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A04208 A Christian and modest offer of a most indifferent conference, or disputation, about the maine and principall controversies betwixt the prelats, and the late silenced and deprived ministers in England tendered by some of the said ministers to the archbishops, and bishops, and all their adherents. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1606 (1606) STC 14329; ESTC S120767 28,632 54

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