la in_o quantum_fw-la essent_fw-la vicarij_fw-la &_o instrumenta_fw-la seu_fw-la servi_fw-la magistratus_fw-la speciatim_fw-la electionem_fw-la ministrorum_fw-la seu_fw-la vocationem_fw-la item_n dopositionem_fw-la tribuebant_fw-la soli_fw-la magistra●…_n etc._n etc._n
contendebant_fw-la etiamad_a solum_fw-la magistratum_fw-la immediatè_fw-la sub_fw-la christo_fw-la pertine●…_n judicium_fw-la quando_fw-la controversiae_fw-la sidei_fw-la ●…rtae_fw-fr sunt_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la post_fw-la synodum_fw-la in_o confess_v &_o apol._n cap._n 25._o negant_fw-la eju●…_n jus_o aut_fw-la officium_fw-la esse_fw-la ad_fw-la decreta_fw-la synodica_fw-la ut_fw-la ut_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la conformia_fw-la sint_fw-la observanda_fw-la obligare_fw-la ●…omines_fw-la sua_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la &_o potestate_fw-la ulla_fw-la coactiva_fw-la uti_fw-la in_o ea_fw-la parte_fw-la negant_fw-la etiam_fw-la magistratum_fw-la ju●…_n habere_fw-la in_o privatos_fw-la conventus_fw-la sed_fw-la tantum_fw-la in_o exercitia_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o templis_fw-la seu_fw-la locis_fw-la publicis_fw-la ad_fw-la magistratum_fw-la pertinentibu●…_n instituuntur_fw-la nam_fw-la cum_fw-la rebus_fw-la sua_fw-la ita_fw-la consultum_fw-la putarent_fw-la aliter_fw-la statueba●…t_fw-la &_o contrarium_fw-la quam_fw-la admodum_fw-la alibi_fw-la a_o nobis_fw-la est_fw-la ostensum_fw-la robinson_n apolog._n cap._n 11._o de_fw-la magistratu_fw-la polit_fw-la idem_fw-la prorsus_fw-la sentimus_fw-la de_fw-la magistratu_fw-la et_fw-la illius_fw-la munere_fw-la quod_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la belgicae_fw-la &_o earum_fw-la consession●…_n hac_fw-la in_o re_fw-la ex_fw-la animo_fw-la suffragamur_fw-la burrough_n o●…_n hosea_n six_o lect._n pag._n 164_o 165_o 166._o ●_o ju●…us_fw-la lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr pontif._n cap._n 7_o not_o 2._o nos_fw-la ita_fw-la distinguamus_fw-la m●…gistratus_fw-la qua_fw-la magistratu●…_n est_fw-la humanae_fw-la societatis_fw-la caput_fw-la humana_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la qua_fw-la christianus_n vero_fw-la est_fw-la divinae_fw-la societatis_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la membrum_fw-la divina_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la &_o in_o eadem_fw-la custos_fw-la &_o vindex_fw-la ordinis_fw-la ut_fw-la membrum_fw-la electum_fw-la ipsius_fw-la &_o not_o 4._o see_v christiani_n s●…t_fw-la praestantia_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la membra_fw-la b_o voetius_fw-la disp._n de_fw-fr quaest_n penes_fw-la quos_fw-la sit_fw-la potestas_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la part_n prim_fw-la thes._n 4._o thes._n 5._o rejicimus_fw-la haec_fw-la nova_fw-la dictata_fw-la remonstranti●…_n cap._n 25._o apolog_fw-la quorum_fw-la prius_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la magistra●…ii_fw-la a●…_n decreta_fw-la synodica_fw-la ve●…_n dei_fw-la consor●…ia_fw-la observandum_fw-la sua_fw-la authoritate_fw-la obligare_fw-la &_o con_v stringere_fw-la stringere_fw-la apollo●…_n ju●…_n majest_n circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la par_fw-fr post_v cap_n 3_o exam_n qu._n 12._o statuimus_fw-la quo●…_n magistratus_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habeat_fw-la coactivam_fw-la qua_fw-la res_fw-la ecclesiasticas_fw-la ex_fw-la praescripto_fw-la verbi_fw-la dei_fw-la constitut_v as_o legitima_fw-la via_fw-la urget_fw-la &_o subdit_fw-la be_v imponit_fw-la ad_fw-la disciplinam_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la stabiliendam_fw-la &_o ecclesiasticum_fw-la tuendum_fw-la ordinem_fw-la ordinem_fw-la m._n s_o to_o a._n s._n p._n 55_o 5●…_n 57_o 58_o 59_o ●…0_n ●…0_n concedendum_fw-la publicum_fw-la ministerij_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ●…um_fw-la