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B23579 A Reply of two of the brethren to A. S. wherein you have observations on his considerations, annotations, &c. upon the apologeticall narration : with a plea for libertie of conscience for the apologists church way, against the cavils of the said A. S., formerly called M. S. to A. S. : humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall and moderate men in the world : with a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the separation, and some modest and innocent touches on the letter from Zeland and Mr. Parker's from New-England. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.; Steuart, Adam. Some observations and annotations upon the Apologetical narration. Selections.; Parker, Thomas, 1595-1677. 1644 (1644) Wing G1198 108,381 124

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first_o be_v that_o church_n be_v equal_a in_o authority_n one_o can_v bind_v another_o to_o give_v any_o account_n in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v well_o what_o be_v the_o remedy_n for_o this_o in_o classic_a constitution_n the_o combine_a eldership_n have_v a_o authoritative_a power_n all_o man_n and_o church_n thereof_o be_v bind_v by_o law_n and_o covenant_n to_o submit_v themselves_o etc._n etc._n what_o be_v another_o inconvenience_n in_o case_n other_o church_n be_v offend_v in_o the_o proceed_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n they_o can_v not_o judge_v in_o it_o for_o than_o they_o shall_v be_v both_o judge_n and_o party_n in_o one_o cause_n etc._n etc._n well_o what_o be_v the_o remedy_n in_o presbyterian_a polity_n the_o combine_a eldership_n have_v a_o authoritative_a power_n all_o man_n and_o church_n etc._n etc._n what_o be_v a_o three_o inconvenience_n that_o congregationall_a government_n give_v no_o more_o power_n or_o authority_n