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false_a as_o do_v not_o preserve_v all_o christian_a communion_n with_o the_o saint_n nor_o join_v with_o they_o in_o all_o duty_n of_o worship_n so_o far_o as_o they_o be_v able_a shall_v not_o have_v the_o benefit_n of_o this_o indulgence_n and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o these_o word_n so_o far_o as_o they_o be_v able_a may_v not_o stand_v for_o a_o mere_a cypher_n and_o signify_v nothing_o let_v each_o man_n particular_o declare_v in_o what_o ordinance_n he_o be_v able_a to_o join_v that_o so_o all_o total_a separation_n may_v be_v prevent_v p._n 70._o indep_n though_o we_o shall_v not_o join_v with_o we_o will_v not_o condemn_v your_o church_n as_o false_a and_o this_o no_o rigid_a separation_n p._n 71._o presb._n the_o condemn_v our_o church_n as_o false_a do_v little_o extenuate_v the_o separation_n for_o divers_a of_o the_o brownist_n who_o have_v total_o separate_v in_o former_a time_n have_v not_o condemn_v these_o church_n as_o false_a though_o you_o do_v not_o pronounce_v a_o 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to_o separate_v and_o break_v it_o we_o think_v charity_n bind_v christian_n to_o prevent_v all_o unjust_a and_o needless_a separation_n we_o wonder_v at_o your_o charity_n that_o come_v so_o near_o we_o in_o doctrine_n and_o worship_n nothing_o shall_v content_v you_o but_o a_o separation_n p._n 105_o 106._o indep_n we_o can_v in_o conscience_n set_v down_o where_o we_o can_v enjoy_v all_o the_o ordinance_n p._n 122._o presb._n 1._o have_v you_o all_o the_o ordinance_n in_o your_o own_o church_n 2._o do_v you_o not_o hold_v rule_v elder_n to_o be_v a_o ordinance_n have_v you_o these_o or_o be_v your_o church_n without_o some_o one_o ordinance_n and_o not_o we_o 3._o to_o determine_v controversy_n of_o faith_n &_o case_n of_o conscience_n judicial_o be_v a_o ordinance_n if_o you_o must_v be_v of_o no_o church_n but_o where_o that_o be_v exercise_v and_o the_o liberty_n of_o opinion_n restrain_v your_o church_n will_v be_v soon_o destroy_v and_o you_o will_v find_v it_o we_o believe_v 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50_o 51._o presb._n we_o conceive_v the_o ground_n of_o your_o separation_n from_o â—ne_a church_n and_o gather_a oâ—hers_n to_o this_o end_n that_o you_o may_v â—e_v preserve_v from_o sin_v â—gainst_a your_o conscience_n and_o â—or_a the_o pure_a enjoyment_n of_o ordinance_n may_v to_o man_n of_o other_o â—udgments_n be_v a_o ground_n to_o crave_v toleration_n for_o separate_v from_o church_n which_o be_v pure_a and_o â—athering_v impure_a and_o corrupt_a church_n out_o of_o they_o p._n 50._o it_o be_v never_o the_o meaning_n of_o â—he_n assembly_n to_o leave_v the_o judgement_n of_o pure_a or_o impure_a ordinance_n to_o this_o case_n unto_o the_o alone_a discretion_n of_o a_o particular_a person_n but_o before_o any_o leave_n 〈◊〉_d parochial_a congregation_n ordinary_o he_o ought_v to_o declare_v the_o cause_n of_o his_o grievance_n that_o if_o it_o may_v be_v his_o removal_n may_v be_v prevent_v except_o he_o think_v fit_a to_o change_v his_o dwell_n in_o which_o case_n his_o 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