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A03398 A suruay of the pretended holy discipline. Contayning the beginninges, successe, parts, proceedings, authority, and doctrine of it: with some of the manifold, and materiall repugnances, varieties and vncertaineties, in that behalfe Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610. 1593 (1593) STC 1352; ESTC S100667 297,820 466

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the_o present_a form_n of_o our_o church-government_n shall_v be_v any_o long_o endure_v or_o why_o any_o call_n in_o the_o world_n next_o unto_o the_o call_n of_o every_o moses_n and_o sovereign_a within_o their_o own_o dominion_n shall_v be_v more_o esteem_v cherish_v reverence_a or_o honour_v by_o all_o true_a christian_n than_o the_o calling_n office_n &_o authority_n of_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n have_v so_o general_a &_o continual_a a_o allowance_n both_o of_o god_n himself_o and_o of_o all_o godly_a and_o right_o zealous_a man_n ever_o since_o there_o be_v any_o outward_a form_n of_o church_n government_n appoint_v chap._n ix_o they_o disagree_v very_o great_o concern_v doctor_n it_o be_v now_o become_v to_o be_v a_o receive_a opinion_n especial_o among_o those_o that_o desire_v to_o have_v the_o kingdom_n of_o the_o pretend_a eldership_n to_o reign_v over_o they_o that_o s._n paul_n in_o the_o fourrh_n to_o the_o ephesian_n do_v make_v the_o doctor_n a_o distinct_a office_n 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by_o christ_n appointment_n be_v commit_v &_o that_o consequent_o he_o have_v by_o the_o same_o authority_n his_o place_n &_o voice_n in_o the_o consistory_n as_o well_o &_o by_o as_o good_a right_n as_o either_o the_o pastor_n or_o elder_n so_o as_o if_o there_o be_v any_o reform_a church_n in_o the_o world_n where_o there_o be_v pastor_n that_o have_v not_o these_o doctor_n &_o which_o do_v not_o admit_v they_o to_o have_v any_o such_o authority_n nor_o give_v they_o either_o place_n or_o voice_n in_o their_o consistory_n then_o sure_o all_o those_o and_o many_o such_o like_a speech_n follow_v do_v even_o as_o proper_o fall_v upon_o they_o as_o they_o do_v upon_o our_o church_n against_o the_o which_o they_o be_v first_o coin_v and_o utter_v 17.18_o they_o refuse_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n they_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o the_o free_a gift_n of_o christ_n 463._o they_o purpose_v not_o to_o have_v the_o church_n flourish_v in_o true_a knowledge_n they_o want_v some_o necessary_a gift_n which_o be_v tie_v necessary_o to_o that_o office_n 12._o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n 54._o the_o mean_n thereunto_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a 1._o which_o be_v the_o have_v of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n 3_o so_o long_o as_o man_n be_v subject_a to_o ignorance_n the_o church_n be_v miserable_o destitute_a that_o want_v the_o doctor_n they_o can_v take_v away_o those_o ministery_n that_o god_n have_v place_v in_o his_o church_n no_o christian_n church_n aught_o to_o swerve_v from_o the_o officer_n he_o name_v doctor_n that_o god_n have_v appoint_v 16._o if_o they_o do_v they_o maim_v the_o church_n they_o take_v away_o a_o member_n from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n they_o maim_v his_o body_n and_o deform_v it_o which_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o amplification_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o as_o great_a importance_n as_o the_o addition_n of_o any_o new_a officer_n
the_o church_n commit_v so_o as_o then_o these_o parochial_a doctor_n be_v clean_o out_o of_o request_n and_o be_v not_o this_o the_o lightness_n 1.17_o and_o fleshly_a mind_n which_o the_o apostle_n renounce_v in_o that_o they_o come_v thus_o unto_o we_o with_o yea_o and_o nay_o but_o as_o yet_o you_o see_v not_o all_o the_o uncertainty_n folly_n jar_n 95_o squaringe_n and_o contradiction_n which_o i_o find_v about_o this_o matter_n junius_n say_v that_o of_o doctor_n some_o be_v prophet_n &_o some_o be_v doctor_n beza_n he_o hold_v that_o s._n paul_n meaning_n be_v to_o divide_v prophet_n into_o pastor_n &_o doctor_n who_o division_n or_o opinion_n can_v both_o be_v true_a if_o the_o rule_n of_o division_n be_v due_o observe_v for_o by_o the_o first_o every_o prophet_n be_v a_o doctor_n and_o by_o the_o second_o every_o doctor_n be_v a_o prophet_n furthermore_o as_o junius_n very_o cunning_o will_v draw_v both_o a_o prophet_n and_o a_o doctor_n out_o of_o a_o doctor_n 61_o &_o as_o 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that_o the_o officer_n mention_v ephes._n 4._o be_v all_o of_o they_o assure_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n last_o if_o they_o shall_v be_v able_a in_o time_n to_o compass_v this_o point_n that_o their_o doctor_n by_o virtue_n of_o that_o call_n may_v go_v for_o such_o minister_n yet_o a_o new_a controversy_n thereupon_o arise_v not_o inferior_a to_o any_o of_o the_o rest_n uz._n whether_o it_o appertain_v to_o these_o kind_n of_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n to_o be_v minister_n also_o of_o the_o sacrament_n caluin_n think_v 4._o that_o this_o be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o pastor_n and_o the_o doctor_n quod_fw-la doctores_fw-la nec_fw-la disciplinae_fw-la nec_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la administrationi_fw-la praesunt_fw-la that_o doctor_n have_v neither_o to_o deal_v with_o the_o discipline_n '_o nor_o with_o the_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n but_o cartwright_n little_o esteem_v caluins_n judgement_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v most_o earnest_a to_o the_o 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