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point_n wherein_o the_o question_n especial_o lie_v which_o be_v whether_o this_o function_n be_v perpetual_a and_o aught_o to_o remain_v always_o in_o the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o way_n that_o whereas_o there_o be_v dyvers_a sort_n of_o adversary_n to_o this_o discipline_n o_o the_o church_n m._n doctor_n be_v among_o the_o worst_a for_o there_o be_v that_o say_v that_o this_o order_n may_v be_v use_v or_o not_o use_v now_o at_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n but_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o this_o order_n be_v not_o for_o these_o time_n but_o only_o for_o those_o time_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o so_o do_v flat_o pinch_n at_o those_o church_n which_o have_v christian_n magistrate_n yet_o notwithstanding_o retain_v this_o order_n still_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v so_o still_o and_o i_o be_o able_a to_o defend_v my_o say_n against_o all_o that_o you_o have_v show_v to_o the_o contrary_n and_o yet_o do_v i_o not_o pinch_n at_o any_o church_n that_o use_v it_o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o so_o that_o they_o have_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n who_o may_v if_o he_o will_v depart_v from_o his_o right_n &_o abridge_v himself_o of_o the_o authority_n commit_v unto_o he_o by_o god_n but_o he_o need_v not_o so_o do_v except_o he_o listen_v and_o whether_o it_o be_v well_o do_v or_o no_o i_o will_v not_o determine_v this_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o that_o in_o a_o monarchy_n &_o in_o a_o kingdom_n such_o as_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n be_v it_o can_v not_o be_v practise_v without_o untollerable_a contention_n &_o extreme_a confusion_n except_o you_o can_v devise_v to_o make_v every_o several_a parish_n a_o kingdom_n within_o itself_o and_o exempt_v it_o from_o all_o ecclestastical_a &_o civil_a jurisdiction_n of_o prince_n prelate_n &_o whosoever_o which_o undoubted_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v your_o seek_v as_o will_v appear_v hereafter_o chap._n 2._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 139._o sect._n ult._n &_o pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o vanity_n of_o this_o distinction_n which_o be_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v senior_n or_o ancient_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o not_o of_o peace_n under_o tyrant_n &_o not_o under_o christian_n magistrate_n may_v appear_v the_o cause_n why_o these_o senior_n or_o ancient_n be_v appoint_v in_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v which_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v for_o that_o the_o pastor_n not_o be_v able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o &_o to_o have_v his_o eye_n in_o every_o corner_n of_o the_o church_n &_o place_n where_o y_o e_o churches_n abode_n may_v be_v help_v of_o the_o ancient_n wherein_o the_o wonderful_a love_n of_o god_n towards_o his_o church_n do_v manifest_o appear_v that_o for_o the_o great_a assurance_n of_o the_o salvation_n of_o he_o do_v not_o content_v himself_o to_o appoint_v one_o only_a ourseer_n of_o every_o church_n but_o many_o over_o every_o church_n and_o therefore_o see_v that_o the_o pastor_n be_v now_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o nor_o his_o eye_n can_v not_o be_v in_o every_o place_n of_o the_o parish_n present_a to_o behold_v the_o behaviour_n of_o the_o people_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o well_o now_o as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n prince_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n the_o office_n of_o a_o ancient_a or_o senior_n be_v require_v onlesse_a you_o will_v say_v that_o god_n have_v less_o care_n of_o his_o church_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n than_o he_o have_v in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n and_o under_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v there_o may_v be_v senior_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o that_o there_o aught_o of_o necessity_n to_o be_v god_n have_v provide_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o other_o gonernour_n to_o punish_v and_o to_o correct_v vice_n and_o other_o disorder_n in_o the_o church_n who_o have_v his_o officer_n and_o deputy_n in_o every_o place_n for_o that_o purpose_n neither_o may_v the_o pastor_n or_o any_o other_o to_o who_o that_o charge_n be_v not_o commit_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n usurp_v that_o office_n unto_o themselves_o wherefore_o that_o cause_n by_o you_o allege_v be_v no_o cause_n at_o all_o why_o there_o shall_v be_v any_o such_o senior_n where_o there_o be_v christian_n magistrate_n neither_o be_v that_o kind_n of_o government_n any_o part_n of_o the_o pastor_n charge_n the_o pastor_n if_o he_o be_v a_o meet_a man_n be_v able_a to_o o_o all_o that_o that_o be_v require_v of_o a_o pastor_n else_o may_v it_o be_v say_v which_o you_o before_o deny_v that_o god_n appoint_v office_n &_o function_n and_o give_v not_o sufficient_a gift_n to_o execute_v &_o do_v