Horse appointed to joyne therewith whereunto they shall returne when the service is done And that no Officer of the Scottish Army shall be Commanded by one of his owne quality and if the Commanders of the Troopes so sent out of either Army be of one Quality that they Command the Party by turnes And it is neverthelesse provided That the whole Scottish Army may be called out of the Province of Vlster and the Horses appointed to joyne with them by His Majesties Lievtenant of Ireland or other Cheife Governour or Governours of that Kingdom for the time being if he or they shall thinke fit before the Rebellion be totally suppressed therein Eleventh It is agreed That the Scottish Army shall be entertained by the English for three moneths from the Twentieth of Iune last and so along after untill they be discharged and that they shall have a moneths Pay advanced when they are first Mustered in Ireland and thereafter shall be duly paid from Month to Month And that there shall be one Muster-Master appointed by the English Muster-Master Generall to make strict and frequent Musters of the Scottish Army and that what Companies of Men shall be sent out of Scotland within the compasse of the ten Thousand Men shall be paid upon their Musters in Ireland although they make not up compleat Regiments Twelfth It is agreed That the Scottish Army shall receive their discharge from the King and Parliament of England or from such Persons as shall be appointed and authorized by His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament for that purpose And that there shall be a Moneths warning before hand of their disbanding which said discharge and Moneths warning shall be made knowne by His Majesty and them to the Councell of Scotland or the Lord Chancellour a Moneth before the discharging thereof And that the Common Souldiers of the Scottish at their dismission shall be allowed fourteen dayes Pay for carrying of them home Thirteenth It is provided and agreed That at any time after the three Moneths now agreed upon for the entertainment of the Scottish Army shall be Expired and that the two Houses of Parliament or such Persons as shall be authorized by them shall give notice to the Councell of Scotland or to the Lord Chancellor there That after one Moneth from such notice given the said two Houses of Parliament will not pay the said Scottish Army now in Ireland any longer then the said two Houses of Parliament shall not be obleiged to pay the said Army any longer then during the said Moneth Any thing in this Treaty contained to the Contrary notwithstanding The Ordinances of the 9th of March and 11th of Aprill Die Sabbati 9. Martii 1644. Resolved upon the Question by the Lords and Commons in Parliament Assembled THat he who doth or shall command in chiefe over the said VIII Army by joynt advice of both Kingdoms shall also command the rest of the Brittish Forces in Ireland And for the further managing of that Warre and prosecuting the ends expressed in the Covenant That the same be done by joynt advice with the Committees of both Kingdomes Die Iovis 11. April 1644. Resolved upon the Question by the Lords and Commons in Parliament Assembled THat the Earle of Leven Lord Generall of the Scots Forces in Ireland being now by the Votes of both Houses agreed to be Commander in Chiefe over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots according to the Fourth Article of the result of the Committees of both Kingdoms passed both Houses be desired with all convenient speed by the advice of the said Committees to appoynt and nominate a Commander in chiefe under his Excellency over the said Forces to reside with them upon the place Resolved c. THat Committees be nominated and appointed by the joynt advice of both Kingdomes of such numbers and Qualities as shall be by them agreed on to be sent with all convenient speed to reside with the said Forces and inabled with all ample Instructions by the joynt advice of both Kingdoms for the Regulating of the said Forces and the better carrying on of that Warre The Letter of the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland to the Speaker of the House of Commons in England 4. Aril 1643. a Duplicate whereof the originall being sent to Westminster was by them sent to Mr Secretary Nicholas for His Majesty SIR OVr very good Lord the Lord Marquesse of Ormond having IX in his march in his last expedition consulted severall times with the Commanders and Officers of the Army in a Councell of Warre and so finding that subsistence could not be had abroad for the Men and Horses he had with him or for any considerable part of them it was resolved by them that his Lordship with those Forces should returne hither which he did on the sixe and twentieth of March. In his returne from Rosse which in the case our Forces stand he found so difficult to be taken in as although our Ordinance made a breach in their walls it was found necessary to desert the Siege he was encountred by an Army of the Rebels consisting of about sixe thousand Foot and sixe hundred and fifty Horse well Armed and Horsed yet it pleased God so to disappoint their Councells and strength as with those small Forces which the Lord Marquesse had with him being of fighting men about two thousand five hundred Foot and five hundred Horse not well armed and for the most part weakly horsed and those as well Men as Horses much weakned by lying in the fields severall nights in much Cold and Raine and by want of mans-meat and horse-meat the Lord Marquesse obtained a happy and glorious deliverance and Victory against those Rebells wherein were slaine about three hundred of them and many of their Commanders and others of quality and divers taken Prisoners and amongst those Prisoners Colonell Cullen a Native of this City who being a Colonell in France departed from thence and came hither to assist the Rebels and was Lievtenant Generall of their Army in the Province