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A87828 Seven questions about the controversie betweene the Church of England, and the Separatists and Anabaptists, breifely [sic] discussed. 1. Whether is the Church of England as it now stands a true church? 2. Whether the Church of England be a right nationall church? 3. Whether are the ministers in the Church of England sent of God, and so are true ministers or not? 4. Whether is the baptisme of infants a true and lawfull baptisme or no? 5. Whether it be lawfull to be rebaptized or not? 6. Whether it is lawfull to separate from all the publike ordinances and Christian assemblies in our English church, because there are some defects in discipline, and in other things amongst us? 7. Whether is it necessarie to demolish our churches (steeple-houses as the Separatists call them,) and to build them in other places, because they were built by idolators for idolatrous worship, were abused with images, and dedicated to saints? By Immanuel Knutton, preacher of Gods word at Beeston in Nottingham shire [sic]. Knutton, Immanuel, d. 1655. 1645 (1645) Wing K744; Thomason E25_20; ESTC R4217 31,540 40

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from_o this_o church_n which_o i_o prove_v to_o be_v the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n therefore_o for_o such_o as_o have_v take_v this_o covenant_n and_o yet_o separate_a from_o we_o how_o they_o can_v do_v this_o with_o a_o good_a conscience_n i_o can_v see_v qvest._n vii_o whether_o be_v it_o necessary_a to_o demolish_v our_o church_n steeplehouse_n as_o the_o separatist_n call_v they_o and_o to_o build_v they_o in_o other_o place_n because_o they_o be_v build_v by_o idolater_n for_o idolatrous_a worship_n be_v abuse_v with_o image_n and_o dedicate_v to_o saint_n ans_fw-fr i_o hold_v it_o neither_o necessary_a not_o fit_a to_o pull_v they_o down_o because_o of_o the_o idolatrous_a service_n practise_v in_o they_o reas_n 1_o because_o we_o that_o worship_n god_n in_o they_o do_v reject_v those_o superstition_n which_o be_v use_v in_o they_o and_o use_v they_o lawful_o in_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n as_o goliath_n his_o sword_n though_o a_o instrument_n of_o cruelty_n and_o murder_n serve_v for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o heathenish_a idolaty_n in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o giant_n be_v yet_o lawful_o use_v by_o david_n as_o a_o instrument_n of_o justice_n to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n 1_o samuel_n 17.51_o 1_o sam._n 21.9_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o magistrate_n have_v cast_v superstition_n out_o of_o these_o house_n &_o convert_v they_o to_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n reas_n 2_o if_o for_o the_o superstitious_a rit_n of_o consecration_n our_o temple_n shall_v be_v demolish_v then_o how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o the_o church_n yard_n be_v not_o liable_a to_o the_o same_o judgement_n see_v they_o have_v be_v consecrate_v by_o bishop_n with_o abominable_a rite_n and_o idolatrous_a superstition_n as_o the_o temple_n be_v the_o people_n of_o biscaie_n in_o spain_n admit_v of_o no_o bishop_n among_o they_o for_o when_o fernand_n the_o catholic_a come_v in_o progress_n hither_o accompany_v by_o the_o bishop_n of_o pampelune_n the_o people_n arise_v in_o arm_n drive_v back_o the_o bishop_n and_o gather_v all_o the_o dust_n on_o which_o they_o think_v he_o have_v tread_v and_o fling_v it_o into_o the_o sea_n if_o popish_a superstition_n have_v defile_v our_o church_n and_o church_n yard_n with_o a_o