they_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v say_v that_o god_n have_v esse_fw-la care_n of_o his_o church_n when_o he_o place_v civil_a and_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o the_o stead_n of_o senior_n than_o when_o he_o place_v senior_n and_o leave_v it_o destitute_a of_o christian_a mastrate_n for_o one_o of_o the_o most_o ingular_a benefit_n that_o god_n bestow_v on_o his_o church_n in_o this_o world_n be_v that_o he_o give_v unto_o it_o christian_n king_n &_o prince_n from_o who_o office_n and_o authority_n whosoever_o do_v detract_v and_o withdraw_v we_o any_o thing_n iniuri_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o show_v himself_o unthankful_a for_o so_o great_a a_o benefit_n chap._n 2._o the._n 3._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o in_o deed_n if_o so_o be_v the_o auncientes_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n or_o have_v supply_v the_o room_n of_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n in_o handle_v of_o any_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o he_o than_o there_o have_v be_v some_o cause_n why_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v i_o the_o church_n the_o office_n of_o the_o senior_n or_o at_o the_o least_o so_o much_o as_o he_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n shall_v have_v cease_v but_o when_o as_o the_o ancient_a neither_o do_v nor_o by_o any_o manner_n may_v meddle_v with_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o a_o magistrate_n no_o more_o under_o a_o tyrant_n than_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o the_o magistrate_n enter_v into_o the_o church_n the_o elder_a shall_v be_v therefore_o thrust_v out_o scripture_n out_o where_o find_v you_o this_o in_o all_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o elder_n office_n be_v to_o admonish_v several_o those_o that_o do_v amiss_o to_o comfort_v those_o which_o he_o see_v weak_a and_o shake_a and_o to_o have_v need_n of_o comfort_n to_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n of_o reprehension_n sharp_a or_o mild_a as_o the_o fault_n require_v also_o to_o assist_v in_o the_o suspention_n from_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n until_o some_o trial_n be_v have_v of_o the_o repentance_n of_o that_o party_n which_o have_v confess_v himself_o to_o have_v offend_v or_o else_o if_o he_o remain_v stubborn_a to_o assist_v he_o in_o the_o excommunication_n these_o be_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o elder_a do_v which_o for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o may_v do_v as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n as_o well_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o touch_v the_o office_n of_o elder_n there_o be_v no_o distinction_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o persecution_n of_o a_o christian_n prince_n and_o of_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v by_o what_o place_n of_o scripture_n you_o can_v i_o stifie_v this_o office_n that_o you_o matter_n the_o office_n ascri_fw-la ed_z to_z senior_n 〈◊〉_d the_o gistrate_n o_o his_o authoriti_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n here_o appoint_v unto_o senior_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o matter_n in_o my_o judgement_n you_o shall_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v use_v some_o authority_n of_o scripture_n or_o other_o ancient_a writer_n the_o admonition_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n be_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n to_o consult_v to_o admo_fw-la sh_n to_o correct_v &_o to_o order_v all_o thing_n appertain_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o congregation_n which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o church_n matter_n in_o d_o ede_fw-mi if_o you_o make_v such_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o church_n &_o
the_o common_a wealth_n the_o ci_fw-fr ill_a magistrate_n &_o the_o ecclesiastical_a as_o you_o do_v throughout_o your_o whole_a book_n it_o be_v not_o mar_v ell_n though_o you_o think_v turk_n no_o more_o authoriti_n 〈◊〉_d ed_z to_o a_o i_fw-mi istian_a magistrate_n tha_z t_o the_o turk_n the_o office_n of_o senior_n to_o be_v perpetual_a for_o you_o give_v no_o more_o authority_n to_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a government_n than_o you_o will_v do_v to_o the_o turk_n if_o you_o be_v under_o he_o and_o therefore_o according_a to_o your_o platform_n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v all_o one_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n and_o under_o the_o great_a turk_n but_o to_o l_o have_v the_o admonition_n what_o have_v you_o speak_v of_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n which_o be_v not_o either_o proper_a to_o the_o pastor_n or_o common_a to_o all_o christian_n or_o such_o as_o may_v be_v much_o better_o bring_v to_o pass_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n than_o by_o the_o ignorance_n simplicity_n and_o rudeness_n of_o the_o most_o of_o your_o senior_n but_o first_o let_v we_o hear_v more_o of_o your_o 〈◊〉_d before_o we_o come_v to_o utter_v the_o absurdity_n of_o your_o cause_n chap._n 2._o