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he_o speak_v it_o out_o of_o assurance_n of_o or_o with_o reference_n unto_o some_o promise_n or_o compact_n betwixt_o they_o make_v as_o in_o the_o case_n of_o cyprian_a and_o cornelius_n last_o hierome_n be_v persuade_v she_o do_v remember_v he_o already_o remembrance_n upon_o ground_n of_o her_o kind_a remembrance_n and_o so_o it_o be_v no_o prayer_n by_o direction_n for_o so_o elsewhere_o we_o find_v it_o concern_v blesilla_n loquor_fw-la illa_fw-la &_o alia_fw-la multa_fw-la quae_fw-la taceo_fw-la &_o pro_fw-la te_fw-la dominum_fw-la rogat_fw-la mihique_fw-la ut_fw-la de_fw-la eius_fw-la ment_fw-la securus_fw-la sum_fw-la veniam_fw-la impetrat_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la maxâ—imus_fw-la of_o turin_n by_o the_o like_a address_n conclude_v his_o panegyricall_a sermon_n upon_o saint_n agnes_n agnes_n the_o like_a address_n maximus_n of_o t._n have_v unto_o s_n agnes_n itaque_fw-la o_fw-la splendida_fw-la christo_fw-la pulchra_fw-la dei_fw-la filio_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la angelis_n 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