Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	body_n	particular_a	unite_v	3,071	5	9.8162	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A69753	The generall demands, of the reverend doctors of divinitie, and ministers of the Gospell in Aberdene, concerning the late covenant, in Scotland together, with the answeres, replyes, and duplyes that followed thereupon, in the year, 1638 : reprinted in one book, by order of Parliament.	Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.	1663 (1663)	Wing C4226; Wing C4225; ESTC R6298	125,063	170

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the_o english_a edition_n of_o his_o royal_a work_n at_o london_n anno_fw-la 1616._o pag._n 206._o that_o which_o you_o add_v concern_v the_o general_n band_n be_v also_o little_a to_o the_o purpose_n for_o that_o band_n have_v the_o king_n warrant_n whereas_o his_o majesty_n do_v now_o forbid_v your_o covenant_n three_o although_o the_o former_a oath_n subscrive_v do_v appertain_v only_o to_o the_o person_n of_o the_o subscriver_n all_o the_o day_n of_o their_o life_n yet_o you_o have_v in_o your_o interpretation_n extend_v the_o obligation_n thereof_o to_o the_o present_a and_o succeed_a generation_n in_o this_o land_n without_o any_o warrant_n either_o from_o public_a law_n or_o from_o the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n itself_o which_o also_o be_v a_o substantial_a difference_n betwixt_o that_o oath_n &_o your_o late_a covenant_n whereas_o you_o allege_v that_o

commandment_n of_o our_o superior_n 45._o again_o you_o say_v that_o when_o scandal_n of_o weak_a brethren_n may_v be_v fear_v the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n be_v not_o obligatory_a in_o respect_n the_o thing_n command_v by_o our_o superior_n although_o it_o be_v in_o itself_o lawful_a yet_o it_o become_v unexpedient_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o scandal_n which_o may_v follow_v upon_o it_o now_o say_v you_o the_o ordinance_n of_o our_o superior_n be_v not_o obligatory_a when_o the_o thing_n command_v by_o they_o be_v unexpedient_a we_o on_o the_o contrary_a say_v that_o when_o our_o superior_n require_v of_o we_o obedience_n to_o their_o lawful_a commandment_n the_o precept_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n be_v not_o obligatory_a in_o respect_n we_o ought_v not_o for_o scandal_n causeless_o take_v omit_v necessary_a duty_n which_o god_n in_o his_o law_n require_v of_o we_o in_o which_o number_n we_o most_o just_o do_v reckon_v the_o duty_n of_o obedience_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o the_o 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