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The hunting of the fox and the wolfe because they make hauocke of the sheepe of Christ Iesus.; Huntyng of the romyshe wolfe
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Turner, William, d. 1568.; Knox, John, ca. 1514-1572.
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STC 24357; ESTC S101281
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blacke house mouse â–ª from a browne field mouse with the long snout much like vnto a shrow Dean It may chaunce that in continuance of time and by long tarying in the house that they may become housemise or els I can not tell how they shold come thether Hunter I am glad that ye graunt that one beast may be changed into another But I will passe ouer that at this time and wil tel you that I haue heard of many credible persons that is that if ye make a newe Ship seuen mile from anye towne and let her sayle halfe a yeare in the mayne Sea and come neuer neare vnto any other Ship that yet shall there be both Mise and Rattes iâ— the Ship Dean It is no great maruaile if such vnperfit beasts haue a double generation that is both by the generation of the male and female and also of corruption of the grounde but I reacken that ye will not gather because these smale beastes that are ordeyned diuers wayes to plague men withal both by sea and land come of corruption as lyse flees doe that Woluse also may spring vp of corruption or that god maketh them nowe in any place without naturall generation of the male and female Hunter Noes floud consumed and killed al kinds of wylde beastes in the worlde and none remayned aliue sauing such as were saued in his Ship when the floud was ended there were Ilandes a greate number many hundreth myles from any continent or mayne land wherein are many kindes of wylde beastes beside Wolues and Lyons and yet it is nothing lyke that anye man woulde haue taken the payne to cary suche mischeuous beastes into those ylandes therefore it dooth appeare that such wylde beastes eyther sprong vp of the nature of the earth or els God made them there to exercise and to punish men thereby Then if God either make Wolues there or suffer Wolues to spring vp there or bring Wolues thither out of other lands to punish the people withall there why may hee not also punish vs English men for our sinnes sake eyther by suffering of Wolues to spring of them selues or by making of newe Wolues here or by bringing in of other wolus that are made in other landes alreadye to puniâ—he vs Englishe men for our sinnes sake as he made Locustes Frogges Dogflees and other greate flies to punishe the Egyptians withall or as he sent Lyons into Samaria to destroy the people there Dean I graunt God can do all these thinges but because he can do them it followeth not that he doth theÌ„ here now God vseth not to work any such wonders or miracles except it be for a very great cause as I see none such at this time Hunter The Lyons were sent into Samaria because ther was foule Idolatrye done in that place whereas God had wont to be serued haue not these newe gospellers taken gods seruice this sixe yeeres away and set vp a folish newe seruice in the steade of it doth not this ouerthrowing of the olde catholike religion deserue the bringing in of Wolues as the inhabitants of Samaria haue deserued to haue the Lyons to bee sent vnto the 〈◊〉 Therefore there wanteth no cause why that God shoulde sende in Wolues or make Wolues a newe in this land to punishe vs withall Dean Although we haue deserued much punishment for our departing from the true religioÌ„ of our mother holy church yet God may send vs other punishment theÌ„ by miraculously bringing in of wolus Hunter Because ye thinke that God punisheth vs other wayes then by sending in and making of newe Wolues I pray you how shall I thinke that Wolues come into this Realme when as I am sure that there are diuers in this reamle and see theÌ„ dayly and heare them daylyâ— If they come not hether by some of the wayes which I haue rehearsed before Perchance ye see them not and other see theÌ„ not yet I am sure that I both heare them and see them dayly Dean I can not beleeue yet that ther are any and if there be any I can not tell how they come hoyther Hunter A Foxe and a Wolfe are verye like in diuers thinges thinke ye it not possible but an olde Foxe may goe forth of kinde into a Wolfe Dean It is possible by the myght of god but it is playne against nature Hunter It is not againste nature that one beaste should go out of kind into another Pismires go out of kind in Flies Casewormes or Codwormes become Flies Colewormes growe into Butterflies Serpentes and Dragons Aristotle writeth in hys boke de historia animalium that a red breast is turned into a red tayle and that Melancariplus that is to saye a swart cope is chaunged into â—â—â—â—dulam which may be called a figbiter A puleus was turned into an Asse as he writeth himselfe the scripture also recordeth that Nabuchodonosor as it appeareth in the fourth of Daniell was changed into a beaste for his hearte was chaunged from a mannes into a beasts hearte he eate hay as an Oxe but after that he repented him of his pryde his wit and his old figure was restored vnto him againe It is not therfore against nature that an imperfit beast should be changed into a more perfit of an other kinde Eyther it is a gainst the word of God â–ª that the perfitest creature aboue all other I meane a man shoulde be chaunged into a vile beast Therfore it is neyther against nature neyther againste the worde of God that an old Foxe should be turned into a Wolfe Dean If that you could shew me a Wolfe in England that were made of a Foxe then would I beeleeue your argument to be true but if ye can not do that ye shall pardon me I can not beleeue your conclusion Hunter The moste part of all the honest men that are in England will beare witnesse that about fiue yeares a goe ther was an old Foxe caryed into the Tower of London whereas he hath continued vntill within these few months and that the same is a very right Wolfe now and goeth abroad and is seene of all men and if that ye goe to London I am sure that ye shall see him Deane Perchaunce ye meane of my Lorde of Winchester whom certaine raylers haue called a Romish Foxe If that you do so you do not well for he is a good catholike man and a prince ouer vs. principi populi tui non male dices wherfore ye oughte not to rayle againste him Hunter Some men nowe a dayes when as men speake againste their open sinnes and faultes and can no otherwise defend their naughtinesse call them that speake the truth raylers Dean And I insure you they that call my Lorde of Winchester a Wolfe do rayle Hunter Christe which denied that he had any kingdome in this world and refused to be a secular ruler whiles he woulde neyther condemne the adulteres neyther heare the cause of the two brethren that were at
