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yourselves_o give_v this_o way_n you_o indeed_o aught_o to_o have_v a_o judge_n assign_v for_o you_o and_o more_o than_o one._n you_o shall_v have_v one_o judge_n assign_v who_o constant_a business_n it_o shall_v be_v to_o determine_v the_o true_a interpretation_n of_o all_o other_o scripture_n but_o those_o that_o speak_v of_o he_o to_o keep_v you_o from_o wrangle_v about_o they_o and_o you_o will_v need_v another_o extraordinary_a judge_n to_o assign_v the_o ordinary_a judge_n from_o those_o text_n that_o mention_v he_o and_o a_o three_o to_o assign_v the_o second_o and_o so_o on_o till_o you_o come_v to_o a_o judge_n for_o who_o credit_n you_o must_v take_v his_o own_o word_n that_o you_o may_v not_o wrangle_v about_o a_o judge_n to_o all_o eternity_n sect._n 6_o quer._n to_o these_o query_n i_o have_v often_o desire_v a_o answer_n but_o never_o yet_o meet_v with_o any_o answ_n why_o that_o be_v hard_o indeed_o but_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o these_o query_n though_o they_o 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see_v how_o this_o answer_n destroy_v it_o for_o if_o those_o who_o you_o call_v roman_n catholic_n bishop_n can_v give_v good_a order_n than_o be_v the_o order_n of_o cranmer_n and_o his_o associate_n good_a it_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o that_o they_o have_v their_o order_n from_o bishop_n and_o as_o we_o contend_v that_o their_o order_n be_v never_o the_o better_a so_o we_o willing_o grant_v that_o they_o be_v never_o the_o worse_o for_o be_v confer_v by_o those_o who_o you_o must_v needs_o style_n roman_n catholic_n bishop_n well_o but_o you_o say_v if_o we_o pretend_v to_o derive_v our_o holy_a order_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o roman_n catholic_n bishop_n it_o follow_v inevitable_o that_o these_o also_o do_v receive_v their_o order_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n so_o that_o though_o our_o order_n be_v never_o the_o worse_o from_o come_v through_o their_o hand_n yet_o the_o roman_n catholic_n bishop_n themselves_o be_v in_o a_o better_a 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it_o if_o ever_o it_o shall_v come_v into_o your_o head_n to_o query_n again_o not_o to_o have_v hear_v you_o have_v be_v unreasonable_a i_o confess_v and_o this_o whether_o your_o bishop_n be_v true_a or_o not_o but_o we_o have_v hear_v they_o over_o and_o over_o and_o this_o although_o they_o have_v say_v the_o same_o thing_n over_o and_o over_o again_o you_o may_v also_o perceive_v that_o i_o have_v read_v which_o may_v serve_v instead_o of_o hear_v yourself_o too_o who_o i_o fancy_n to_o be_v no_o bishop_n and_o this_o i_o assure_v you_o not_o without_o some_o trial_n of_o my_o own_o patience_n to_o read_v such_o ramble_a and_o unedifying_a thing_n as_o you_o have_v here_o bring_v together_o sect._n 8_o quer._n but_o you_o will_v say_v perhaps_o that_o roman_n catholic_n bishop_n do_v receive_v their_o order_n not_o their_o doctrine_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n very_o good_a i_o will_v fain_o know_v then_o by_o who_o authority_n the_o first_o reformer_n rise_v up_o against_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n untie_v this_o knot_n or_o confess_v that_o cranmer_n luther_n calvin_n socinis_n etc._n etc._n make_v themselves_o judge_n witness_n and_o accuser_n answ_n here_o again_o we_o be_v at_o a_o loss_n for_o want_n of_o your_o private_a logic_n for_o why_o judge_n witness_n and_o accuser_n shall_v come_v in_o here_o no_o man_n alive_a it_o may_v be_v know_v but_o yourself_o and_o perhaps_o not_o you_o neither_o to_o so_o much_o as_o i_o understand_v i_o be_o content_a to_o answer_v true_a bishop_n than_o may_v preach_v false_a doctrine_n and_o against_o your_o bishop_n we_o have_v terrible_a evidence_n that_o those_o doctrine_n of_o they_o which_o we_o reject_v be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v receive_v from_o christ_n that_o many_o of_o they_o be_v contrary_a to_o what_o we_o have_v receive_v from_o he_o now_o every_o christian_a not_o only_o may_v but_o aught_o to_o reject_v such_o doctrine_n and_o