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A51572 The Messias of the Christians and the Jewes held forth in a discourse between a Christian, and a Iew obstinately adhering to his strange opinions, & the forced interpretations of scripture, wherein Christ the true savior of the whole world is described from the prophets and likewise that false and counterfeited Messias of the Jewes, who in vaine is expected by that nation to this very day, is discovered / written first in Hebrew, but now rendered into English by Paul Isaiah, a Jew born, but now a converted and baptized Christian. Münster, Sebastian, 1489-1552.; Eliazar Bar-Isajah. 1655 (1655) Wing M3039A; ESTC R42183 58,523 257

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City shall bee built to the Lord c. and at length concluding hee adds it shall not be pluckt up nor thrown down any more for ever And Isa. saith it shall come to passe in the last daies that the mountaine of the Lords house shall bee established in the top of the mountains This is the mountaine of the Lord which Abraham did shew and shall be exalted above the hils alluding to Isaac who called it a field but by that which is added the mountaine of the house of God hee would signifie the house of Iacob of which hee saith in another place Come yee and let us go up to the mountaine of the Lord to the house of the God of Iacob which shall remaine firm Moreover the Scripture in Genesis hath shewed to us these 3 houses when it thrice makes mention of the place where the lodging of Iacob is described in the place of the house of God for you find it there that Iacob came to the place tooke the stones of the place and slept in that place he hapned into that place when the Sun was set whereby was signified the destruction of the first house He gathered the stones of the place being scattered in the destruction of the first Temple and laid them under his head being to rest upon them all night whereby is signified the building of the second Temple which should not continue long but because he slept quietly there a third Temple was also signified in which they being without strength shall againe bee refreshed and shall rest in their beds and every man shall sit under his owne vine and under his owne fig-tree without all feare Christian I can heare you no longer in this businesse you so much wrest your selfe and the Scripture of God and doe sharpen your wit to pervert the word of God for this exposition which you have brought is unmeete and very unfit for the purpose being upheld by no foundation especially forsomuch as the Prophet hath spoke so plainly that latter house as if hee should say that house which you see with your eies that last shall be in greater glory than the first if he had said the latter house and had not added that you might have some appearing reason although that place which you bring concerning the three fathers is not agreeable to our purpose therefore wee finde a first and a second house but we find not a third Iew What you write concerning the first and second house is this if the Israelites had not sinned they should not have had but the first Temple and it should have been worthy to be builded by the hand of God according to that Thy hands have establisht the sanctuary of the Lord but because they sinned they were the cause why that Temple was built by the hands of men as also the second and hence it is that they had no firmnesse according to that they labour in vain who build it and the Lord himselfe shall by himselfe build Ierusalem and fulfill that Scripture thy hands have established the sanctuary of the Lord and that I will be to thee a fiery wal round about thee and for a glory in the midst of thee And then also shal the saying of our Prophet be confirmed the glory of this latter house shall bee greater than of the first and hee hath not said of the second than of the first Christian You multiply words and cite many places of Scripture but beside the purpose if sinnes were the cause of the desolation of the first and second Temple the third Temple which you expect shall never be built because you sinne without ceasing and ye say that because of your sins the Messias defers his comming If this be true this your third Temple shall never be built which you say shall be and shall be built by the hands of God whereof notwithstanding neither the Scripture nor the Prophets doe make mention but yee out of your owne braine have invented this opinion to seduce the simple Iew If the truth doth not stand for us how I pray was that latter house in greater glory than the former Christian I will tell you and I have told you already for this cause the second house was greater than the first because the Lord of the Temple came into his Temple as the Prophet Malachi did Prophecy Behold I send my Angell and hee shall prepare the way before my face and the Lord shall suddenly come to his Temple whom ye seek and the angell of the Testament whom ye desire behold he commeth saith the Lord of Hosts This prophecy without all deniall doth agree with the King Messias who hath come and was seen of men as I shewed above even now Iew I said above there are some amongst our Rabbies who beleeved the Messias was born in the desolation of the second Temple but was not yet come because when hee shall come he shall do great signes and his heart shall bee exalted in the waies of the Lord but hee shall come and command the Pope and all the Kings of the people saying let the people of the Lord go to serve him and then hee shall doe signes before the rebellious neither shall he feare them and shall remaine in the City of Rome untill he destroy it and then he shall bring forth the people of God Christian You have not yet told mee the reason why your Messias doth so long delay and deferre his comming Iew I have told you already that I know not but our Rabbies say that Ierusalem was wasted for no other cause but because they did breake the Sabbath and for the transgression of the Sabbath they were driven out of their own land into banishment and the chiefe good which at this day is found amongst our banished is the keeping of the Sabbath as it is written thus saith the Lord keepe ye judgement and doe justice for my salvation is neer to come and my righteousnesse to bee revealed Blessed is the man that doth this and the sonne of man that laieth hold on it that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it He saith my salvation is neere to come if you make your waies good departing from evill for repentance withholds the comming of the Messias and if all the Israelites did feare God his salvation would be near to them for redemption depends upon repentance as it is written and the Lord thy God will turne thy captivity if thou wilt turne to the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with thy whole soul And again he saith blessed is the man which doth this namely keeping the Sabbath for that is worthy to be separated from other daies in meat and drinke and more comely apparell and this as to the body but concerning the soule that ought to be emptied of all the businesses of this world Christian I have said above if the people dispers'd in the