the._n 4._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o in_o the_o midst_n but_o i_o will_v yet_o come_v near_o that_o without_o the_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v be_v necessary_a and_o always_o to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o office_n of_o ancient_n &_o elder_n be_v such_o as_o without_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v therefore_o it_o follow_v that_o this_o office_n be_v necessary_a that_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v without_o this_o order_n of_o ancient_n it_o may_v appear_v for_o that_o he_o which_o have_v fault_v and_o amend_v not_o after_o he_o be_v admonish_v once_o pri_fw-la ate_o and_o then_o before_o one_o witness_n or_o two_o can_v further_o be_v proceed_v against_o 18._o math._n 18._o according_a to_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n onlesse_a there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n ancient_n d_o elder_n therefore_o this_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n which_o tend_v to_o the_o amendment_n of_o he_o which_o have_v not_o profit_v by_o those_o two_o former_a admonition_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v without_o they_o for_o it_o be_v command_v of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o in_o such_o a_o case_n when_o a_o brother_n do_v not_o profit_n by_o these_o two_o warning_n it_o shall_v be_v tell_v the_o church_n now_o i_o will_v ask_v who_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n here_o if_o he_o say_v by_o the_o church_n be_v mean_v all_o y_fw-mi e_z people_n than_o i_o will_v ask_v how_o a_o man_n can_v convenient_o complayn_v to_o all_o the_o whole_a congregation_n or_o how_o can_v the_o whole_a congregation_n convenient_o meet_v to_o decide_v of_o this_o matter_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o the_o people_n have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o excommunication_n as_o shall_v be_v note_v hereafter_o but_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o so_o far_o come_v for_o he_o must_v first_o refuse_v to_o obey_v the_o admonition_n of_o the_o church_n or_o ever_o they_o can_v proceed_v so_o far_o well_o if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o people_n that_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n who_o be_v it_o i_o hear_v m._n doctor_n say_v it_o be_v the_o pastor_n but_o if_o he_o will_v say_v so_o &_o speak_v so_o strange_o he_o must_v warrant_v it_o with_o some_o other_o place_n of_o scripture_n where_o the_o church_n be_v take_v for_o one_o which_o be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v as_o one_o man_n be_v many_o one_o member_n be_v a_o body_n one_o alone_o be_v a_o company_n and_o beside_o this_o strangeness_n of_o speech_n it_o be_v clean_o contrary_a to_o the_o meaning_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n and_o destroy_v the_o soveraintie_n of_o the_o medicine_n which_o our_o saviour_n christ_n prepare_v for_o such_o a_o fester_a sore_n as_o will_v neither_o be_v heal_v with_o priu_fw-fr te_fw-la admonition_n neither_o w_n to_o admonition_n before_o one_o or_o two_o witness_n for_o as_o y_z e_z fault_n grow_v so_o our_o saviour_n christ_n will_v have_v the_o number_n of_o those_o before_o who_o he_o shall_v be_v check_v &_o rebuke_v likewise_o grow_v therefore_o from_o a_o private_a admonition_n he_o rise_v unto_o the_o admonitian_n before_o two_o or_o three_o &_o from_o they_o to_o the_o church_n which_o if_o we_o shall_v say_v it_o be_v but_o one_o then_o to_o a_o dangerous_a wound_n shall_v be_v lay_v a_o easy_a plaster_n &_o therefore_o our_o saviour_n do_v not_o rise_v from_o two_o to_o one_o for_o that_o be_v not_o to_o rise_v but_o to_o fall_v nor_o to_o proceed_v but_o to_o go_v backward_o but_o to_o many_o see_v then_o that_o the_o church_n here_o be_v neither_o the_o whole_a congregation_n nor_o the_o pastor_n alone_o it_o follow_v that_o by_o 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nowm_fw-la aliquid_fw-la &_o insolens_fw-la animo_fw-la svo_fw-la concepit_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o we_o suffer_v every_o hedie_n and_o brainless_a fellow_n so_o soon_o as_o he_o have_v conceyve_v any_o new_a thing_n in_o his_o mind_n to_o publish_v
describe_v 118_o wherein_o the_o jew_n have_v a_o more_o particular_a direction_n than_o we_o 117_o jew_n have_v something_o common_a with_o the_o gentile_n 321_o ¶_o ignorantia_fw-la elenchi_fw-la look_v argumentum_fw-la ¶_o infirmity_n in_o all_o man_n 612_o ¶_o imposition_n of_o hand_n diverse_o take_v 198_o imposition_n of_o hand_n 226_o imposition_n of_o hand_n in_o confirmation_n allow_v by_o master_n caluin_n pag._n 785_o ¶_o inconstancy_n of_o t._n c._n and_o he_o come_v panion_n 431_o ¶_o indifferent_a thing_n lose_v the_o nature_n of_o indiffereneie_n be_v command_v 92._o 258_o in_o what_o kind_n of_o indifferent_a thing_n we_o ought_v to_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o weak_a 258_o ancient_a father_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a 95._o etc._n etc._n council_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a pag._n 97._o 98_o scripture_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a 