omnibus_fw-la sui●…_n circ●…mstantijs_fw-la politicis_fw-la &_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d consideratum_fw-la eat_v nus_fw-la magistratus_fw-la directioni_fw-la subjectum_fw-la esse_fw-la quod_fw-la absque_fw-la authoritate_fw-la ejus_fw-la approbativa_fw-la seu_fw-la confirmativa_fw-la seu_fw-la to●…erantiae_fw-la jurisdictione_n ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la publicè_fw-la in_o ejus_fw-la ditioneinstitui_fw-la &_o cum_fw-la a●…paratu_fw-la politico_fw-la executioni_fw-la mandari_fw-la non_fw-la possit_fw-la nisi_fw-la leges_fw-la reipublic●…_n junda_fw-la mentales_fw-la subditis_fw-la id_fw-la concedant_fw-la &_o tribuant_fw-la apollon_n jus_o majestatis_fw-la circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la par_fw-fr post_fw-la cap._n 3._o exam_n quaest_n d●…decimae_fw-la d●…decimae_fw-la rejicimus_fw-la haec_fw-la nova_fw-la dictata_fw-la remonstrantiam_fw-la magistratus_fw-la nullam_fw-la esse_fw-la potestate●…_n in_o priva●…s_n conven●…us_fw-la sed_fw-la ●…tum_fw-la in_o publica_fw-la tempta_fw-la voet._n disput_n penes_fw-la quos_fw-la sit_fw-la potest_fw-la as_o eccl._n thes._n 4._o 4._o de_fw-fr quest_n penes_fw-la quos_fw-la sit_fw-la potest_fw-la as_o ecclesiastica_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la wale_n tractde_fw-mi officio_fw-la ministrorum_fw-la &_o authoritate_fw-la atque_fw-la inspectione_n qua_fw-la magistratus_fw-la super_fw-la ministros_fw-la haber●…_n debet_fw-la debet_fw-la apollon_n sus_fw-la majestat●…_n circasacra_fw-la circasacra_fw-la altera_fw-la differentia_fw-la d_o wateria_fw-la sumitur_fw-la subjectoque_fw-la administrationum_fw-la politicae_fw-la administrationis_fw-la sub_fw-la jectum_fw-la esse_fw-la res_fw-la humanas_fw-la in_o des●…tione_fw-la nostra_fw-la posuimus_fw-la ecclesiasticae_fw-la divin●…_n esse_fw-la &_o sacras_fw-la docuimus_fw-la junius_n eccles._n l._n 3._o c._n 4._o habere_fw-la magistratum_fw-la qua_fw-la talem_fw-la publicam_fw-la potestatem_fw-la judicialem_fw-la seu_fw-la judicandi_fw-la judicio_fw-la cognitionis_fw-la non_fw-la tantum_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o decinitivo_fw-la de_fw-la negot_v ijs_fw-la &_o caufis_fw-la ecclesiasticis_fw-la quod_fw-la judici●…_n consequens_fw-la ●…st_fw-la non_fw-la antecedens_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la sunt_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o ecclesia_fw-la adhaec_fw-la praesuppositive_a est_fw-la theologicum_fw-la sed_fw-la formaliter_fw-la politicum_fw-la quia_fw-la disquisitio_fw-la ultimata_fw-la in_o eo_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la a_fw-fr hoc_fw-la sit_fw-la verum_fw-la sed_fw-la a_o velint_fw-la illud_fw-la publica_fw-la authoritate_fw-la tueri_fw-la &_o exequi_fw-la voet_fw-mi de_fw-fr quaest_n penes_fw-la quos_fw-la sit_fw-la potest_fw-la as_o eccl._n par_fw-fr 1._o thes_n 4._o apoll_n ●…us_a majest_n circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la cap._n a_o par_fw-fr post_fw-la pag._n 63_o 64_o 65_o 6●…_n 67_o 68_o apollon_n ●…s_n majest_n circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la cap._n 2._o examen_fw-la quaestionis_fw-la septimae_fw-la septimae_fw-la no_o &_o remedium_fw-la extre●…um_fw-la atque_fw-la acer●…mum_fw-la est_fw-la ad_fw-la carnem_fw-la in_o homine_fw-la domandam_fw-la ac_fw-la spiritum_fw-la vivisicandum_fw-la &_o exemplum_fw-la efficacissimum_fw-la ne_fw-la pars_fw-la sincera_fw-la ●…rabatur_fw-la adversus_fw-la ver●…_n eas_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o contunacia_fw-la &_o imp●…itentia_fw-la perseverant_a medium_n unicum_fw-la ad_fw-la dei_fw-la domum_fw-la fermento_fw-la &_o ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la scandalia_fw-la liberandam_fw-la atque_fw-la adeo_fw-la verbum_fw-la &_o sacramenta_fw-la a_o pro_fw-la pbanatione_fw-la &_o nomen_fw-la dei_fw-la ab_fw-la externorum_fw-la