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A78005 A vindication of Mr Burroughes, against Mr Edwards his foule aspersions, in his spreading Gangræna, and his angry Antiapologia. Concluding with a briefe declaration what the Independents would have. / By Jer: Burroughes. Burroughs, Jeremiah, 1599-1646. 1646 (1646) Wing B6126; Thomason E345_14; ESTC R200993 27,250 36

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