98_o augustin_n of_o thing_n indiffer_v 99_o etc._n etc._n caluin_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a 109._o etc._n etc._n late_o writer_n of_o 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in_o the_o end_n spoil_v the_o magistrate_n and_o the_o people_n also_o of_o this_o liberty_n and_o when_o he_o have_v speak_v against_o the_o abuse_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o that_o matter_n he_o make_v a_o objection_n of_o such_o church_n as_o profess_v the_o gospel_n say_v but_o some_o peradventure_o with_o l_o object_n that_o those_o church_n which_o in_o our_o time_n will_v seem_v to_o have_v reform_v religion_n receive_v their_o minister_n of_o the_o magistrate_n &_o not_o by_o any_o election_n of_o the_o people_n to_o this_o objection_n he_o say_v that_o he_o be_v compel_v to_o answer_v for_o their_o sake_n who_o though_o they_o faithful_o labour_v in_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n yet_o do_v they_o doubt_n whether_o their_o vocation_n be_v lawful_a or_o no_o because_o they_o be_v not_o elect_v &_o ordain_v according_a to_o the_o apostolical_a form_n and_o have_v confess_v those_o point_n y_o t_o you_o here_o set_v down_o he_o make_v this_o resolution_n verun_v si_fw-la consideres_fw-la diversum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la statum_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o thou_o shall_v consider_v the_o diverse_a state_n of_o the_o church_n thou_o must_v confess_v that_o that_o which_o in_o itself_o be_v apostolical_a lawful_a &_o usual_a &_o convenient_a for_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n primis_fw-la quidem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la temporibus_fw-la prodesse_fw-la potuisse_fw-la nostris_fw-la vero_fw-la non_fw-la ita_fw-la may_v well_o profit_v the_o church_n in_o the_o beginning_n but_o not_o so_o in_o our_o time_n for_o they_o there_o be_v not_o such_o a_o multitude_n of_o christian_n but_o that_o the_o minister_n without_o tumult_n may_v by_o common_a consent_n be_v choose_v which_o thing_n at_o this_o day_n be_v very_o hard_o to_o be_v do_v moreover_o they_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o faithful_a be_v not_o so_o general_o infect_v with_o common_a error_n nor_o so_o blind_v
church_n consent_n shall_v be_v have_v in_o the_o election_n of_o apostolical_a t._n c._n urge_v the_o apostolical_a form_n and_o yet_o bring_v in_o that_o which_o be_v not_o apostolical_a the_o minister_n etc._n etc._n but_o how_o shall_v we_o know_v that_o you_o mean_v as_o you_o speak_v for_o you_o have_v no_o warrant_n so_o to_o do_v in_o any_o apostolical_a election_n or_o in_o any_o form_n use_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n wherefore_o either_o you_o must_v break_v that_o rule_n which_o you_o will_v have_v both_o to_o be_v perfect_a and_o perpetual_a for_o all_o time_n and_o state_n or_o else_o do_v you_o but_o dissemble_v with_o the_o magistrate_n and_o mind_n nothing_o less_o than_o that_o you_o say_v you_o will_v do_v but_o as_o good_a never_o a_o whit_n as_o never_o a_o deal_n the_o better_a for_o the_o magistrate_n must_v c._n the_o absurdity_n of_o the_o devise_n of_o t._n c._n confirm_v they_o or_o reject_v they_o if_o he_o be_v godly_a and_o take_v not_o from_o the_o 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pag._n 144._o lin._n 26._o &_o sect._n 1._o 2._o it_o be_v true_a that_o we_o ought_v to_o be_v obedient_a unto_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n which_o govern_v the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o that_o office_n which_o be_v commit_v unto_o he_o and_o according_a to_o that_o call_n but_o it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o 〈◊〉_d magistrate_n must_v govern_v it_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n and_o that_o as_o they_o be_v nourise_n so_o they_o be_v servant_n unto_o the_o church_n and_o as_o they_o rule_v in_o the_o church_n so_o they_o must_v remember_v to_o subject_v themselves_o unto_o the_o church_n to_o submit_v their_o sceptre_n to_o throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n yea_o as_o the_o prophet_n speak_v to_o lick_v 49._o esay_n 49._o the_o dust_n of_o the_o foot_n of_o the_o church_n wherein_o i_o mean_v not_o that_o the_o church_n do_v either_o wring_v the_o sceptre_n out_o of_o prince_n hand_n or_o take_v their_o crown_n from_o their_o head_n or_o that_o it_o require_v prince_n to_o lick_v the_o dust_n of_o her_o foot_n as_o the_o pope_n under_o this_o pretence_n have_v do_v but_o i_o mean_v as_o the_o prophet_n mean_v that_o what_o soever_o magnificence_n or_o excellency_n or_o pomp_n be_v either_o in_o they_o or_o in_o their_o estate_n and_o common_a wealth_n which_o do_v not_o agree_v with_o the_o simplicity_n and_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o world_n poor_a and_o contemptible_a estate_n of_o the_o church_n that_o that_o they_o will_v be_v content_a to_o lay_v down_o and_o here_o come_v to_o my_o mind_n that_o wherewith_o the_o world_n be_v now_o dec_fw-la ive_v and_o wherewith_o m._n doctor_n go_v about_o both_o to_o deceyve_v himself_o &_o other_o too_o in_o that_o he_o think_v that_o the_o church_n