Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	bishop_n	hand_n	ordination_n	2,718	5	10.1610	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A57858	A just and modest reproof of a pamphlet called The Scotch Presbyterian eloquence	Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701.	1693 (1693)	Wing R2222; ESTC R25107	43,938	42

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