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A92172 A briefe narration of some church courses held in opinion and practise in the churches lately erected in New England. Collected out of sundry of their own printed papers and manuscripts with other good intelligences. Together with some short hints (given by the way) of their correspondence with the like tenents and practises of the separatists churches. And some short animadversions upon some principall passages for the benefit of the vulgar reader. Presented to publike view for the good of the church of God by W. R. Rathband, William, d. 1695. 1644 (1644) Wing R298; Thomason E36_11; ESTC R21802 84,830 61

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person_n proceed_v to_o enter_v into_o church-covenant_n which_o be_v write_v one_o of_o they_o read_v and_o all_o of_o they_o subscribe_v it_o and_o so_o they_o be_v become_v a_o true_a hatch_v true_a if_o so_o much_o time_n and_o so_o many_o encumstance_n be_v needful_a to_o join_v 7._o or_o 8._o together_o into_o one_o church_n how_o much_o time_n will_v be_v requisite_a to_o join_v 3000._o together_o but_o our_o brethren_n will_v acknowledge_v the_o apostle_n go_v a_o short_a way_n to_o work_v discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 29_o 30._o the_o reason_n whereof_o they_o render_v because_o the_o church_n be_v not_o then_o subject_a to_o so_o many_o hypocrite_n which_o be_v more_o than_o any_o man_n know_v when_o christ_n say_v many_o be_v call_v few_o choose_v many_o seek_v but_o few_o sinde_n beside_o this_o course_n be_v use_v by_o our_o brethren_n not_o to_o ordinary_a christian_n only_o but_o to_o the_o most_o godly_a and_o best_a approve_v i_o believe_v therefore_o it_o be_v rather_o 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settle_v upon_o the_o ministry_n but_o our_o brethren_n have_v here_o divide_v they_o and_o make_v preach_v common_a to_o the_o people_n and_o though_o our_o brethren_n intend_v not_o so_o yet_o in_o event_n possible_o this_o may_v nourish_v in_o the_o vulgar_a some_o fragment_n of_o popery_n as_o if_o the_o sacrament_n be_v more_o excellent_a than_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n they_o be_v reserve_v as_o peculiar_a to_o the_o minister_n this_o common_a to_o other_o with_o they_o power_n from_o christ_n as_o the_o first_o and_o proper_a receptacle_n thereof_o have_v the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n commit_v to_o they_o and_o may_v now_o forthwith_o administer_v and_o partake_v of_o all_o church-ordinance_n except_o only_a sacrament_n execute_v all_o church-censure_n and_o transact_v all_o their_o own_o business_n within_o themselves_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 10._o 41_o 44_o 48_o 49_o 50._o cott._n cat_n p._n 10._o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 4._o ‑_o j._n w._n ans_fw-fr to_o 10._o quest_n see_v rob._n justif_a p._n 106_o 107_o 112_o 121_o 122_o 125_o 126_o 127_o 138_o 190_o 113_o 167_o 184_o 198_o 331._o zion_n royal_a prerog_n preface_n barr._n discov_n p._n 39_o 2._o the_o particular_a sort_n of_o which_o church_n business_n be_v these_o 1._o admission_n of_o more_o member_n into_o their_o society_n 2._o authoritative_a admonition_n of_o member_n offend_v 3._o bind_v and_o excommunicate_v of_o such_o as_o have_v offend_v prove_v incorrigible_a 4._o loose_v and_o authoritative_a forgive_a such_o as_o upon_o admonition_n and_o excommunication_n do_v repent_v re-accepting_a they_o into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n again_o 5._o r._n 5._o how_o weak_a good_a people_n be_v and_o insufficient_a without_o their_o guide_n assistance_n to_o examine_v minister_n ability_n to_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n and_o other_o matter_n touch_v person_n and_o thing_n needful_a to_o the_o exercise_n of_o church-government_n 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if_o they_o have_v any_o yet_o without_o reference_n to_o they_o as_o officer_n at_o all_o 9_o and_o when_o they_o have_v minister_n than_o they_o have_v sacrament_n too_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 10_o 15_o 41_o 42_o 44_o 45_o 48_o 49_o 50_o 68_o cott._n cat_n p._n 10_o 11_o 12._o dis-course_n of_o cou._n p._n 23._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 62_o 70_o 76_o 77._o j._n w._n ans_fw-fr to_o 10._o quest_n r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 4._o ‑_o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n apol._n p._n 24._o rob._n justif_a p._n 9_o 111._o 3._o all_o which_o thing_n they_o claim_v to_o themselves_o power_n to_o do_v without_o any_o church_n any_o when_o officer_n be_v not_o yet_o settle_v in_o any_o church_n or_o be_v once_o settle_v do_v fail_v through_o casualty_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o on_o all_o hand_n that_o some_o extraordinary_a course_n be_v to_o be_v take_v let_v it_o therefore_o be_v consider_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o more_o proper_a and_o near_o to_o the_o ordinary_a rule_n to_o 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