number 1335 be accomplisht Iew Some say that number is extended to the year of the world 6118 which is the 2367 year of Christ For first they counted 1290 daies to that time when they laid down the abomination of desolation after the destruction of the temple according to the words of Daniel and afterwards they began to number 1335 daies But they who went before us did not receive this supputation but every man laboured to finde out some account which might agree with their daies And after this manner thou shalt finde with our Rabbies of good memory many divers bounds which are al past for they were carefull to finde out some neere bound lest the common people should despaire because redemption was suspended Christian And so your Rabbies doe alway seduce you saying behold at this time the Messias shall come and when that that is past again they say at that time he shall come How will yee believe these lying words Consider you have no hope and salvation is deferred from you and God is departed from you and you have no consolation not a prophet nor vision therefore be converted acknowledge your Saviour and our Saviour our Lord Christ Iew Neither have wee had from the beginning of the second Temple a Prophet or vision but in those daies when the Messias shall begin to grow Then prophecies and visions shall be multiplied But at this time all vision and prophecie is sealed for the end of the vision of the Prophets hath respect wholly to the growing of the Messias Kingdome When hee shall come we shall have great consolations so that al the daies of our captivity shall bee counted as a little moment as it is written I have left thee a little moment and in great mercies I wil gather thee Christian Vision and prophecy is shut up from your eies but not from our eies for we are all taught of God and the mysteries of the Kingdome of God are revealed to us and if you also will believe in our Lord Christ you may enter into the Kingdome of God Iew Wee cannot beleeve in your Christ because hee was a Magician and all his miracles were wrought by the Magick Art and therefore he was judged to death as the Lord God taught us and because hee brake the Sabbath and said hee was a God therefore the Iewes slew him Christian Hold your peace knave and doe not so reproach our Saviour but if you will at another time I will come to you that wee may speake more of this matter Who knows peradventure thou wilt acknowledge the truth and receive our Gospell Iew I am content that according to your pleasure you come to me but speak nothing to me of your bad tidings Christian Take heed to your selfe that you say not bad tidings but good tidings for it is a manifestation of the goodness of God which came to us by Christ the Redeemer of the world But why doe you so refuse to heare the Gospell and why doe you shun the light and will set in darknesse Is it not written concerning the light of the Gospell the people which did walke in darkenesse saw a great light and to them which dwell in the shadow of death light hath shined Iew This is the reason why I will not heare because Iesus your Messias was an evill man and his speeches were fained and the glorious God saw that hee would seduce the world and would set himselfe forth for God and for that God hath said that men should die but Iesus ought to bee hanged upon the Crosse that so all that should come into the world might see that hee was not God Moreover none of the Prophets hath prophecied frō that time wherin Christ being crucified was hang'd up none of Israel neither any of the Nations because a lying spirit did so much prevail in the world that there was no place for the spirit of prophecie But also we suffer al these tribulations and this very long captivity because that wicked man was borne of us and in our land who made himselfe God and seduced the whole world Christian All those evils which you Iewes suffer came not upon you because of our Christ because he said that he was God and the son of God but rather for this because your fathers slew him and crucified him a holy man and just the Saviour of the world who did no evill neither was deceit found in his mouth Behold this holy man your fathers slew and numbered him with the wicked and ye all allow this fact to this very day and therefore ye shall never find grace in the eies of God unlesse ye return from that evill way and acknowledge our Lord Iesus Christ whom ye in contempt do call Ieschim Vnless you beleeve in him you shall all perish and shall goe downe to hell Behold I have foretold it you shall not finde other salvation in heaven and in earth and for this cause seeke the Lord while he may be found call upon him while he is neere Forsake your unbelieving heart and returne to the Lord and he will have mercy on you and to our God for hee will abundantly pardon you Be not like your fathers who hardned their faces more than a rocke and would not returne to the Lord but dealt wickedly against the Lord the God of their fathers who delivered them to be spoiled as you see it at this day I beseech you harden not your necks as you have done hitherto but give your hands to the Lord and acknowledge that Christ is sent for the salvation of all men who shall beleeve in him the Lord our God is gratious and mercifull who will not turne away his face from you if yee returne to him Iew You shal never perswade me to receive your faith and believe in your Christ for that which you beleeve no reason can comprehend neither any man understand For how shal I beleeve that the Creator of heaven and earth and all things that are in them shut himselfe up in the wombe of a Iewish Virgin grew nine moneths and was borne a child and afterward increased in stature and was delivered into the hands of his enemies who condemned him with the judgement of death slew him on the Crosse and yee afterward say and beleeve that he lived again and returned to his former state neither the mind of a Iew neither can any man comprehend this therefore you spend your words in vaine seeing that these things have no likelihood of truth Christian Knowest thou not that nothing is unpossible to God verily all those things which you have now mentioned are in the Prophets but wrapt in the covering of words for thus saith the Prophet Isaias Behold a virgin shall conceive and beare a son and shall call his name Immanuel And in another place hee saith Hee was wounded for our transgressions he was bruised for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was