debate for the diuision of their heritage called Herode a Foxe who was of as great auctority as Steuen gardiner 〈◊〉 he called the Priestes Scribes and Pharises rulers in their vocacions S24357 tech.take2.sgmipers broad wolues Hipocrites Tumbes full of rotten and stinking bones and Edders The Apostles being only preachers and no princes and namely Paule handeled the enemies of Christes gospel after the same manner and called some of them children of the Deuill as he called the Sorcerer Act. 13. and he called the men of Candy lyers slow bellies and euill beastes I neede not to rehearse how sharply the Prophetes rebuked the Kinges and Princes in the olde Testament for ye know that they spared no man TheÌ„ if that the Prophets of Christ and his Apostles railed not then raile I not for I do none other thing then they dyd Dean The Prophets with Christ and his Apostles were ministers appointed for that office and they had this in their commission that they should shew all men their faultes but I know no such commission that you haue Hunter I haue had commission of God and King Henry the eyght and of King Edward his sonne and of both theyr counsels auctoriti to read and to interprete the scripture and although that my aucthority that I had of the two fornamed Princes bee worne out disanulled by the comming in of a newe gouernour I think in my conscience that I haue yet still as muche of Gods commission remaining still vnabrogate by any mans power that thereby I may call a Wolfe â— Wolfe giue warning vnto my brethren that they beware that they be not worried of Wolues for lacke of warning Dean Why goe ye not to him and tell him that he is a Wolfe perchaunce he woulde amende his manners if ye woulde tell him his faulte charitably Hunter It is not the manner that the Hunter should go him selfe vnto the wild beast but he hath done his part if he hath sent his hounds vnto him Dean What meane ye by that Hunter I meane that is enough at this time and in this part of the world to write vnto him and to tell him hys faults in writing though I come no nearer Dean The scripture teacheth you that if your brother offende you that you oughte to rebuke him betweene him and you alone and if he heare you not then to tell the hole Churche Hunter These wordes of Christe are spoken of a priuate offence that is committed against one priuate man and not of an open fault which is both knowen vnto the Church and hath hurt the hole Church also The scripture teacheth vs that he that offendeth openly shoulde bee rebuked openly that other may be afrayde to offende therby But what if he had offended me alone were I bound to go to rebuke him that woulde caste me in prison and kill me if I came within his reache Should Elias haue done well if he had come to Achab and to Iesabel wheÌ„ as they would haue killed him Yf he did well and wisely that came not vnto his mortall enemies but kept him selfe a lofe then do not I yll to write vnto him and to keepe my selfe from him vntill his teeth be broken for feare of byting Dean I meruaile why you call him a Wolfe more then all the other Bishops and Prists in England Hunter Because he is the principall Wolfe and for a great parte the hole cause of the great and exceding number of Wolues that we now haue for all the while that he was hid in his denne the great number of wolues that goe abroade nowe openly and worrye and kill euery where played the Foxes in their holes but within eyghte dayes after he came abroad and began to worry and kil all the other Wolues entised and boldened by his example began to come out of their holes and confessed openly in Sermons and in other communication what they were and sayd that for feare of their liues and losse of their goods they onely ceased from their old office these fiue or sixe yeares and that nowe they were ready to doe all things as they had wonte to do according vnto their nature and creation And according to their saying and old nature they haue casten into their slaughterhouse all the principall sheepe of Christes flocke and certaine of the shepeheardes also that euer as they are hungry they may kill them as they did Friâ—h Barnes Ierome Garret and Lassels with diuers others Dean As farre as I can gather by your communicacion ye make not only the bishop of Winchester a Wolfe but also all the Bishoppes of Englande Wolues with him Hunter I take the bishop of Winchester and all the masse priestes of England that consent vnto his doctrine and doings for Wolues Dean As it is easy to call all the bishops priests of England that are masse sayers and preache the old learning which ye call papestry Wolues so it is very hard to proue them Wolues Hunter S. Paule in the twentye of the Actes of the Apostles prophecieth that greeuous Wolues shall enter into the Churche which shall not spare the flocke the same Paule prophecieth the same in both his Episstles that he wryteth vnto Timothe Peter also in his latter Epistle prophecied that false prophetes should come Christ our maister in the 24. of Math. sayd also that false prophetes shall come among hys sheepe into the church but the Church of England is Christes Churche and the people of it are his sheepe Therefore according vnto the prophecye of Christ and his Apostles we muste beleeue that we haue one time or other false prophetes but the lay men are not the Prophetes and theâ—e must needes be false prophets and there are no more orders of men but eyther lay men or priestes â—heâ— wheÌ„ lay men can not be the fallse prophets then muste it follow that the priests are the false prophets Dean I graunt that Christe and the apostles prophecâ—ed that false prophetes shoulde come and I saye that they came in dede some euen in the Apostles times as Ebion and Cerinthus and afterward Arrius Donatus Pelagius Mahumet and a greate sorte mo Hunter Christ and his Apostles spake not of the time only that immediatly came after them but rather of the latter times and of the last times of al When Christes Disciples asked him of the ende of the world and of the tokens thereof he among diuers other tokens of the end of the world numbreth the great number of false prophets which shall arise and deceiue many therefore Christe prophecied not of them that were next vnto his time but of such as should come in the end of the world Paule prophecyinge of the false prophets speaketh thus of them Spiritus certo loquitur quod in posterioribus temporibus desciscent quidam a fide â–ª c. The Scripture speaketh of a suerty that in the latter times some shall depart from the Faith In the second Epistle vnto Timothe and in