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such_o a_o oath_n they_o be_v make_v the_o pope_n subject_n 30_o that_o by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n the_o priesthood_n do_v overtop_v the_o empire_n and_o both_o jurisdiction_n 128_o henry_n gandaven_n apud_fw-la carer_n pag._n 128_o over_o spiritualty_n and_o temporalty_n and_o the_o immediate_a execution_n likewise_o of_o they_o both_o depend_v upon_o the_o priesthood_n both_o by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o of_o nature_n that_o 130._o antoninus_n apud_fw-la carer_n pag._n 130._o they_o which_o say_v the_o pope_n have_v dominion_n over_o all_o the_o world_n in_o spiritualty_n but_o not_o in_o temporalty_n be_v like_o the_o counsellor_n of_o the_o king_n of_o syria_n who_o say_v the_o god_n of_o the_o mountain_n be_v their_o god_n and_o therefore_o they_o have_v overcome_v we_o let_v we_o fight_v with_o they_o in_o the_o plain_n and_o valley_n where_o their_o god_n dwell_v not_o and_o we_o shall_v prevail_v against_o they_o 3._o reg._n 20._o that_o the_o son_n of_o god_n have_v declare_v the_o altitude_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v as_o it_o 130._o aug._n triumph_n apud_fw-la carer_n pag._n 130._o be_v found_v upon_o a_o rock_n to_o be_v above_o all_o principality_n and_o power_n that_o unto_o it_o all_o knee_n shall_v be_v bow_v of_o thing_n in_o heaven_n in_o earth_n and_o under_o the_o earth_n or_o in_o 132._o idem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la pag._n 132._o hell_n that_o secular_a power_n be_v not_o necessary_a but_o that_o prince_n may_v perform_v that_o through_o terror_n of_o discipline_n which_o the_o priest_n can_v effect_v by_o power_n of_o doctrine_n and_o that_o therefore_o if_o the_o church_n can_v punish_v evil_a man_n imperial_a and_o secular_a principality_n be_v not_o necessary_a the_o same_o be_v include_v potential_o in_o the_o principality_n apostolical_a 31_o that_o there_o be_v diverse_a power_n of_o man_n give_v by_o 142._o carer_n de_fw-fr pot_n rom._n pont._n pag._n 142._o god_n and_o diverse_a authority_n all_o which_o do_v depend_v upon_o the_o high_a authority_n mean_v the_o pope_n and_o thence_o as_o the_o star_n from_o the_o sun_n do_v receive_v their_o light_n that_o the_o imperial_a power_n concern_v the_o administration_n 145._o idem_fw-la pag._n 145._o of_o temporal_a matter_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o pontifical_a power_n as_o the_o light_n of_o the_o moon_n do_v from_o the_o light_n of_o the_o sun_n that_o as_o god_n be_v the_o supreme_a 150._o idem_fw-la pag._n 150._o monarch_n of_o the_o world_n and_o the_o governor_n of_o all_o temporalty_n productiuè_fw-fr &_o gubernatiuè_fw-fr by_o produce_v and_o govern_v they_o though_o of_o himself_o he_o be_v not_o temporal_a and_o of_o the_o world_n so_o it_o must_v be_v confess_v that_o although_o his_o vicar_n the_o pope_n have_v original_o and_o of_o himself_o the_o dominion_n over_o all_o temporalty_n yet_o he_o have_v it_o not_o by_o immediate_a execution_n but_o do_v by_o his_o
creature_n as_o god_n the_o father_n be_v but_o this_o kingdom_n be_v eternal_a and_o divine_a and_o do_v not_o take_v away_o the_o dominion_n of_o man_n nor_o agree_v to_o the_o pope_n that_o christ_n as_o man_n be_v the_o spiritual_a king_n of_o all_o man_n and_o have_v a_o most_o ample_a spiritual_a power_n over_o all_o as_o well_o faithful_a as_o infidel_n that_o this_o spiritual_a kingdom_n of_o christ_n after_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n shall_v be_v sensible_a and_o manifest_a and_o that_o the_o glory_n of_o this_o kingdom_n be_v begin_v in_o christ_n our_o