that_o by_o the_o same_o authority_n which_o require_v every_o one_o to_o prove_v all_o thing_n and_o to_o hold_v fast_o that_o which_o be_v good_a and_o much_o more_o may_v bishop_n and_o other_o spiritual_a guide_v rise_v up_o against_o they_o nay_o by_o their_o order_n and_o station_n in_o the_o church_n they_o have_v not_o only_a authority_n so_o to_o do_v but_o it_o will_v be_v severe_o require_v of_o they_o if_o they_o do_v it_o not_o i_o know_v not_o what_o ail_v you_o to_o tie_v a_o invisible_a knot_n and_o then_o to_o bid_v we_o untie_v it_o as_o for_o socinus_n we_o be_v no_o more_o bind_v to_o answer_n for_o his_o or_o any_o other_o man_n error_n because_o he_o hold_v many_o truth_n with_o we_o against_o you_o than_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o answer_v for_o you_o because_o we_o hold_v some_o truth_n with_o you_o
the_o character_n of_o a_o good_a man_n whether_o they_o have_v the_o same_o spirit_n of_o sincerity_n and_o piety_n and_o charity_n and_o the_o like_a then_o according_a to_o this_o notion_n i_o answer_v that_o i_o very_o believe_v they_o bid_v both_o the_o same_o spirit_n notwithstanding_o that_o difference_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o of_o the_o other_o be_v of_o god._n three_o and_o last_o this_o word_n spirit_n be_v sometime_o use_v to_o signify_v a_o persuasion_n concern_v some_o doctrine_n proceed_v from_o the_o immediate_a inspiration_n whether_o of_o the_o good_a or_o the_o evil_a spirit_n and_o if_o the_o question_n go_v upon_o this_o meaning_n it_o be_v a_o impertinent_a question_n for_o luther_n and_o calvin_n do_v not_o pretend_v to_o teach_v doctrine_n from_o immediate_a imspiration_n but_o to_o prove_v their_o doctrine_n by_o the_o scripture_n but_o if_o you_o only_o mean_v to_o make_v some_o advantage_n to_o yourself_o 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spirit_n of_o our_o english_a representer_n and_o those_o for_o who_o he_o undertake_v who_o all_o deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n if_o not_o than_o both_o can_v be_v of_o god._n sect._n 22_o quer._n be_v not_o john_n calvin_n a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n in_o assume_v to_o himself_o the_o office_n of_o reform_v the_o world_n be_v but_o a_o young_a man_n of_o twenty_o five_o or_o twenty_o six_o year_n of_o age_n and_o without_o all_o pretence_n of_o miracle_n a_o thing_n which_o christ_n himself_o undertake_v not_o under_o thirty_o year_n of_o age_n answ_n i_o think_v indeed_o geneva_n may_v pass_v for_o the_o world_n by_o the_o same_o figure_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n go_v for_o the_o catholic_n church_n when_o the_o world_n groan_v for_o a_o reformation_n i_o do_v not_o see_v where_o lie_v the_o impudence_n of_o try_v by_o good_a doctrine_n and_o example_n to_o reform_v that_o part_n of_o it_o where_o one_o life_n unless_o it_o lie_v in_o be_v impudent_o and_o brave_o good_a which_o be_v sometime_o necessary_a to_o give_v a_o check_n to_o impudence_n in_o that_o which_o be_v bad._n if_o he_o be_v a_o young_a man_n that_o take_v this_o upon_o himself_o he_o be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v commend_v and_o if_o he_o can_v fair_o carry_v the_o reformation_n beyond_o his_o own_o country_n this_o be_v still_o more_o commendable_a and_o if_o he_o can_v reform_v the_o whole_a world_n than_o i_o say_v for_o that_o which_o you_o call_v impudence_n generation_n to_o come_v aught_o to_o rise_v up_o to_o his_o name_n and_o call_v it_o bless_v you_o ought_v not_o i_o tell_v you_o to_o despise_v john_n calvin_n youth_n as_o one_o of_o your_o great_a one_o do_v luther_n meanness_n who_o hear_v the_o auspurg_n confession_n read_v say_v to_o his_o confident_a that_o these_o thing_n indeed_o be_v true_a but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v endure_v that_o a_o pitiful_a monk_n shall_v reform_v the_o world._n but_o if_o nothing_o else_o will_v satisfy_v you_o but_o it_o must_v be_v impudence_n in_o a_o young_a man_n to_o think_v of_o reform_v the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v yet_o at_o least_o do_v not_o represent_v he_o as_o a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n