of Leinster and the Rebels Army were totally Routed and defeated and their Baggage and Munition seized on by His Majesties Forces who lodged that night where they had gained the Victory and on our side about Twenty slaine in the fight and divers wounded We have great cause to praise God for magnifying his goodnesse and mercy to his Majesty and this his Kingdome so manifestly and indeed wonderfully in that Victory However the joy due from us upon so happy an occasion is we confesse mingled with very great distraction here in the apprehension of our unhappinesse to be such as although the Rebels are not able to overcome His Majesties Army and devoure his other good Subjects here as they desire yet both his Army and good Subjects are in danger to be devoured by the wants of needfull Supplies forth of England for as we formerly signified thither those Forces were of necessity sent
preservation of His Maiesties Protestant Subiects there we being very willing to concurre with your Lordships in any iust and honourable way for the good and settlement of that miserable Kingdome And together with this last the King's Commissioners delivered in this other Paper 20. February HAving given your Lordships cleare Reasons why the CLXXII Cessation which hath been made in Ireland is not in reason or â—ustice to be made voyd and that the making voyd thereof if the same might be done is not or cannot be for the benefit or advantage of His Maiesties Protestant Subiects in that Kingdome so long as the unhappy Warres in this Kingdome continue To the other part of your Lordships first Paper concerning Ireland for the prosecution of the Warre there to be setled in both Houses of the Parliament of England to be managed by the ioynt advice of both Kingdomes and His Maiesty to assist we say That it appeares by the other Papers delivered to us by your Lordships as the Articles of the Treaty of the sixth of August and the Ordinances of the eleventh of April and ninth of March and otherwise That the intent is that that Warre shall be managed by a joynt Committee of both Kingdomes and that the Committee of each Kingdome shall have a Negative voyce and consequently it is very probable that upon difference of Opinion between them that Warre may stand still or to the utter ruine of His Maiesties good Subjects there be absolutely dissolv'd For whereas your Lordships say That in case of such disagreement the Houâ—es of the Parliament of England may prosecute the War as they shall think fit observing the Treaty of the sixth of August 1642. and the Ordinance of the 11th of April your Lordships well know that by that Treaty and that Ordinance the two Houses of the Parliament of England alone cannot prosecute that Warre that Ordinance of the 11 of April expresly making the Earle of Leven the Scots Generall Commander in cheife of all Forces in that Kingdom both Brittish and Scottish without any reference unto His Majestie or His Lievtenant of that Kingdome and diâ—ecting that the Warre shall be managed by the Committee of both Kingdoms without any other reference to the two Houses of the Parliament of England and therefore we cannot consent that such an Act of Parliament be passed for the confirmation of that Treaty or the Ordinance of the 11th of April as your Lordships propose by reason that thereby all His Majesties authority would be wholly taken away in that Kingdom And in truth that whole Kingdom be thereby delivered into the hands of His Maiesties Subiects of Scotland which we conceive is neither just prudent or honourable to be done And we are of opinion that it is not agreeable to His Majesties honour or the justice and protecttion which He owes to His Subiects of His Kingdom of Ireland to put the nomination of His Lievtenant and Iudges of that Kingdom out of Him selfe and to committ the whole power of that Kingdom to others and to binde Himselfe to passe all such Acts of Parliament as any time hereafter shall be presented to Him for raising of Moneys and other things necessary for the prosecution of the War in that Kingdom which your Lordships say in your paper the 9th of this instant you intend by those words His Maiestie to assist in your first paper And we conceive it cannot be expected that His Maiestie should consent to an Act of Parliament for prosecution of the War in Ireland to be managed by the advice of the Houses of Parliament here and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland so long as the War in this Kingdom shall continue For these and many other reasons we conceive it doth appâ—aâ—e to your Lordships that the Propositions as they are delivered to us by your Lordships are by no meanes fit to be consented to and therefore we desire your Lordships to make other Propositions to us which may be for the preservation and releif of His Majesties Protestant Subjects there and for the settlement of that Kingdom in which we shall very readily concurr and we shall be very willing that the businesse of that Kingdom shall after a Peace setled in this be taken into consideration and ordered as His Maiestie and both Houses of Parliament here shall think fit Their Answers to these two Papers Their Paper 20. Feb. VVE expected that your Lordships would have bin fully satisfied CLXXIII by what we have alleadged against His Majesties power to make the Cessation with the Rebells in Ireland and wâ— cannot find those important reasons which your Lordships mentioned to have induced His Majesty so to do or that thereby His Majesties Protestant Subiects there have bin preserved or subsisted but we have made it evident that this Cessation tended to the utter destruction of the Protestants in that Kingdom as we conceived was designed by those who advised His Majesty thereunto and we observe your Lordships urge that this Cessation was the onely meanes for the subsistance of the Protestants there when it cannot be denyed but that very many of the Protestants