must_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o common_a wealth_n and_o the_o church_n government_n according_a to_o the_o vill_a government_n doctrine_n government_n a_o dangerous_a doctrine_n which_o be_v 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deform_a argument_n that_o good_a man_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o church_n be_v as_o it_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n it_o be_v meet_v that_o the_o common_a wealth_n which_o be_v build_v upon_o that_o foundation_n shall_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o those_o voice_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v hear_v this_o order_n will_v not_o agree_v with_o our_o common_a wealth_n that_o law_n of_o god_n be_v not_o for_o our_o state_n this_o form_n of_o government_n will_v not_o match_v with_o the_o policy_n of_o this_o realm_n io._n whitgifte_n these_o word_n will_v be_v well_o consider_v for_o they_o contain_v the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o reply_n the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o prince_n autho_fw-mi ritie_n contain_v in_o the_o reply_n princess_n authority_n both_o in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a matter_n but_o i_o will_v only_o give_v a_o brief_a note_n of_o they_o in_o this_o place_n mean_v to_o set_v forth_o this_o matter_n more_o at_o large_a 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especial_o see_v that_o ambrose_n hieronis_fw-la ancient_a deni_v the_o same_o to_o have_v be_v in_o his_o tyme._n but_o if_o have_v one_o only_a testimony_n and_o that_o make_v nothing_o for_o your_o purpose_n but_o against_o you_o rather_o because_o it_o establish_v collegiate_n church_n which_o you_o will_v glad_o throw_v down_o then_o m._n doctor_n knowledge_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v more_o than_o you_o can_v with_o all_o your_o lofty_a speech_n &_o immodest_a word_n obscure_a i_o have_v allege_v so_o much_o of_o ambrose_n faithful_o and_o true_o as_o prove_v that_o which_o i_o allege_v he_o for_o neither_o have_v i_o leave_v out_o one_o word_n that_o make_v against_o that_o my_o purpose_n for_o if_o you_o remember_v yourself_o you_o can_v not_o but_o see_v and_o understande_v that_o i_o only_o allege_v ambrose_n to_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v sometime_o a_o signiory_n but_o yet_o dissolve_v and_o abrogate_a before_o his_o time_n if_o that_o which_o follow_v in_o ambrose_n 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than_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n that_o in_o consideration_n of_o these_o thing_n the_o eldership_n be_v necessary_a and_o such_o a_o order_n as_o the_o church_n ought_v not_o be_v without_o io._n whitgifte_n it_o force_v not_o great_o whether_o you_o say_v any_o more_o of_o it_o or_o no_o for_o as_o it_o nothing_o hinder_v my_o purpose_n so_o win_v it_o no_o credit_n unto_o you_o and_o for_o asmuch_o as_o the_o church_n may_v much_o better_o be_v govern_v and_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n much_o better_o exercise_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n than_o by_o these_o senior_n and_o see_v that_o this_o kind_n of_o government_n be_v neither_o command_v in_o the_o scripture_n nor_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n as_o a_o kind_n of_o government_n not_o to_o be_v alter_v see_v also_o that_o it_o bring_v in_o confusion_n derogate_v from_o that_o authority_n that_o god_n have_v give_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n howsoever_o it_o have_v heretofore_o be_v use_v yet_o be_v there_o no_o cause_n why_o it_o shall_v now_o or_o at_o any_o time_n under_o christian_a prince_n be_v of_o necessity_n retain_v chap._n 2._o the._n 28._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 146._o sect._n 1_o and_o so_o also_o be_v answer_v the_o third_o question_n that_o for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o be_v church_n officer_n question_n a_z the_o place_n heb._n 13._o be_v quote_v only_o for_o the_o phrase_n for_o it_o pro_fw-la ve_v nothing_o in_o question_n and_o over_o the_o people_n in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o god_n and_o such_o as_o watch_v over_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n 13._o a_z heb._n 13._o that_o therefore_o although_o they_o be_v not_o pastor_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n yet_o be_v they_o not_o lay_v man_n as_o they_o term_v they_o but_o ecclesiastical_a person_n io._n whitgifte_n m._n beza_n in_o a_o epistle_n that_o be_v prefix_v before_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o church_n in_o beza_n beza_n hell_n tia_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o signiory_n say_v that_o there_o must_v be_v a_o great_a consideration_n have_v that_o prince_n and_o noble_a man_n and_o such_o as_o have_v authority_n and_o pre-eminence_n in_o the_o church_n be_v choose_v to_o be_v of_o the_o signiory_n and_o will_v you_o make_v noble_a man_n and_o prince_n ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o such_o as_o must_v watch_v over_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n in_o deed_n those_o that_o be_v call_v