head_n quando_fw-la à _fw-la mortuis_fw-la resurrexit_fw-la when_o he_o arise_v from_o the_o dead_a that_o this_o spiritual_a kingdom_n be_v not_o a_o temporal_a kingdom_n such_o as_o king_n enjoy_v nor_o can_v be_v communicate_v to_o the_o pope_n because_o this_o spiritual_a kingdom_n presuppose_v the_o resurrection_n that_o christ_n as_o man_n may_v if_o he_o will_v or_o have_v think_v it_o expedient_a have_v take_v to_o himself_o a_o regal_a authority_n but_o he_o will_v not_o and_o therefore_o do_v neither_o receive_v nor_o have_v either_o the_o execution_n or_o authority_n or_o power_n of_o any_o temporal_a dominion_n or_o kingdom_n that_o all_o kingdom_n be_v get_v either_o by_o succession_n or_o by_o election_n or_o by_o the_o sword_n or_o by_o gift_n but_o christ_n have_v no_o temporal_a kingdom_n by_o any_o of_o these_o mean_n that_o christ_n do_v never_o execute_v any_o regal_a authority_n in_o the_o world_n that_o christ_n come_v to_o minister_v not_o to_o be_v minister_v unto_o to_o be_v judge_v not_o to_o judge_v that_o he_o shall_v have_v receive_v such_o a_o regal_a authority_n in_o vain_a have_v never_o any_o use_n of_o it_o it_o be_v a_o vain_a power_n quae_fw-la nunquam_fw-la redigitur_fw-la in_o actum_fw-la which_o be_v never_o bring_v into_o act_n that_o christ_n do_v not_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o temple_n the_o buyer_n and_o seller_n of_o ox_n and_o sheep_n by_o any_o pontifical_a or_o regal_a power_n say_z more_z prophetarum_fw-la zelo_fw-la quodam_fw-la divino_fw-la but_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o prophet_n by_o a_o certain_a divine_a zeal_n that_o kingly_a authority_n be_v not_o necessary_a for_o christ_n nor_o profitable_a but_o plain_o superfluous_a and_o unprofitable_a that_o the_o end_n of_o christ_n come_v into_o the_o world_n be_v the_o redemption_n of_o mankind_n to_o which_o end_n spiritual_a power_n be_v only_o necessary_a and_o not_o temporal_a that_o that_o power_n mere_o temporal_a be_v unprofitable_a for_o christ_n be_v apparent_a because_o he_o be_v to_o persuade_v man_n to_o contempt_n of_o glory_n delicacy_n riches_n and_o of_o all_o temporal_a thing_n wherewith_o king_n of_o this_o world_n do_v most_o abound_v that_o all_o the_o place_n almost_o of_o scripture_n which_o speak_v of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n must_v needs_o be_v understand_v of_o his_o spiritual_a and_o eternal_a kingdom_n but_o temporal_a kingdom_n be_v not_o eternal_a that_o christ_n be_v not_o a_o temporal_a king_n of_o the_o jew_n but_o a_o spiritual_a king_n of_o the_o church_n that_o although_o the_o pope_n be_v say_v to_o have_v that_o office_n which_o christ_n himself_o enjoy_v when_o he_o be_v among_o man_n yet_o those_o office_n can_v be_v ascribe_v to_o the_o pope_n which_o christ_n have_v as_o god_n or_o as_o he_o be_v now_o a_o immortal_a and_o glorious_a man_n but_o only_o those_o and_o yet_o not_o all_o of_o they_o which_o he_o hold_v as_o a_o mortal_a man_n that_o christ_n because_o he_o be_v god_n and_o man_n habuit_fw-la quandam_fw-la potestatem_fw-la quam_fw-la dicunt_fw-la excellentiae_fw-la have_v a_o certain_a power_n of_o excellency_n as_o they_o call_v it_o whereby_o he_o govern_v both_o faithful_a and_o infidel_n whereas_o he_o commit_v his_o sheep_n only_o that_o be_v the_o faithful_a to_o the_o pope_n that_o christ_n as_o he_o be_v man_n have_v power_n to_o institute_v sacrament_n and_o work_v miracle_n by_o his_o own_o authority_n which_o power_n the_o pope_n have_v not_o that_o christ_n can_v absolve_v man_n from_o their_o sin_n without_o sacrament_n which_o the_o pope_n can_v do_v that_o christ_n do_v communicate_v