blasphematione_fw-la vindicandum_fw-la synop_n punor_n theol._n disput._n 48._o de_fw-fr eccl._n discipl_n thes_n 59_o 59_o illa_fw-la vero_fw-la quae_fw-la a_o spiritual_a christi_fw-la regno_fw-la aliena_fw-la sunt_fw-la effectus_fw-la qui_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la coeleste_fw-la christi_fw-la regnil_n pertinent_a producere_fw-la nequeunt_fw-la proinde_fw-la quod_fw-la institutione_n divina_fw-la ad_fw-la eos_fw-la producendos_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la sanctificata_fw-la disciplina_fw-la 〈◊〉_d c._n clesiastica_fw-la nihil_fw-la statuit_fw-la in_o hominum_fw-la bona_fw-la jura_fw-la dignitates_fw-la fortunas_fw-la etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la paena_fw-la quae_fw-la clavium_fw-la potestate_fw-la in●…gitur_fw-la spiritualis_fw-la &_o qu●…_n hominem_fw-la internum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritualem_fw-la ejus_fw-la slatum_fw-la concernit_fw-la at_o veroextra_fw-la speram_fw-la activitatis_fw-la politici_fw-la magistratus_fw-la est_fw-la internum_fw-la hominem_fw-la subiger_n spiritutiem_fw-la poenam_fw-la conscient_fw-la ijs_fw-la infer_v vel_fw-la hominii_fw-la animas_fw-la ab_fw-la ijs_fw-la liberare_fw-la apoll._n ●…us_a majes●…_n circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la cap._n a._n exam_n quest_n 7._o pag._n 10●…_n 10●…_n zanch._n the_o discipl_n eccl._n ad_fw-la b●…c_fw-la multa_fw-la etiam_fw-la sunt_fw-la scelera_fw-la in_o quae_fw-la ne_fw-la magistratus_fw-la quidem_fw-la christianus_n animadvertere_fw-la so_o let_v aut_fw-la tenetur_fw-la ex_fw-la legibus_fw-la suis_fw-la u●…uti_fw-la sunt_fw-la privatae_fw-la in_o ●…tiae_fw-la simultay_v participatio_fw-la ●…um_fw-la idalolatris_fw-la in_o aliquo_fw-la impio_fw-la cultu_fw-la dissimulatio_fw-la verae_fw-la religionis_fw-la deni●…_n multi_fw-la ma●…_n mores_fw-la tum_fw-la domestic_a tum_fw-la public_a qui_fw-la non_fw-la turban_n aut_fw-la pac●…m_fw-la publicam_fw-la aut_fw-la honestatem_fw-la &_o commodum_fw-la publicum●…_n ec●…lesia_n vero_fw-la ne_fw-la ●…sta_fw-la quidem_fw-la far_o debet_fw-la sed_fw-la corrigere_fw-la juxta_fw-la christi_fw-la iusti●…tum_fw-la zanch._n the_o discip_n ecclesiast_n ecclesiast_n illi_fw-la certè_fw-la nullo_n modosinendi_fw-la sunt_fw-la vivere_fw-la cii_o illorum_fw-la temporali●…_n vita_fw-la alijs_fw-la 〈◊〉_d aeterna_fw-la mors_fw-la za●…ch_o de_fw-fr magistr_n 168._o beza_n epist._n 83._o zanch_n de_fw-fr eccl._n 〈◊〉_d gubern_n p_o 552._o 〈◊〉_d quar_fw-la precept_n 713._o rotterdam_n septemb_n 4_o t●_n 1641._o new_a stile_n apolog._n apolog_fw-la apolog_fw-la peter_n martyr_n loc_n commun_n class_n 4_o cap._n 14._o de_fw-la exilio_fw-la groe●…_n etiam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o fugiendo_fw-la exilium_fw-la vocarent_fw-la reformat_fw-la of_o church-government_n reformat_fw-la of_o church_n gover_v pag._n 14._o 14._o bez._n epist._n ●…8_n ●…8_n bez._n epist._n 83_o apolog._n catal_a heretic_n schlusselb_n lib._n decimus_fw-la de_fw-fr sect_n a_o stenck_n ●…elp_v ●…elp_v independence_n of_o particular_a congregation_n plead_v for_o pag._n 100_o 101_o 102_o 103_o 103_o every_o particular_a congregation_n be_v a_o absolute_a church_n have_v no_o jurisdiction_n over_o it_o but_o christ_n alone_a and_o that_o immediate_o page_n 52_o 59_o 59_o mr._n herle_n the_o independency_n on_o scripture_n of_o the_o independency_n of_o church_n h_o rise_n growth_n and_o danger_n of_o socinianism_n page_n 65_o 66._o reason_n against_o independent_a government_n pag._n 19_o 19_o a_o brief_a narration_n of_o some_o church_n course_v hold_v in_o opinion_n and_o practice_n in_o new-england_n by_o w._n r._n m._n cotton_v letter_n from_o out_o of_o england_n to_o m._n skelton_n in_o new-england_n ans._n to_o 32_o question_n p._n 82._o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n epist._n to_o the_o reader_n reader_n schlusselb_n de_fw-fr