presbyteri_fw-la in_o the_o scripture_n be_v ecclesiastical_a person_n for_o they_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o m._n caluine_n institut_fw-la cap._n 8._o sect_n 52._o caluine_n caluine_n say_v that_o all_o the_o senior_n be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n his_o word_n be_v these_o habebant_fw-la ergo_fw-la singulae_fw-la civitates_fw-la presbyterorun_n collegium_fw-la qui_fw-la pastor_n erant_fw-la &_o doctores_fw-la nam_fw-la &_o apud_fw-la populum_fw-la munus_fw-la docendi_fw-la exhortandi_fw-la &_o corrigendi_fw-la quod_fw-la paulus_n episcopis_fw-la iniungit_fw-la omnes_fw-la obibant_fw-la for_o every_o city_n have_v a_o college_n of_o senior_n which_o be_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n for_o they_o do_v all_o exercise_n among_o the_o people_n the_o offyce_v of_o teach_v exhort_v and_o correct_v which_o paul_n do_v enjoin_v to_o bishop_n but_o how_o can_v you_o make_v your_o senior_n ecclesiastical_a see_v your_o signiory_n must_v consist_v of_o noble_a man_n gentleman_n marchauntman_n husbandman_n handycraftesman_n as_o tailor_n shoemaker_n carpenter_n etc._n etc._n even_o such_o as_o the_o most_o part_n of_o the_o parish_n will_v choose_v chap._n 2._o the._n 29._o division_n admonition_n then_o the_o sentence_n be_v temper_v according_a 20._o according_a 1._o ti._n 1._o 20._o to_o the_o notoriousnesse_n of_o the_o fact_n now_o on_o the_o one_o 〈◊〉_d either_o hatred_n against_o some_o person_n carry_v man_n headlong_o into_o rash_a and_o cruel_a judgement_n or_o else_o favour_n affection_n or_o money_n mitigate_v the_o rigour_n of_o the_o same_o and_o all_o this_o come_v to_o pass_v because_o the_o regiment_n leave_v of_o christ_n 23._o christ_n mat._n 18._o 7._o 1._o co._n 12._o 28_o rom._n 12._o 8._o 1._o ti._n 5._o 17._o act._n 15._o 2._o 4_o 6._o 22._o 23._o to_o his_o church_n be_v commit_v into_o one_o man_n hand_n who_o alone_o it_o shall_v be_v more_o easy_a for_o the_o wicked_a by_o bribe_v to_o pervert_v than_o to_o overthrow_v the_o faith_n &_o piety_n of_o a_o zealous_a and_o godly_a company_n for_o such_o manner_n of_o man_n in_o deed_n 13._o deed_n exod._n 18._o 21_o deut._n 1._o 13._o shall_v the_o senior_n be_v answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 130._o sect._n ult._n &_o pag._n 131._o 132._o &_o pag._n 133._o lin._n ult._n &_o pag._n 134._o sect._n 1_o you_o say_v all_o this_o come_v to_o pass_v because_o the_o regiment_n leave_v of_o christ_n to_o his_o church_n be_v commit_v unto_o one_o man_n hand_n and_o for_o the_o proof_n of_o this_o you_o note_v in_o the_o margin_n the._n 18._o of_o mat._n the._n 12._o of_o the_o first_o to_o the_o corin._n the._n 12._o to_o the_o rom._n the._n 5._o of_o the_o first_o to_o timoth._n the._n 15._o of_o the_o act_n which_o place_n be_v examine_v let_v the_o discrete_a reader_n judge_v how_o apt_o they_o serve_v for_o your_o purpose_n in_o the._n 18._o of_o math._n christ_n say_v on_o this_o sort_n if_o thy_o brother_n trespass_n against_o thou_o go_v and_o tell_v he_o his_o fault_n between_o he_o and_o thou_o alone_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o which_o place_n it_o be_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o all_o interpreter_n manifest_v that_o christ_n prescribe_v a_o rule_n of_o correct_v private_a and_o secret_a sin_n and_o not_o of_o such_o as_o be_v open_a and_o know_v to_o other_o for_o he_o will_v not_o have_v pryvate_a and_o secret_a sin_n blaze_v abroad_o &_o public_o reprehend_v before_o the_o party_n offend_v be_v in_o this_o order_n
beyond_o all_o man_n in_o sauciness_n neither_o bring_v they_o any_o thing_n with_o they_o from_o home_n but_o a_o vain_a &_o intolerable_a contempt_n of_o all_o good_a man_n neither_o can_v they_o abide_v to_o be_v correct_v by_o any_o admonition_n of_o other_o m._n caluine_n speak_v of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n instit._n cap._n 8._o sect._n 120._o say_v thus_o scimus_fw-la politiam_fw-la pro_fw-la varietate_fw-la temporum_fw-la recipere_fw-la imo_fw-la exigere_fw-la varias_fw-la mutationes_fw-la we_o know_v that_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n do_v receive_v nay_o rather_o do_v require_v diverse_a alteration_n beza_n caluine_n beza_n m._n beza_n likewise_o lib._n confess_v cap._n 5._o sect._n 17_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n touch_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v another_o cause_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n that_o they_o may_v ordain_v canon_n of_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o that_o i_o may_v comprehend_v many_o thing_n 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elder_n and_o deacon_n concern_v senior_n not_o only_o their_o office_n but_o their_o name_n also_o be_v out_o of_o this_o english_a church_n utter_o remove_v their_o office_n be_v to_o 28._o to_o act._n 14._o 4._o 1._o cor._n 1_o 28._o govern_v the_o church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n to_o consult_v to_o admonish_v to_o correct_v and_o to_o order_v all_o thing_n appertain_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o congregation_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 112._o