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A87687 Baptism without bason. Or, Plain Scripture-proof against infant-baptism, I. By way of answer to Mr. Baxter's arguments, and to the exercitations of Mr. Sidenham, teacher to a church a[t] Newcastle, concerning infants baptism: for which that their pretended consequences are from concessions not to be granted, and from Scriptures as mistaken, and absolutely wrested, is clearly discovered. With II. Several questions and answers, positively holding out the minde of Christ in baptizing of believers onely; and that the magistrates may be induced more and more to encourage the preaching thereof in publike. III. A declaration written to the election of grace, who for want of information are of contrary judgment. Written by William Kaye, minister of the Gospel at Stokesley. Kaye, William. 1653 (1653) Wing K32; Thomason E715_13; ESTC R207264 49,935 54

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22.16_o 17_o 18._o compare_v with_o gal._n 3.6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o rom._n 4.12_o 16._o now_o that_o abraham_n be_v a_o believer_n before_o gen._n 17._o so_o that_o god_n do_v bless_v abraham_n and_o that_o circumcision_n do_v seal_v his_o faith_n he_o have_v though_o not_o as_o the_o apostle_n say_v by_o circumcision_n rom._n 4.11_o i_o do_v grant_v but_o that_o god_n give_v abraham_n in_o circumcision_n more_o than_o abraham_n beg_v of_o god_n gen._n 15.3_o 48._o or_o that_o god_n do_v give_v abraham_n more_o than_o a_o inheritance_n of_o which_o circumcision_n be_v a_o token_n gen._n 17.4_o 11._o this_o i_o defend_v and_o that_o therefore_o circumcision_n be_v not_o a_o administration_n to_o make_v church-member_n i_o desire_v this_o be_v so_o much_o mistake_v to_o produce_v these_o reason_n to_o the_o contrary_n 1._o because_o they_o do_v not_o circumcise_v in_o the_o temple_n or_o by_o a_o priest_n but_o a_o woman_n exod._n 4.25_o and_o other_o do_v circumcise_v josh_n 5.3_o 2._o a_o stranger_n by_o circumcision_n be_v not_o say_v to_o be_v of_o the_o church_n but_o as_o one_o of_o the_o nation_n exod._n 12.48_o and_o if_o any_o refuse_v to_o be_v circumcise_v they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v out_o of_o the_o church_n but_o to_o be_v cut_v off_o out_o of_o the_o nation_n gen._n 17.14_o and_o that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o the_o nation_n reason_v the_o seven_o prove_v 3._o the_o female_a be_v not_o circumcise_v and_o yet_o hanna_n and_o other_o woman_n be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o if_o in_o the_o man_n the_o woman_n may_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n why_o may_v not_o the_o woman_n in_o the_o man_n be_v baptize_v and_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n since_o they_o will_v have_v baptism_n to_o succeed_v circumcision_n 4._o because_o god_n say_v that_o the_o covenant_n of_o which_o circumcision_n be_v a_o sign_n gen._n 17.11_o be_v a_o covenant_n in_o the_o flesh_n gen._n 17.13_o and_o god_n do_v never_o promise_v more_o than_o a_o temporal_a inheritance_n in_o that_o covenant_n gen._n 15.3.18_o compare_v with_o gen._n 17.3_o 4_o 5_o 8._o 5._o in_o the_o case_n of_o dinah_n marry_v with_o sichem_n all_o that_o be_v desire_v of_o he_o be_v this_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v one_o people_n if_o sichem_n etc._n etc._n will_v be_v circumcise_v which_o be_v do_v without_o any_o change_n of_o religion_n gen._n 34.22_o 24._o and_o though_o it_o may_v be_v suppose_v as_o we_o do_v with_o our_o child_n they_o will_v endeavour_v to_o learn_v they_o and_o make_v they_o submit_v to_o their_o religion_n yet_o all_o this_o endeavour_v like_o the_o pain_n that_o we_o take_v in_o the_o nurture_n and_o admonition_n of_o our_o child_n do_v not_o admit_v or_o make_v they_o visible_a church-member_n but_o only_o make_v preparation_n for_o their_o admission_n as_o the_o next_o reason_n will_v full_o clear_v it_o 6._o because_o to_o the_o jew_n god_n say_v gather_v my_o saint_n together_o unto_o i_o those_o that_o have_v make_v a_o covenant_n with_o i_o by_o sacifice_n psal_n 50.5_o and_o zeph._n 3.9_o it_o be_v prophesy_v both_o of_o jew_n and_o christian_n that_o they_o shall_v serve_v god_n with_o one_o consent_n therefore_o child_n not_o sacrifice_v whereby_o there_o may_v be_v a_o visible_a appearance_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o they_o not_o be_v willing_a or_o know_v to_o serve_v god_n with_o one_o consent_n can_v not_o be_v of_o the_o visible_a gather_a church_n or_o they_o be_v not_o visible_a church-member_n for_o to_o make_v a_o visible_a church_n member_n there_o must_v be_v something_o appear_v in_o the_o party_n that_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v so_o as_o to_o give_v his_o consent_n but_o in_o a_o child_n we_o have_v or_o see_v nothing_o that_o represent_v the_o face_n of_o a_o church-member_n 7._o child_n by_o circumcision_n be_v not_o make_v church-member_n because_o after_o they_o have_v be_v circumcise_v they_o be_v present_v unto_o