indelible_a stain_n why_o serve_v you_o not_o they_o so_o likewise_o reas_n 3_o then_o it_o will_v also_o follow_v that_o popish_a baptism_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n defile_v with_o idolatrous_a rit_n aught_o by_o the_o like_a necessity_n to_o be_v abolish_v &_o a_o new_a baptism_n to_o be_v seek_v &_o while_o you_o retain_v among_o you_o the_o baptism_n administer_v in_o popery_n you_o can_v without_o partiality_n refuse_v our_o temple_n the_o pollution_n of_o baptism_n by_o idle_a ceremony_n of_o cross_v exorcism_n exsufflation_n salt_n spittle_n oil_n etc._n etc._n be_v as_o great_a as_o the_o pollution_n of_o the_o temple_n by_o their_o consecration_n beside_o mr._n ainsworth_n in_o on_o part_n of_o his_o work_n say_v that_o person_n unlawful_o circumcise_v and_o baptize_v in_o idolatrous_a and_o false_a church_n may_v yet_o through_o faith_n and_o repentance_n come_v to_o a_o lawful_a and_o comfortable_a use_n of_o their_o former_a circumsition_n and_o baptism_n why_o then_o can_v our_o repentance_n and_o faith_n as_o well_o sanctify_v unto_o we_o the_o place_n superstitious_o consecrate_v while_o we_o do_v in_o like_a manner_n disclaim_v and_o renounce_v their_o superstition_n reas_n 4_o if_o the_o superstitious_a consecration_n of_o place_n unto_o idolatry_n do_v necessary_o infer_v the_o destruction_n of_o the_o same_o then_o be_v private_a house_n of_o idolater_n to_o be_v destroy_v for_o many_o of_o they_o have_v be_v defile_v with_o image_n and_o superstitious_a rit_n reas_n 5_o if_o temple_n popish_o consecrate_v must_v be_v demolish_v because_o of_o their_o former_a superstition_n than_o it_o will_v also_o follow_v that_o the_o live_a temple_n as_o infant_n in_o their_o popish_a baptism_n and_o popish_a minister_n in_o their_o superstitious_a ordination_n and_o popish_a prince_n in_o their_o coronation_n be_v as_o much_o defile_v with_o idolatrous_a rit_n as_o our_o temple_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n to_o be_v destroy_v shall_v achan_n tent_n be_v burn_v and_o not_o achan_n himself_o josh_n 7.24_o 25._o this_o be_v the_o rather_o to_o be_v mark_v because_o revel_v 18.13_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v express_o mention_v and_o reckon_v among_o the_o ware_n and_o merchandise_n of_o antichrist_n so_o as_o the_o temple_n be_v not_o therefore_o such_o as_o stand_v for_o the_o demolish_n of_o our_o temple_n i_o suppose_v they_o will_v not_o have_v such_o person_n destroy_v as_o be_v convert_v from_o popery_n because_o they_o have_v be_v papist_n nither_o will_v they_o destroy_v a_o papist_n house_n if_o the_o parliament_n shall_v bestow_v one_o upon_o they_o object_n but_o the_o retain_v of_o these_o steeple-house_n for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n be_v a_o breath_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n exod._n 20.4_o 5_o 6._o with_o deut._n 12.2_o 3._o ans_fw-fr 1_o i_o conceive_v that_o commandment_n deut._n 12._o be_v a_o temporary_a ordinance_n part_n of_o moses_n his_o policy_n that_o be_v abrogate_a and_o therefore_o not_o bind_v we_o in_o these_o time_n for_o how_o ever_o the_o equity_n thereof_o continue_v teach_v we_o to_o detest_v idolatry_n yet_o it_o bind_v we_o not_o in_o such_o manner_n and_o by_o such_o mean_n to_o signify_v our_o detestation_n thereof_o as_o it_o do_v they_o in_o moses_n time_n for_o example_n as_o god_n here_o command_v to_o abolish_v idolatrous_a place_n so_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n deut._n 13.12.15_o 16_o 17._o god_n command_v they_o not_o only_o to_o demolish_v their_o place_n of_o worship_n but_o also_o their_o