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A81806 A full relation of the passages concerning the late treaty for a peace, begun at Vxbridge January 30. 1644. England and Wales. Sovereign (1625-1649 : Charles I). 1645 (1645) Wing D2480A; Thomason E281_12; ESTC R200042 160,709 240

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