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A90063 Irenicum; or, An essay towards a brotherly peace & union, between those of the congregational and presbyterian way; shewing out of the most learned and renowned divines of the congregational way, that their positions concerning 1. Church matters and members. 2. Church constitution and form. 3. Church state. 4. Church officers and ordination. 5. Church government and censures. 6. Church combinations and synods. 7. Communion with and separation from churches. are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting peace between them and the Presbyterians ... In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy, where it was agreed, and declared, that such reforming churches as consist of persons sound in the faith, and of conversation becoming the Gospel, ought not to refuse the communion of each other ... Drawn up and published by Discipulus de Tempore Junior. Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; D. T. 1659 (1659) Wing N910; Thomason E978_1; ESTC R202985 58,516 89

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church_n hear_v their_o minister_n as_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o hold_v communion_n with_o they_o in_o their_o church_n answ_n we_o may_v hold_v and_o retain_v communion_n with_o they_o in_o baptise_v our_o child_n as_o occasion_n may_v fall_v out_o by_o absence_n of_o our_o minister_n in_o their_o church_n 23._o apologetical_a narration_n they_o say_v but_o do_v not_o mat._n 23._o and_o by_o occasional_a receive_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n in_o their_o church_n and_o receive_v such_o member_n of_o they_o as_o be_v due_o qualify_v unto_o communion_n with_o we_o occasional_o also_o our_o minister_n to_o preach_v in_o their_o congregation_n and_o receive_v they_o also_o to_o preach_v in_o we_o as_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n paper_n give_v to_o the_o committee_n of_o accommodation_n by_o thomas_n goodwin_n philip_n nye_n william_n bridge_n sydrach_n simson_n jerom._n burrough_n pag._n 29._o line_n 17._o quest_n 9_o what_o shall_v we_o judge_v then_o of_o the_o 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unkindness_n or_o some_o evil_n only_o conceive_v or_o which_o may_v be_v tolerate_v and_o heal_v etc._n etc._n be_v sinful_a and_o unlawful_a see_v chap._n 4._o quest_n 5._o answ_n 2._o therefore_o o_o that_o those_o who_o have_v rend_v themselves_o from_o we_o to_o gather_v themselves_o into_o distinct_a church_n will_v be_v wi●ling_a to_o behold_v the_o face_n of_o what_o they_o have_v do_v in_o and_o judge_v it_o by_o this_o friendly_a glass_n and_o repent_v of_o what_o they_o have_v do_v unlawful_o and_o sinful_o 6._o neither_o the_o hypocrisy_n of_o some_o member_n nor_o the_o toleration_n of_o open_a scandal_n nor_o want_v of_o some_o ordinance_n be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o man_n to_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n therefore_o our_o brethren_n can_v allege_v no_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o their_o separation_n on_o from_o the_o church_n whereof_o they_o be_v sometime_o member_n 7._o faithfulness_n of_o brotherly_a love_n in_o church_n relation_n require_v that_o 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charge_n if_o for_o this_o they_o be_v not_o condemn_v by_o their_o own_o conscience_n i_o be_o sure_a they_o be_v by_o their_o friend_n and_o brethren_n 8._o the_o ordination_n of_o minister_n in_o england_n by_o the_o bishop_n be_v adventitious_a and_o accidental_a to_o their_o call_n see_v chap._n 4._o quest_n 7._o answer_n to_o object_n 4._o therefore_o their_o ordination_n by_o the_o bishop_n do_v not_o make_v their_o call_a null_n and_o void_a nor_o be_v it_o necessary_a that_o they_o shall_v renounce_v that_o call_v and_o put_v themselves_o upon_o a_o new_a call_n unless_o withal_o they_o change_v their_o station_n 9_o the_o difference_n between_o independent_o and_o presbyterian_o be_v not_o so_o great_a but_o that_o it_o may_v be_v heal_v and_o there_o may_v a_o be_v a_o union_n if_o some_o distemper_n and_o carnal_a corrupt_a respect_n do_v not_o prevail_v above_o principle_n of_o judgement_n and_o love_n to_o peace_n and_o truth_n see_v chap._n 4._o answ_n to_o quest_n 8._o 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