in Vlster Munster Connaught have yet subsisted although they have refused to submit to the Cessation opposed the same as the meanes intended for their ruine and we do affirme unto your Lordships that the 2 Houses of Parliament have bin so far from failing to supply His Majesties good Subjects in that Kingdom that although His Majesties Forces have as much as lay in their power endeavoured to prevent the same and have taken to themselves that which was provided for those whom your Lordships mention to have bin in so great want and extremity yâ—t the two Houses not discouraged thereby have constantly sent great proportions of all necessary supplyes unto the Protestants there whereby they have subsisted and have very lately sent thither and have already provided to be speedily sent after in Money Victuals Clothes Ammunition and other necessaries to the value of seavenscore thousand pounds And they have not desired any other provision from His Majestie but what he was well able to afford herein only His Assistance and consent in joyning with His two Houses of Parliament for the better â—nabling them in the prosecution of that Warre and we are so far from apprehending any impossibility of reducing that Kingdom dureing the unhappy Distractions here that although many of the Forces provided by the two Houses for that end were diverted and imployed against the Parliament to the increasing of our distractions yet the Protestants in Ireland have subsisted and do still subsist and we have just cause cause to beleive that if this Cessation had not bin obteyned by the Rebels and that in the time of their greatest wants that these Forces had not bin withdrawn they might in probability have subdued those bloody Rebels and finished the War in that Kingdome For the pretended necessities offered as grounds of this
other necessaries for the setling of the true Protestant Religion in that Kingdom only we think it unreasonable that His Majesty should engage Himself as is proposed to passe all such Acts as shall be presented to Him before He know whether such Acts are reasonable or no and whether those other necessaries may not comprehend what in truth is not only unnecessary but very inconvenient neither will the Argament that the moneys are to be raised from His Subiects without any charg to Himselfe seeme reasonable to His Maiesty His Maiesty considering His owne charge much lesse then the damage and pressures which may thereby befall His good Subjects the preserving them from which is His Maiesties most sollicitous earnest desire and we cannot but wonder that your Lordships should conceive any expressions made by us concerning the prosecution of that War of Ireland to be unagreeable to the zeale of persons abundantly sensible of the Bloud horror of that Rebellion we agree with you they have broken the Lawes of God and man their Faith their Alleagiance the bonds of Charity rules of Humanity and humane Society and we heartily wish that it were in His Majesties power to do Iustice upon and make up those breaches of all those rules and bonds and to that purpose we have desired to be satisfied by your Lordships what probable course may be taken for the remedying those mischeifs and preserving the remainder of His Maiesties good Protestant Subiects but without doubt the prosecution of that War so much depends upon the condition and distractions of His Maiesties other Kingdoms that the information your Lordships gives us of the negotiation with Spaine and other States for delivering up that Kingdome from His Maiesties obedience into the hands of Strangers deserves the most strict consideration how His Majesties two other Kingdoms can be applyed to the releife of the third whil'st these distractions are in their owne Bowels and the continuance of the miseries in the two must render those in the third remedilosse if it be not preserved by some other meanes then the prosecution of the Warre neither can it be foreseen or determined what help or Assistance either party may make use of where it findes it selfe oppressed and over-powred by the other especially when it calls in any help and leaves no meanes unattempted to destroy the other And we beseech your Lordships in the Bowells of Christian Charity and compassion and in the name of him who is the Prince of Peace and who will make an inquisition for blood to consider whether all our endeavours ought not to be to stop these bloody issues in all His Majesties Dominions and whether the just God of Heaven who for our sinnes hath made the severall Nations under His Majesties Government to be Scourges of one another and of His Majesty himselfe under whose Obedience they should all live can be delighted with the sacrifice of blood and the blood of Christians and whether it would not be more agrecable to our Christian profession to endeavour the binding up of those wounds which interests passion and animosity have made We desire your Lordships to consider these things and to make such Propositions to us concerning Ireland since it is apparent that those already made by you are by no meanes fit to be consented to as may be for the growth and propogation of the true Protestant Religion the Peace and happinesse of that Kingdom and the wellfare of all His Majesties Dominions The last of the six daies concerning Ireland being now spent being the last of the 18 appointed to treat upon Religion Militia and Ireland by three daies a peece Alternis vicibus according to the order formerly proposed the two remaining daies were imployed for the most part concerning Religion but towards the end of these two daies being the last of the Treaty about 12. of the clock at night they delivered in these two following Papers concerning Ireland in Answer to the two last Papers Their Paper 22. Feb. VVE are very sorry that your Lordships should continue CLXX VII in that opinion That it was necessary to make the Cessation in Ireland