for_o as_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o long_a row_n of_o pope_n from_o formosus_fw-la downward_o who_o if_o your_o own_o historian_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v shall_v compare_v with_o john_n calvin_n in_o this_o point_n not_o of_o reform_v the_o world_n but_o the_o other_o and_o shall_v get_v the_o better_a of_o he_o by_o much_o and_o among_o these_o there_o be_v one_o john_n xi_o son_n to_o sergius_n iii_o one_o of_o his_o predecessor_n who_o be_v something_o less_o modest_a than_o john_n calvin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o be_v yet_o but_o a_o boy_n he_o take_v upon_o himself_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o our_o john_n i_o dare_v say_v will_v never_o have_v accept_v any_o time_n of_o his_o life_n indeed_o the_o young_a pope_n be_v thus_o far_o to_o be_v excuse_v that_o he_o be_v put_v into_o the_o chair_n by_o merocia_n who_o though_o she_o be_v not_o sergius_n wife_n be_v yet_o john_n mother_n for_o donna_n olympia_n be_v not_o the_o first_o of_o her_o quality_n that_o sway_v all_o at_o rome_n sect._n 23_o quer._n whether_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n have_v not_o issue_v all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n tumult_n plunder_v of_o church_n schism_n and_o civil_a war_n which_o break_v out_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o answ_n no_o true_o for_o since_o the_o reformation_n the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v lend_v neither_o principle_n nor_o example_n nor_o counsel_n nor_o arm_n nor_o man_n nor_o money_n to_o carry_v on_o rebellion_n or_o rapine_n the_o world_n see_v that_o she_o stick_v by_o her_o royal_a master_n to_o to_o the_o last_o and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v her_o interest_n to_o do_v so_o then_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o she_o have_v at_o other_o time_n give_v proof_n of_o a_o high_a principle_n nor_o can_v you_o without_o rub_v your_o forehead_n question_v the_o strictness_n of_o her_o loyalty_n who_o begin_v some_o of_o you_o to_o laugh_v at_o she_o for_o it_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o irish_a rebellion_n which_o break_v the_o ice_n for_o all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o mention_v to_o come_v after_o it_o that_o that_o issue_v too_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n i_o think_v this_o query_n have_v better_a rest_n lest_o when_o the_o mother_n of_o that_o offspring_n be_v agree_v upon_o we_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o inquire_v who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o it_o sect._n 24_o quer._n whether_o africa_n produce_v more_o variety_n of_o monster_n than_o britain_n do_v fanatic_n where_o every_o man_n may_v read_v and_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o his_o own_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n answ_n i_o know_v pretty_a well_o what_o fanatic_n britain_n have_v produce_v but_o what_o variety_n of_o monster_n africa_n produce_v i_o can_v well_o say_v the_o sure_a way_n to_o be_v satisfy_v be_v to_o go_v thither_o yourself_o for_o author_n be_v not_o agree_v but_o if_o by_o fanatic_n you_o mean_v false_a pretender_n to_o inspiration_n you_o may_v take_v your_o comparison_n near_a home_n where_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n life_n be_v worth_a to_o have_v the_o scripture_n to_o read_v in_o short_a britain_n have_v fanatic_n but_o the_o british_a church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o reclaim_v they_o which_o she_o think_v aught_o nor_o to_o be_v try_v by_o set_v up_o a_o inquisition_n for_o some_o of_o they_o and_o can_v be_v do_v by_o make_v saint_n of_o other_o of_o of_o they_o you_o understand_v i_o suppose_v and_o therefore_o go_v on_o sect._n 25_o quer._n whether_o queen_n elizabeth_n bear_v of_o ann_n bolen_n queen_n catharine_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a answ_n without_o all_o question_n she_o can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a for_o i_o find_v that_o i_o think_v so_o and_o i_o know_v many_o who_o say_v