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A letter of a yonge gentylman named mayster Germen Gardynare, wryten to a frend of his, wherin men may se the demeanour [and] heresy of Ioh[a]n Fryth late burned, [and] also the dyspycyo[n]s [and] reasonynge vpon the same, had betwene the same mayster Germen and hym.
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Gardynare, Germen.
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1534
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STC 11594; ESTC S110810
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Philippes whiche was examyned the thursdaye next ensuenge I shall not nede to wryte vnto you for there be other inough whiche bothâ— can and I am sure wold aduertyse you of y t whiche was openly done wherfore leuynge to wryte of these maters wherof ye eyther are alredy or shalbe better ad nertysed by other I shall wryte what meanes my lorde my mayster vsed for that onely can I best declare vnto you After the body of Fryth was despayred to haue saued y e soule which the fole hym selfe regarded not as he semed nor thought peraduenture for all his hypocrysye of no lyfe to come after thys but onely as the hethen do to lyue by glory surely the latter daye of my beynge with hym he sayd playnely that he thought no sayntes soule came in heuen before the day of dome but in the meane season reposed hym selfe he wiste not where And some of his secte say that the soule of our sauiour Christ hym self O what blasphemouse wretches be these is not yet in heuen But malyce hath no boundes After that he was coÌ„dempned as you haue herde and delyuered to the temporall officers my lord sent vnto him a chapellayn of his with Rupert who on the syxte chapyter of JohnÌ„ declareth the mater so playne and so reiecteth Frythes obieccyons as though it had be specyally wryten agaynste hym whyche author he refused alledgynge that no lerned man dyd euer referre that place to the sacrament of thaltare that therfore Rupert was not lerned and vnderstode the place amysse whyche hys slender obieccyon my lorde vnderstondyng and hopyng of some good effecte yf that were put awaye sent me y e nexte day wyth the thyrde tome of saynt Chrysostome where he in y e xliiii xlv and. xlvi homilie not onely referreth that place to the moste blessed sacrament but also proueth by y e same the bodyly presence of our lord there I shewed hym onely the. xlv which in dede yf any drop of grace had remayned in hym had ben inough Hereby a man maye se how mych hys brage passed his lernynge who durste so precysely affyrme that no lerned man referred that place to the sacrament whyche not onely saynte Chrysostome but also all other catholyke doctours as ye knowe do bycause Luther who dyffereth from them in the bodyly presence of oure lorde and ellys not in substaunce of the sacramentall sygne is content not to haue that place referred to the sacrament whiche maketh so sore agaynste them bothe After salutacyon I put hym in remembraunce fyrste of his answere made to my lordes chapellayn which he knowledged to be so than tolde hym howe my lorde beynge loth he shulde caste awaye hym selfe for ignoraunce had sent hym there Chrysostome whome he must nedes confesse for lerned referryng the sayd place of JohnÌ„ to the blessed sacrament for whych onely cause he had reiecte Rupert as vnlerned well sayde he lette me see yt After that he had rede a good parte of the homylie so farre as hanged together perteynynge to that questyon I asked what he could alledge why he sholde not knoweledge the authoryte of Rupert seyng that Chrysostome whome he coulde not denye to be excellently lerned vnderstode that same place of the moste blessed sacrament as Rupert dyd To whyche after that he had mused a lytle he answered that he gaue no great credeÌ„ce to Rupert for dyuerse causes wherof neuerthelesse he named no mo but this onely that he was after Gregoryes dayes the pope and yet he tolde not so myche as whyche Gregorye he ment when I sawe hym in whome after the comeÌ„ rumour I thought to haue founde some lernynge knowledge in these matres â–ª specyally knowyng hym euer before in other scyences to haue shewed hym selfe of a good wyt and vnderstondynge vtter no more connynge then he dyd but onely tryfle and playe wyth euery thynge studyeng after that he had obiecte one thynge what he myghte bable whan that were taken awaye and so estymynge of that he spoke what by all lyghtelyhode he coulde speke or answere in this mater whyche semed to be nothynge elles but inuencyons of his owne brayne whych I thoughte my selfe able ynough wyth the grace of god eyther to put of or at the lest to bere for neyther sholde he nor the deuyll hym selfe for any apparance of reason make me byleue one arrogant fole better than all good chrystâ— men consentynge in one and beynge lothe to brynge home the heuy news of desperacyon I beganne to passe somwhat my commyssyon and aduâ—ture farther than peraduenture bycame either my yeres or my lernyng not doubtyng though my yeres were but yong and my lernyng very small consyderynge howe many hundred tymes his yeres were vnder the age of the chyrch which he taketh in hand to reache this new lesson more than my yeres were vnder his and howe â—o comparyson is betwene the spyryt which Crist ê“mised sent his chyrch and this new goste of Luthers full of lyes diuysyon and all falshod for what comparyson caÌ„be bytwene god and the deuyll to dyspute the mater wyth hym who wyth arrogauÌ„ce onely and allegacyon of a straunge spyryte laboured to ouercome the trouth so longe rooted in all chrysten hertes which is of it self without any forayn ayde inuyncyble wherfore seyng Ruâ—et reiected onely bycause he lyked not mayster Fryth spoke to playne agaynste hym so that no glose wold serue to make theym twoo agre I beganne to presse hym wyth that place of Chrysostome whyche I had shewed hym desyrynge hym to consyder and waye yt dylygently sayenge I nothynge douted yf he so dyd but yt sholde clerely appere â–ª vâ—… hym that the trouth was agaynâ—â— hym wheruppon takinge the boke agayn into his handes he redde ouer again the same place stoppynge euer and gloryenge at any mencyon of the mysterye and glosynge wyth his owne deuyse where any thynge prycked hym As fyrste at this we be one bodye and meÌ„bers of his fleshe and bones Very well ê™ he so we be for seynge y t he toke our very nature vpon hym in the virgyne Marye we be one bodye wyth hym one blood the same bones the same synues the same meÌ„bers accordyng as Dauid sayde vnto the iewes Os meum caro mea vos And this is yt sayde he that deceyueth you ye referre that which is spoken of our communyte with hym by his byrth to his presence in the sacrament of thaulter Naye sayde I not so But the scryptures and interpreters of the same shewynge moste euydently bothe the naturall cognacyoÌ„ we haue with him by his incarnacyon and y e spyrytuall vnyon the chyrche beynge his mystycall bodye and lykewyse in the most blessed sacrament shewynge both his corporall presence there and also the mystycall representacyon of his passyon he and suche other where the sacrament were mencyoned drewe all to y e mystery though y e wordes playnly repugned deuydynge the mystery from the thynge yt selfe or elles for a shyfte wheÌ„ the