sect._n 3_o what_o scripture_n have_v you_o to_o prove_v that_o such_o senior_n as_o you_o mean_v &_o deacon_n have_v any_o thing_n to_o do_v in_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n i_o think_v the_o only_a discipline_n that_o we_o have_v in_o the_o whole_a new_a testament_n except_o you_o will_v make_v admonition_n &_o exhortation_n a_o part_n of_o it_o be_v excommunication_n and_o the_o execution_n of_o that_o be_v only_o commit_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n math._n 16._o john_n 20._o example_n 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unto_o the_o poor_a and_o these_o be_v the_o deacon_n and_o as_o in_o the_o former_a part_n i_o show_v there_o be_v two_o kind_n so_o in_o this_o latter_a part_n the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o of_o those_o who_o charge_n be_v over_o the_o poor_a some_o have_v charge_n over_o all_o the_o poor_a of_o the_o church_n as_o those_o which_o be_v call_v deacon_n some_o have_v charge_n over_o the_o poor_a stranger_n and_o those_o poor_a which_o be_v sick_a only_o and_o those_o s._n paul_n call_v in_o one_o place_n diaconiss_n and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n widow_n rom._n 16._o rom._n for_o the_o deacon_n do_v distribute_v unto_o the_o necessity_n as_o well_o of_o the_o poor_a stranger_n &_o the_o sick_a poor_a 5._o 1._o tim._n 5._o as_o unto_o the_o other_o poor_a of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o widow_n do_v employ_v their_o labour_n to_o she_o wash_n of_o the_o foot_n of_o y_z e_z stranger_n &_o attend_v upon_o the_o poor_a which_o be_v sick_a &_o have_v no_o friend_n to_o keep_v 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play_v with_o the_o scripture_n t._n c._n pag._n 152._o sect._n 2._o first_o i_o will_v speak_v of_o the_o deacon_n and_o whereas_o m._n doctor_n cry_v out_o of_o daliy_v with_o the_o scripture_n for_o allege_v the._n 8._o verse_n of_o the_o twelve_o unto_o the_o roman_n to_o prove_v deacon_n affirm_v that_o there_o be_v no_o word_n of_o they_o true_o i_o can_v find_v no_o word_n to_o set_v forth_o this_o so_o gross_a ignorance_n and_o have_v it_o not_o be_v enough_o for_o master_n doctor_n to_o have_v utter_v this_o ignorance_n but_o he_o must_v also_o with_o a_o outcry_n proclaim_v it_o and_o as_o it_o be_v spread_v the_o banner_n of_o it_o what_o do_v these_o word_n note_v he_o that_o distribute_v in_o simplicity_n but_o the_o office_n of_o the_o deaconship_n for_o in_o that_o place_n s._n paul_n reeken_v vy_z all_o the_o ordinary_a and_o perpetual_a office_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o office_n of_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o deacon_n of_o the_o elder_a and_o leave_v not_o out_o so_o much_o as_o the_o widow_n which_o he_o note_v in_o these_o word_n show_v mercy_n if_o the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n do_v dally_v with_o the_o scripture_n in_o this_o place_n sure_o master_n caluine_n master_n beza_n master_n bucer_n peter_n martyr_n etc._n etc._n do_v dally_v with_o they_o and_o shall_v all_o these_o be_v esteem_v to_o play_v with_o the_o scripture_n and_o master_n doctor_n only_o to_o handle_v they_o serious_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o think_v rather_o this_o clause_n he_o that_o distribute_v let_v he_o do_v it_o with_o simplicity_n be_v 8._o rom._n 12._o 8._o speak_v to_o such_o as_o be_v able_a to_o help_v the_o poor_a that_o they_o shall_v do_v it_o willing_o and_o simple_o for_o christ_n sake_n not_o for_o vain_a glory_n or_o any_o other_o like_o respect_n for_o the_o whole_a scope_n of_o that_o chapter_n be_v to_o move_v such_o as_o believe_v in_o christ_n to_o good_a life_n and_o conversation_n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n only_o but_o of_o all_o christian_n of_o what_o vocation_n or_o call_v so_o ever_o they_o be_v and_o therefore_o this_o sentence_n be_v general_a and_o speak_v to_o all_o of_o ability_n it_o may_v also_o include_v deacon_n but_o i_o see_v not_o how_o it_o can_v be_v particular_o restreyn_v to_o they_o origen_n upon_o this_o place_n say_v the_o rom._n origen_n in_o 12._o rom._n apostle_n say_v that_o he_o which_o give_v and_o bestow_v any_o thing_n upon_o the_o poor_a must_v do_v it_o in_o simplicity_n of_o heart_n that_o be_v that_o he_o seem_v not_o to_o benefit_n the_o poor_a and_o in_o heart_n seek_v the_o praise_n of_o man_n wherefore_o it_o be_v not_o simplicity_n if_o one_o thing_n seem_v to_o be_v do_v outward_o and_o in_o heart_n another_o be_v seek_v for_o chrysostome_n likewise_o expound_v these_o word_n rom._n chrysost._n in_o 12._o rom._n say_v it_o suffice_v not_o to_o give_v but_o it_o must_v also_o be_v do_v bountiful_o etc._n etc._n so_o do_v the_o greek_a scholiast_n theodorete_n theophilact_n ambrose_n hierome_n all_o these_o do_v understand_v this_o place_n not_o of_o the_o deacon_n who_o distribute_v other_o man_n alm_n but_o of_o such_o as_o give_v alm_n themselves_o and_o relieve_v the_o poor_a with_o their_o own_o substance_n master_n bullinger_n also_o do_v admit_v and_o well_o allow_v this_o interpretation_n wherefore_o you_o see_v that_o i_o have_v good_a ground_n of_o my_o say_n when_o i_o say_v that_o