so_o that_o do_v not_o use_v to_o say_v one_o thing_n and_o think_v another_o sect._n 26_o quer._n how_o admirable_a be_v the_o wisdom_n of_o henry_n the_o eight_o by_o expel_v one_o pope_n of_o rome_n to_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n answ_n not_o very_o admirable_a i_o confess_v if_o it_o be_v so_o for_o we_o have_v even_o too_o much_o of_o one_o pope_n of_o rome_n before_o as_o the_o complaint_n and_o the_o law_n of_o our_o ancestor_n can_v well_o witness_v but_o how_o do_v he_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n be_v there_o so_o many_o head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n raise_v by_o he_o in_o his_o own_o dominion_n or_o do_v every_o
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sect._n 32_o quer._n you_o will_v say_v the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v so_o far_o as_o we_o may_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o kingdom_n be_v it_o so_o than_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o king_n be_v not_o supreme_a governor_n under_o christ_n but_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o kingdom_n answ_n to_o this_o silly_a stuff_n i_o oppose_v a_o little_a plain_a sense_n that_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n be_v not_o to_o be_v oppose_v to_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o king_n who_o law_n they_o be_v that_o the_o king_n be_v our_o supreme_a governor_n under_o god_n but_o that_o we_o know_v of_o no_o supreme_a governor_n that_o be_v to_o be_v obey_v absolute_o without_o any_o limitation_n whatsoever_o but_o god_n himself_o sect._n 33_o quer._n what_o if_o controversy_n rise_v between_o the_o king_n and_o his_o subject_n about_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n who_o shall_v be_v judge_n the_o private_a spirit_n or_o not_o hence_o if_o be_o not_o mistake_v come_v the_o 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imprimatur_fw-la libre_fw-la cvi_fw-la titulus_fw-la several_a captious_a query_n etc._n etc._n guil._n needham_n may_v 10._o 1688._o several_a captious_a query_n concern_v the_o english_a reformation_n first_o propose_v by_o dean_n manby_n a_o irish_a convert_n in_o latin_n and_o afterward_o by_o t.w._n in_o english_a brief_o and_o full_o answer_v by_o the_o late_a reverend_n and_o learned_a dr._n clagett_n preacher_n to_o the_o honourable_a society_n of_o grays-inn_n and_o chaplain_n in_o ordinary_a to_o his_o majesty_n london_n print_v by_o h._n clark_n for_o james_n adamson_n at_o the_o angel_n and_o crown_n in_o st._n paul_n churchyard_n mdclxxxviii_o a_o answer_n to_o t._n w_n query_n sect._n 1_o quer._n the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v either_o the_o whole_a catholic_n church_n or_o a_o member_n thereof_o if_o a_o member_n only_o name_v i_o that_o church_n or_o congregation_n under_o the_o sun_n who_o sacrament_n and_o liturgy_n she_o embrace_v unless_o she_o have_v cut_v herself_o off_o form_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n answ_n if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v spread_v over_o the_o face_n of_o the_o whole_a earth_n except_v here_o in_o england_n and_o nothing_o will_v serve_v but_o we_o or_o they_o must_v be_v the_o catholic_n church_n reason_n will_v require_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v be_v so_o which_o be_v the_o better_a and_o not_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o will_v be_v but_o the_o big_a church_n but_o we_o pretend_v not_o to_o be_v the_o catholic_n church_n because_o we_o neither_o need_v nor_o aught_o to_o boast_v beyond_o truth_n the_o sacrament_n we_o embrace_v be_v receive_v by_o all_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o world_n and_o no_o church_n ought_v to_o receive_v any_o more_o we_o embrace_v the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o other_o reform_a church_n and_o use_v our_o own_o as_o they_o use_v their_o own_o and_o embrace_v we_o we_o embrace_v all_o that_o honest_a christian_o can_v embrace_v in_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o unreformed_a and_o we_o reject_v the_o rest_n we_o have_v not_o cut_v ourselves_o