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A83012 The confident questionist questioned: or, the examination of the doctrine delivered by Mr. Thomas Willes in certain queries. Published by Mr. Jeremiah Ives. Examined by counter-queries. By N.E. with a letter of Mr. Tho. Willes. N. E. 1658 (1658) Wing E18; Thomason E934_3; ESTC R207678 33,986 58

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