that_o power_n to_o the_o pope_n which_o may_v be_v communicate_v puro_fw-la homini_fw-la to_o a_o mere_a man_n which_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o government_n of_o the_o faithful_a so_o as_o without_o impediment_n they_o may_v obtain_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n 56_o that_o these_o place_n and_o authority_n data_fw-la est_fw-la 5._o idem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la cap._n 5._o mihi_fw-la omnis_fw-la potestas_fw-la in_o coelo_fw-la &_o in_fw-la terrâ_fw-la matth._n 8._o all_o power_n be_v give_v unto_o i_o in_o heaven_n and_o earth_n christus_fw-la beato_fw-la petro_n aquavitae_fw-la aeternae_fw-la clavigero_fw-la terreni_fw-la simul_fw-la &_o coelestibus_fw-la imperij_fw-la iura_fw-la commisit_fw-la christ_n commit_v to_o s._n peter_n the_o key-carier_n of_o eternal_a life_n the_o michael_n nicol._n pap._n epist_n ad_fw-la michael_n right_n both_o of_o the_o terrene_a and_o celestial_a empire_n ecce_fw-la duo_fw-la gladij_fw-la luc._n 22._o behold_v here_o be_v two_o sword_n do_v no_o way_n prejudice_n the_o former_a doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o decide_v temporal_a suit_n and_o question_n can._n cause_n 11._o quaest_n 1._o quicunque_fw-la litem_fw-la be_v grant_v unto_o he_o by_o theodosius_n ex_fw-la pielate_fw-la non_fw-la ex_fw-la debito_fw-la of_o devotion_n not_o of_o duty_n that_o christ_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o humility_n ordain_v that_o the_o pope_n shall_v have_v need_n of_o the_o emperor_n defence_n in_o temporalibus_fw-la 10._o idem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la cap._n 10._o and_o that_o the_o emperor_n also_o shall_v need_v the_o pope_n direction_n in_o spiritualibus_fw-la and_o that_o therefore_o he_o leave_v the_o empire_n to_o tiberius_n and_o bestow_v the_o popedom_n upon_o peter_n 57_o that_o as_o touch_v the_o temporal_a principality_n 9_o idem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la cap._n 9_o which_o they_o have_v indeed_o the_o same_o be_v give_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o other_o bishop_n by_o godly_a man_n such_o as_o constantine_n charles_n the_o great_a and_o lewis_n his_o son_n be_v that_o although_o it_o be_v peradventure_o absolute_o better_a that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n shall_v only_o intermeddle_v with_o spiritual_a matter_n and_o king_n with_o temporal_a yet_o through_o the_o malice_n of_o time_n experience_n teach_v it_o to_o be_v both_o profitable_a and_o necessary_a that_o as_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n the_o high_a priest_n be_v long_o sine_fw-la imperio_fw-la temporali_fw-la without_o a_o temporal_a government_n and_o yet_o in_o those_o last_o time_n religion_n can_v not_o have_v consist_v and_o be_v defend_v except_o the_o high_a priest_n have_v be_v likewise_o king_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o maccabee_n even_o so_o it_o have_v come_v to_o pass_v with_o the_o church_n that_o she_o who_o in_o the_o beginning_n do_v need_v no_o temporal_a principality_n do_v now_o seem_v to_o have_v need_n thereof_o necessary_o 58_o all_o the_o premise_n be_v in_o this_o manner_n allege_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n in_o effect_n word_n for_o word_n by_o this_o examinate_a it_o be_v tell_v he_o that_o except_o he_o can_v be_v content_a to_o open_v and_o enlarge_v himself_o further_o then_o after_o this_o sort_n forasmuch_o as_o bellarmine_n notwithstanding_o all_o that_o this_o examinate_v have_v repeat_v out_o of_o he_o for_o the_o express_v of_o his_o own_o judgement_n do_v afterward_o clear_o attribute_v