the_o lord_n in_o the_o temple_n and_o our_o saviour_n do_v no_o more_o for_o they_o when_o they_o be_v bring_v unto_o he_o then_o bless_v they_o by_o pray_v for_o they_o mat._n 19_o 8._o god_n be_v say_v to_o have_v a_o church_n in_o the_o wilderness_n act._n 7.38_o and_o yet_o for_o forty_o year_n together_o they_o be_v not_o circumcise_v and_o therefore_o circumcision_n make_v not_o a_o church_n if_o baptism_n as_o mr._n sidenham_n say_v do_v not_o make_v one_o for_o so_o he_o say_v pag._n 166._o baptism_n do_v not_o form_v a_o church_n 9_o because_o the_o gentile_n have_v a_o church_n as_o mr._n baxter_n have_v notable_o prove_v by_o job_n etc._n etc._n and_o abraham_n be_v of_o the_o church_n before_o and_o yet_o the_o gentile_n be_v never_o circumcise_v and_o abraham_n have_v not_o be_v circumcise_v but_o that_o god_n make_v circumcision_n a_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n which_o be_v to_o give_v he_o a_o seed_n by_o sarah_n and_o to_o make_v he_o a_o father_n and_o sarah_n a_o mother_n of_o divers_a nation_n gen._n 17.6_o 16._o for_o as_o all_o nation_n whether_o jew_n or_o gentile_n be_v bless_v in_o abraham_n this_o be_v not_o by_o circumcision_n but_o by_o oath_n and_o promise_n make_v to_o abraham_n gen._n 22._o ●6_n 17_o 18._o as_o the_o apostle_n gal._n 3.9_o compare_v with_o heb._n 6.13_o 14._o full_o declare_v and_o therefore_o we_o do_v not_o look_v at_o circumcision_n that_o it_o do_v admit_v unto_o the_o church_n or_o that_o baptism_n shall_v succeed_v it_o circumcision_n relate_v to_o temporal_a promise_n 10._o because_o these_o word_n in_o the_o covenant_n whereof_o circumcision_n be_v a_o sign_n i_o will_v be_v thy_o god_n and_o o_o thy_o seed_n after_o thou_o be_v only_o speak_v of_o god_n that_o he_o may_v manifest_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o god_n in_o providence_n to_o make_v his_o temporal_a promise_n good_a to_o abraham_n and_o such_o stranger_n that_o shall_v sojourn_v with_o he_o god_n except_v against_o none_o in_o circumcision_n as_o he_o do_v in_o point_n of_o salvation_n and_o therefore_o god_n express_o declare_v his_o meaning_n that_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o covenant_n whereof_o circumcision_n be_v a_o sign_n he_o be_v their_o god_n to_o make_v good_a his_o promise_n to_o give_v they_o the_o land_n of_o canaan_n levit._n 26.44_o 45._o and_o in_o that_o he_o condemn_v and_o take_v away_o this_o circumcision_n make_v a_o new_a covenant_n not_o according_a to_o the_o old_a covenant_n declare_v that_o the_o old_a covenant_n have_v no_o spiritual_a promise_n heb._n 8.6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o 11._o that_o mr._n sidenham_n and_o mr._n baxter_n make_v circumcision_n to_o bring_v child_n into_o the_o church_n be_v but_o from_o their_o own_o wrest_a consequence_n for_o there_o be_v no_o such_o scripture_n that_o say_v circumcision_n make_v a_o child_n a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o scripture_n that_o can_v prove_v circumcision_n a_o covenant_n of_o pure_a grace_n or_o that_o baptism_n do_v succeed_v it_o upon_o which_o they_o ground_n their_o conclusion_n or_o 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the_o great_a thing_n then_o which_o mr._n sidenham_n pag._n 9_o speak_v of_o in_o this_o controversy_n the_o nature_n of_o the_o covenant_n be_v full_o and_o plain_o discover_v it_o be_v too_o apparent_a that_o he_o have_v be_v too_o much_o disciple_v by_o the_o jewish_a rabbis_n in_o make_v the_o covenant_n by_o their_o tradition_n and_o doctrine_n great_a than_o ever_o god_n intend_v it_o whereby_o the_o promise_n and_o oath_n god_n make_v to_o abraham_n whereby_o he_o be_v the_o father_n of_o the_o faithful_a have_v be_v over-looked_n therefore_o mr._n sidenham_n fail_v to_o make_v good_a his_o hinge_n and_o main_a weight_n in_o think_v to_o make_v all_o promise_n to_o abraham_n as_o father_n to_o the_o faithful_a to_o be_v hold_v out_o in_o circumcision_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n
make_v he_o tedious_a to_o the_o reader_n as_o what_o he_o have_v allege_v in_o christ_n be_v baptize_v by_o john_n chap._n 19_o pag._n 162._o with_o his_o conceit_a question_n whether_o christ_n do_v preach_v before_o he_o do_v baptize_v all_o these_o chapter_n be_v but_o strife_n of_o word_n and_o doubtful_a disputation_n i_o not_o strive_v for_o mastery_n but_o only_o as_o engage_v endeavour_v to_o undeceive_v the_o delude_a people_n in_o hold_v forth_o the_o truth_n i_o see_v no_o edification_n for_o i_o to_o follow_v the_o fly_a shadow_n of_o needless_a conjecture_n altogether_o as_o unedifying_a as_o endless_a genealogy_n therefore_o only_o to_o the_o last_o chapter_n wherein_o mr._n s._n hold_v forth_o pag._n 166._o that_o baptism_n do_v not_o form_v a_o church_n i_o answer_v that_o though_o baptism_n do_v no_o more_o form_n a_o church_n than_o it_o form_v a_o believer_n no_o church_n have_v be_v find_v or_o acknowledge_v which_o have_v not_o be_v baptize_v therefore_o though_o 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