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A69535 The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.; Commission for the Review and Alteration of the Book of Common Prayer. 1661 (1661) Wing B1278A; Wing E3841; ESTC R7198 132,164 165

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readiness_n to_o hear_v or_o read_v any_o thing_n that_o you_o have_v to_o say_v in_o order_n to_o their_o satisfaction_n sect._n 15._o the_o posture_n of_o kneel_v best_a suit_n at_o the_o communion_n as_o the_o most_o convenient_a and_o so_o most_o decent_a for_o we_o when_o we_o be_v to_o receive_v as_o it_o be_v from_o god_n hand_n the_o great_a of_o seal_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n he_o that_o think_v he_o may_v do_v this_o sit_v let_v he_o remember_v the_o prophet_n mal._n offer_v this_o to_o thy_o prince_n to_o receive_v his_o seal_n from_o his_o own_o hand_n sit_v see_v if_o he_o will_v accept_v of_o it_o when_o the_o church_n do_v stand_v at_o her_o prayer_n the_o manner_n of_o receive_v be_v more_o adorantiun_n s._n aug._n psal_n 98._o cyril_n catech._n mystag_n 5._o rahter_n more_o than_o at_o prayer_n since_o stand_v at_o prayer_n have_v be_v general_o leave_v and_o kneel_v use_v instead_o of_o that_o as_o the_o church_n may_v vary_v in_o such_o indifferent_a 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the_o church_n that_o change_v or_o may_v change_v these_o a_o council_n or_o a_o popular_a custom_n bring_v we_o not_o under_o a_o foreign_a power_n 5_o the_o thing_n then_o be_v so_o indifferent_a and_o changeable_a you_o may_v change_v it_o if_o you_o please_v for_o end_n that_o be_v not_o indifferent_a 6_o and_o if_o now_o the_o minister_n may_v pray_v stand_v why_o may_v not_o the_o people_n receive_v stand_v 7_o when_o you_o say_v that_o to_o sit_v be_v never_o the_o use_n of_o the_o best_a time_n you_o deny_v the_o apostle_n and_o primitive_a time_n to_o be_v the_o best_a as_o to_o the_o extent_n of_o the_o church_n they_o be_v not_o the_o best_a but_o as_o to_o purity_n of_o administration_n they_o be_v sect._n 16._o that_o there_o be_v ancient_a liturgy_n in_o the_o church_n be_v evident_a s._n chrysostom_n s._n basil_n and_o other_o and_o the_o greek_n tell_v we_o of_o s._n james_n much_o old_a than_o they_o and_o though_o we_o find_v not_o in_o all_o age_n whole_a liturgy_n yet_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o there_o be_v such_o in_o the_o old_a time_n by_o those_o part_n which_o be_v extant_a as_o sursum_fw-la corda_n etc._n etc._n gloria_fw-la patri_fw-la etc._n etc._n benedicite_fw-la hymnus_fw-la cherubinus_n etc._n etc._n verè_fw-la dignum_fw-la &_o justum_fw-la etc._n etc._n dominus_fw-la vobiscum_fw-la et_fw-la cum_fw-la spiritu_fw-la tuo_fw-la with_o divers_a other_o though_o those_o that_o be_v extant_a may_v be_v interpolate_v yet_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v find_v in_o they_o all_o consistent_a to_o catholic_n and_o primitive_a doctrine_n may_v well_o be_v presume_v to_o have_v be_v from_o the_o first_o especial_o since_o we_o find_v no_o original_n of_o these_o liturgy_n from_o general_a council_n reply_n we_o know_v there_o want_v not_o a_o lindanus_n a_o coccius_n to_o tell_v the_o world_n of_o s._n peter_n liturgy_n which_o yet_o pray_v that_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o paul_n we_o may_v be_v defend_v &c_n &c_n and_o 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27._o sect._n 5._o sect._n 6._o sect._n 7._o pa._n 28._o sect._n 1_o rub._n 1._o sect._n 2._o rubr._n sect._n 3_o ex._n 1_o sect._n 5._o p._n 30._o rub._n sect._n 6._o ex._n 1._o sect._n 7._o ex._n 2._o sect._n 8._o marriage_n the_o ring_n sect._n 1._o p._n 31._o sect._n 2._o p●_n 32._o ex._n 1._o sect._n 3_o se._n 4._o col._n se._n 5._o p._n 33._o rubr._n 18._o sect._n 1_o sect._n 2._o sect._n 3._o p._n 34_o exc._n 1_o sect._n 2._o p._n 2._o sect_n 3._o p._n 33._o sect._n 1._o p._n 36._o exc._n 1_o sect._n 2._o exc._n 2._o sect._n 3_o exc._n 3_o sect._n 4._o exc._n 4._o sect._n 5._o exc._n 5._o sect._n 1_o sect._n 2._o sect._n 3_o sect._n 4._o sect._n 5._o sect_n 6._o sect._n 7._o sect._n 8._o sect._n 9_o sect._n 10._o sect._n 11._o sect._n 12._o sect._n 13._o sect._n 14._o sect._n 15._o sect._n 16._o sect._n 17._o