he_o do_v not_o speak_v there_o of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o deacon_n you_o say_v that_o paul_n recken_v up_o here_o all_o ordinary_a and_o perpetual_a office_n of_o the_o church_n but_o you_o speak_v it_o only_o you_o prove_v it_o not_o he_o speak_v here_o of_o prophesy_v and_o you_o deny_v the_o office_n of_o a_o prophet_n to_o be_v perpetual_a you_o say_v he_o speak_v here_o of_o widow_n and_o i_o deny_v their_o office_n to_o be_v perpetual_a moreover_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o he_o speak_v 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govern_v man_n in_o that_o they_o be_v man_n and_o not_o in_o that_o they_o be_v christian_a man_n which_o may_v well_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o turk_n have_v christian_n subject_v under_o he_o but_o it_o be_v wickedness_n to_o think_v it_o of_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o it_o do_v not_o much_o differ_v from_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o anabaptiste_n chap._n 1._o the._n 11._o division_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 230._o sect._n 5._o 6._o &_o pag._n 231._o sect._n 1_o in_o the._n 10._o hebr._n verse_n 30._o it_o be_v thus_o write_v for_o we_o know_v he_o that_o have_v say_v vengeance_n belong_v unto_o i_o i_o will_v recompense_v say_v the_o lord_n and_o again_o the_o lord_n shall_v judge_v his_o people_n vengeance_n belong_v to_o god_n and_o he_o shall_v judge_v his_o people_n ergo_fw-la the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n must_v be_v spiritual_a purpose_n fond_a argument_n and_o to_o no_o purpose_n i_o be_o ashamed_a of_o these_o reason_n and_o so_o will_v you_o 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their_o ministry_n and_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o word_n of_o god_n do_v necessary_o put_v upon_o they_o lest_o the_o strength_n of_o their_o mind_n and_o of_o their_o body_n be_v distract_v unto_o many_o thing_n they_o shall_v be_v the_o less_o able_a to_o accomplish_v their_o ministry_n unto_o the_o full_a which_o may_v also_o partly_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v allege_v out_o of_o cyprian_a which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o so_o much_o as_o to_o be_v executor_n of_o a_o testament_n and_o in_o the._n 80._o canon_n of_o those_o which_o be_v ascribe_v unto_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v enjoin_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o entangle_v themselves_o with_o worldly_a office_n but_o attend_v upon_o their_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n io._n whitgifte_n if_o you_o compare_v the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n before_o the_o time_n of_o christian_a king_n with_o the_o state_n of_o it_o under_o christian_a king_n you_o make_v a_o unequal_a comparison_n for_o how_o can_v 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in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o admonition_n what_o worldly_a affair_n a_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n may_v not_o entangle_v himself_o with_o chap._n second_o the._n 8._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 168._o sect._n ult._n further_o in_o the_o *_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n it_o be_v decree_v that_o none_o of_o the_o clerk_n &_o clergy_n 3._o tom._n 1._o can_v 3._o as_o it_o term_v they_o shall_v receyve_v any_o charge_n of_o those_o which_o be_v under_o age_n unless_o they_o be_v such_o as_o the_o law_n do_v necessary_o cast_v upon_o he_o which_o it_o call_v inexcusable_a charge_n mean_v by_o all_o likelihood_n the_o wardship_n of_o his_o brother_n child_n or_o some_o such_o thing_n where_o be_v also_o declare_v the_o cause_n of_o that_o decree_n to_o have_v be_v for_o that_o there_o be_v certain_a minister_n which_o be_v steward_n to_o noble_a man_n and_o 〈◊〉_d the._n 7._o canon_n of_o the_o same_o council_n it_o be_v decree_v that_o none_o of_o the_o clergy_n shall_v either_o go_v 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by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n i_o grant_v the_o minister_n have_v also_o to_o punish_v vice_n for_o as_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n punish_v light_a fault_n with_o some_o penalty_n of_o money_n or_o loss_n of_o member_n so_o the_o church_n and_o the_o minister_n especial_o with_o the_o church_n have_v to_o punish_v fault_n by_o reprehension_n and_o rebuke_n and_o as_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n punish_v great_a fault_n by_o death_n so_o the_o minister_n with_o other_o which_o have_v interest_n have_v with_o y_z e_z sword_n of_o excommunication_n power_n to_o kill_v those_o which_o be_v rebellious_a and_o to_o cut_v they_o from_o the_o church_n as_o the_o other_o do_v from_o the_o common_a wealth_n and_o if_o it_o be_v a_o help_n to_o the_o minister_n office_n that_o he_o shall_v meddle_v with_o civil_a punishment_n why_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v a_o help_n unto_o the_o magistrate_n office_n that_o he_o shall_v excommunicate_v and_o do_v other_o thing_n perteyn_a to_o the_o 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