good_n and_o cattle_n to_o burn_v it_o with_o fire_n the_o equity_n of_o this_o commandment_n lead_v we_o to_o a_o great_a detestation_n of_o idolatry_n but_o who_o will_v say_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v declare_v by_o the_o very_a same_o mean_n and_o manner_n of_o judgement_n in_o destroy_v such_o thing_n as_o be_v of_o necessary_a use_n second_o as_o god_n command_v to_o destroy_v idolatrous_a place_n so_o he_o command_v to_o abolish_v their_o name_n and_o not_o to_o retain_v they_o deut._n 12.3_o this_o commandment_n appear_v hereby_o to_o be_v temporary_a and_o ceremonial_a because_o now_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n we_o see_v that_o the_o name_n of_o divers_a idol_n have_v be_v retain_v in_o divers_a person_n thereupon_o denominate_v as_o the_o name_n of_o mercury_n venus_n phebe_n jupiter_n apollo_n fortuna_n that_o be_v heathenish_a idol_n worship_v for_o god_n and_o goddess_n and_o yet_o their_o name_n not_o abolish_v in_o the_o saint_n mention_v by_o the_o apostle_n rom._n 16.14_o phil._n 2.25_o rom._n 16.1_o titus_n 3.13_o 1_o cor._n 16.17_o three_o this_o command_n for_o destroy_v idolatrous_a place_n as_o it_o be_v not_o perpetual_a for_o time_n so_o also_o not_o universal_a for_o the_o place_n but_o express_o restrain_v to_o the_o land_n of_o canaan_n to_o the_o idol_n of_o those_o nation_n which_o israel_n shall_v possess_v from_o that_o place_n they_o be_v to_o be_v cut_v off_o ●s_a be_v thrice_o note_v in_o three_o verse_n together_o deut._n 12_o 1.2_o 3._o even_a as_o god_n will_v have_v great_a severity_n and_o detestation_n to_o be_v manifest_v towards_o the_o idolater_n in_o canaan_n then_o to_o those_o of_o other_o country_n a_o far_o off_o deut._n 20.10.15_o 16_o 17._o josh_n 9.6_o 7._o four_o see_v meat_n sacrifice_v to_o idol_n be_v as_o much_o pollute_v as_o the_o place_n of_o their_o worship_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o may_v now_o lawful_o be_v retain_v for_o our_o necessary_a use_n psal_n 24.1_o with_o 1_o cor._n 10.15_o 26_o 27._o why_o not_o the_o temple_n also_o five_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a reason_n to_o abolish_v the_o building_n abuse_v unto_o idolatry_n now_o as_o the_o high_a place_n of_o old_a because_o god_n have_v appoint_v one_o only_a place_n for_o sacrifice_n deut._n 12.5_o 6_o etc._n etc._n levit._fw-la 17.3.4_o those_o high_a place_n be_v for_o sacrifice_n be_v to_o be_v destroy_v though_o no_o idolatry_n have_v be_v commit_v in_o they_o but_o be_v pollute_v with_o the_o service_n of_o idol_n there_o be_v then_o double_a cause_n of_o their_o destruction_n which_o be_v not_o now_o in_o these_o while_o differance_n of_o place_n be_v take_v away_o john_n 4_o 21._o six_o the_o high_a place_n the_o grove_n altar_n image_n destroy_v by_o josias_n 2_o chron._n 34._o whereof_o no_o necessary_a use_n as_o our_o temple_n now_o be_v the_o high_a place_n be_v altar_n in_o hey_o mountain_n and_o hill_n act_n 19.9_o 10._o there_o we_o find_v a_o idolatrous_a place_n convert_v by_o the_o apostle_n unto_o the_o service_n of_o god_n the_o school_n of_o tyrannus_n be_v as_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o heathenish_a school_n the_o nursery_n of_o superstition_n idolatry_n false_a worship_n and_o 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these_o point_n which_o i_o have_v endeavour_v to_o defend_v but_o howsoever_o some_o may_v like_v these_o reason_n and_o other_o may_v dislike_v they_o i_o shall_v say_v to_o myself_o in_o the_o word_n of_o the_o poet_n theogins_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d finis_fw-la