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repentance_n follow_v they_o sometime_o with_o judgement_n sometime_o with_o mereie_n and_o compassion_n etc._n etc._n levit._n 26_o 15-45_a ezech._n 16_o 59-62_a judg._n 2_o 1-20_a etc._n etc._n thus_o in_o israel_n who_o be_v the_o lord_n people_n it_o may_v be_v note_v how_o they_o go_v a_o whore_v after_o their_o own_o invention_n fall_v into_o idolatry_n and_o false_a worship_n run_v into_o sin_n after_o sin_n and_o become_v a_o harlot_n transgress_v the_o covenant_n on_o their_o part_n exod._n 32._o judg._n 2._o and_o 3._o with_o psa_n 78_o 56-58_a 1_o sam._n 7_o 3_o 4._o 1_o king_n 12_o 28-33_a and_o 14.22.23.24_o with_o 2_o chron._n 12._o and_o 13._o and_o 1_o king_n 19.10_o hos_fw-la 6.7_o and_o 8.1_o yet_o the_o lord_n break_v it_o not_o on_o his_o part_n but_o sometime_o of_o himself_o sometime_o at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o his_o prophet_n &_o servant_n he_o spare_v they_o and_o do_v not_o destroy_v they_o or_o present_o give_v they_o a_o bill_n of_o divorce_n according_a 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and_o deceit_n etc._n etc._n hos_fw-la 2.2.5_o &_o 4_o 15._o &_o 5.3_o 4._o and_o 9_o 1._o and_o 11.12_o etc._n etc._n in_o like_a manner_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o apostasy_n be_v compare_v with_o the_o jew_n turk_n and_o pagan_n they_o be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v account_v christian_n and_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n where_o also_o be_v verify_v that_o which_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o antichrist_n sit_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n 2_o thes_n 2.4_o not_o the_o temple_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o some_o to_o turn_v away_o the_o truth_n have_v imagine_v but_o the_o temple_n of_o christian_n the_o church_n of_o god_n bring_v to_o the_o say_v of_o christ_n and_o profess_v to_o be_v christian_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o these_o scripture_n and_o the_o like_v compare_v together_o 2_o thes_n 2.4_o with_o ezech._n 43.7.8_o zath_n 6.12.13_o ephes_n 2_o 11-13.19_a 21._o 2_o cor._n 6.16_o rev._n 11.19_o and_o as_o it_o be_v also_o under_o stand_v by_o all_o sound_a writer_n both_o old_a 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