off_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v do_v so_o because_o she_o be_v resolve_v to_o be_v all_o or_o nothing_o sect._n 2_o quer._n do_v she_o allow_v the_o sacrament_n of_o lutheran_n or_o calvinist_n answ_n she_o allow_v and_o administer_v the_o same_o sacrament_n that_o lutheran_n and_o calvinist_n do_v not_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n celebrate_v by_o they_o or_o by_o any_o other_o but_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n institute_v by_o christ._n sect._n 3_o quer._n from_o whence_o be_v cranmer_n that_o first_o patriarch_n or_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n send_v who_o give_v he_o authority_n to_o preach_v his_o reform_a gospel_n be_v it_o just_a or_o honest_a for_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o virtue_n of_o a_o commission_n from_o she_o receive_v and_o if_o so_o i_o pray_v inform_v i_o whether_o a_o bishop_n or_o minister_n fall_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v not_o also_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o pretence_n of_o the_o order_n receive_v from_o her_o hand_n answ_n cranmer_z be_v immediate_o send_v by_o the_o bishop_n that_o ordain_v and_o consecrate_a he_o original_o by_o christ_n who_o leave_v that_o power_n in_o the_o church_n by_o which_o they_o do_v so_o so_o far_o therefore_o as_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n he_o do_v what_o become_v his_o mission_n better_a than_o if_o he_o have_v go_v on_o to_o maintain_v false_a doctrine_n as_o the_o patriarch_n of_o rome_n do_v that_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n be_v not_o his_o fault_n but_o they_o who_o go_v before_o he_o in_o that_o great_a station_n and_o shall_v have_v do_v the_o same_o thing_n but_o do_v it_o not_o the_o gospel_n which_o he_o preach_v be_v not_o the_o gospel_n of_o man_n and_o therefore_o 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her_o enemy_n unless_o he_o become_v so_o by_o tell_v she_o the_o truth_n nor_o be_v it_o true_a that_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n from_o rome_n though_o he_o receive_v it_o by_o the_o hand_n of_o bishop_n that_o be_v in_o servitude_n to_o that_o see_v for_o his_o commission_n have_v be_v every_o whit_n as_o good_a if_o they_o have_v not_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o roman_a bishop_n as_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v but_o since_o his_o obligation_n to_o christ_n from_o who_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n by_o their_o hand_n be_v infinite_o great_a than_o to_o they_o it_o be_v just_a and_o honest_a in_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o those_o unchristian_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n which_o they_o maintain_v and_o no_o less_o justifiable_a than_o to_o have_v rise_v up_o against_o the_o arian_n heresy_n if_o he_o have_v receive_v his_o order_n from_o arian_n bishop_n and_o if_o ever_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v fall_v into_o the_o like_a corruption_n again_o which_o god_n forbid_v those_o bishop_n and_o minister_n that_o have_v receive_v order_n from_o her_o hand_n and_o who_o in_o discharge_n thereof_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o preach_v not_o against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o against_o the_o wicked_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n those_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n i_o say_v will_v do_v not_o only_o what_o they_o may_v but_o what_o they_o ought_v to_o do_v and_o for_o the_o do_v of_o which_o they_o shall_v be_v reward_v at_o the_o last_o day_n by_o the_o great_a bishop_n and_o shepherd_n of_o soul_n by_o who_o authority_n and_o command_n they_o so_o do_v sect._n 4_o quer._n whether_o want_n of_o mission_n be_v not_o a_o error_n in_o the_o foundation_n of_o any_o church_n it_o be_v theft_n and_o robbery_n as_o our_o saviour_n have_v teach_v we_o not_o to_o enter_v by_o the_o door_n into_o the_o sheepfold_n answ_n that_o cranmer_n do_v or_o that_o our_o pastor_n now_o do_v want_n mission_n be_v falsehood_n 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