such_o a_o indirect_a power_n to_o the_o pope_n ordine_fw-la adspiritualia_fw-la in_o order_n to_o thing_n spiritual_a as_o do_v give_v he_o authority_n when_o he_o think_v fit_a to_o deal_v with_o emperor_n and_o king_n as_o if_o all_o the_o world_n be_v at_o his_o commandment_n direct_o or_o indirect_o it_o force_v not_o for_o the_o eradicate_v of_o they_o depose_v of_o they_o absolve_a their_o subject_n from_o their_o obedience_n and_o plot_v against_o they_o by_o his_o firebrand_n and_o assassins_n as_o time_n and_o place_n may_v serve_v his_o turn_n as_o it_o have_v be_v touch_v sect._n 35._o and_o 45_o he_o this_o examinate_v shall_v leave_v the_o matter_n worse_o than_o when_o he_o begin_v and_o show_v most_o manifest_o that_o when_o he_o take_v the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n he_o do_v dally_v and_o dissemble_v above_o measure_n otherwise_o then_o become_v any_o dutiful_a subject_n live_v in_o a_o case_n so_o near_o concern_v his_o majesty_n and_o the_o state_n of_o the_o kingdom_n 59_o unto_o this_o point_n this_o examinate_a for_o his_o answer_n say_v that_o he_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o he_o have_v sufficient_o so_o open_v his_o mind_n and_o enlarge_v himself_o as_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o question_n of_o his_o sincericie_n towards_o his_o majesty_n in_o that_o he_o have_v twice_o sect._n 4._o &_o 47._o show_v his_o judgement_n touch_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n for_o the_o
manner_n the_o same_o be_v give_v unto_o he_o direct_o say_v the_o one_o side_n indirect_o say_v the_o other_o 69_o that_o he_o very_o suppose_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n be_v so_o worthy_a and_o eminent_a a_o man_n for_o judgement_n and_o learning_n have_v not_o be_v so_o peremptory_a in_o the_o handle_n of_o the_o two_o say_a point_n whether_o the_o pope_n have_v the_o say_v surmise_a authority_n direct_o or_o indirect_o but_o that_o he_o have_v leave_v unto_o himself_o some_o sufficient_a warrant_n and_o liberty_n to_o vary_v if_o there_o be_v occasion_n in_o the_o say_v three_o point_n viz._n whether_o christ_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n any_o such_o authority_n at_o all_o or_o no._n for_o whereas_o he_o the_o say_a cardinal_n do_v plain_o affirm_v that_o papa_n ut_fw-la papa_n ordinariè_fw-la temporales_fw-la principes_fw-la deponere_fw-la 6._o bellar._n lib._n 5._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 6._o etiam_fw-la iustâ_fw-la de_fw-la causâ_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la tamen_fw-la potest_fw-la regna_fw-la mutare_fw-la &_o uni_fw-la auferre_fw-la &_o alteri_fw-la confer_v tanquam_fw-la summus_fw-la princeps_fw-la spiritualis_fw-la si_fw-la idnecessarium_fw-la sit_fw-la ad_fw-la animarum_fw-la salutem_fw-la that_o be_v the_o pope_n can_v as_o he_o be_v pope_n though_o there_o be_v just_a cause_n by_o his_o ordinary_a power_n depose_v civil_a prince_n yet_o as_o he_o be_v the_o supreme_a spiritual_a prince_n he_o may_v translate_v kingdom_n and_o take_v they_o from_o one_o and_o confer_v they_o upon_o another_o if_o need_v so_o require_v for_o the_o save_n of_o soul_n he_o say_v in_o effect_n nothing_o else_o though_o covert_o but_o that_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o power_n at_o all_o to_o depose_v king_n for_o s._n peter_n neither_o do_v nor_o can_v transfer_v any_o authority_n unto_o his_o successor_n but_o ordinary_a for_o which_o cause_n it_o be_v common_o hold_v that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n can_v not_o derive_v the_o plenitude_n of_o 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