when by undeniable proofs and consideration of all circumstances it is most cleare that the necessities alleadged for grounds of that Cessation were made by designe of the Popish and Prelaticall party in England and Ireland who so wickedly contrived the same that the provisions sent thither by the Parliament for reliefe of His Majesties good Subjects in reland were disposed of and afforded to the Rebells there in their greatest wants and then when your Lordships affirme the Protestants to be in so great extremity and even at that time also when the Officers of our Army and Garrisons pressing for leave to March into the Enemies Country to live upon them and save their own stores some who were driven forth had great quantities of provisions out with them yet were not permitted to March into the Enemies Country but kept neare Dublin untill their Provisions were spent and then commanded back againe others could not obtaine leave to goe forth but were commanded to stay at home that their own provisions might be the sooner consumed and thereby the necessity made greater Notwithstanding by the care of hoth Houses of Parliament here for their supply they were able to subsist and did subsist at the time of that Cessation although the making thereof reduced them to farre greater necessities then otherwise they could have suffered besides the notorious advantage thereby to the Rebels when their wants and extremities were most pressing And we should not againe have troubled your Lordships with these answers had they not been caused by your own repetition of the Letters of part whereof you have given us Copies though not the knowledge of the Persons from whom they came only you were pleased to mention the Lords Iustices and Councell there yet we are assured even by some who were of the Councell at that time when the Letters were written that the same was done only to presse for supplies from hence without the least intention in them of inducing a Cessation neither doe the Copies containe any thing tending to a Cessation or the least mention thereof And we have cause to grieve not onely at what your Lordships expresse concerning the complaints from Ireland and their great extremities but that the same being procured and increased by the Popish Party yet we should find such earnest endeavours to lay the blame and neglect therein upon the two Houses of Parliament here who have been so zealous for their reliefe and whose onely care under the blessing of God hath been their preservation and that in the heat of our owne miserable Distractions have continued their Supplies and from our owne great wants have not spared to afford our Brethren there the meanes of their subsistance The Protestants in Munster Connaught and Vister who opposed this Cessation were many of them English and both they
for executing of other legall Acts may not onely be lyable to the interpretation of being disturbers of the publique Peace but feele the punishment of it And whereas they say That the Power given by the Propositions to the Commissioners for the Militia of both Kingdomes as a joynt Committee for the hearing and determining Civill Actions and differences cannot be extended further then preservation of the Articles of the Peace to be made We conceive that a Court being thereby allowed to them for the hearing and determining of Civill matters for the preservation of the Articles of the Peace they may in order thereunto upon pretence it is for the preservation of the Peace entertaine and determine any cause or difference they please especially their power by the Propositions being not onely to preserve the Peace but to prevent the violation of the Articles of the Peace and having the power of the Sword in their hands and being not tyed up to any certain Law whereby to judge for ought appeares by their answers to the questions proposed by Our Commissioners and the common Law not being the rule in such case because part of them are to be of the Scottish Nation they may without controll exercise what arbitrary power they please And whereas it is insisted upon in this paper That an answer be given to the fifteenth Proposition which is that the Subjects be appointed to be Armed Trayned and Disciplined in such manner as both Houses shall think fit which Our Commissioners thought fit to have deferred till after the Peace established and then to be setled by Vs and the two Houses It is apparent that Proposition concerned not that which was desired as the end of their Propositions the security for the observation of the Articles and We conceive there is already sufficient provision made by the Law in such cases if there were not it were fit that that defect were supplied by Law not to be left at large as the two Houses should think fit without expressing the manner of it but to proceed by a Bill wherein we might see before we consented to it how Our Subjects should be charged we being as much concerned and sensible of the burden to be put upon Our Subjects as the two Houses can be who We are sure since they took upon them the authority of imposing upon their fellow Subjects without Vs have laid the heaviest Impositions that ever were And whereas they say the scope of these their Propositions touching the Militia was to take away occasions of future differences to prevent the raising of Armes and to settle a firme and durable Peace If we look upon the whole frame of their Militia as they have proposed it to us we cannot but conclude those Propositions to be most destructive to those ends For first they have proposed it to us as they have setled it already by their Ordinance That the whole Militia of â—reland as well of Our English Subjects as Scottish shall be Commanded by Lesley Earle of Leven their Scottish Generall and be managed by the joâ—nt advice of the Scottish and English Commissioners and therein the Scottish as well as the English to have a Negative Voyce and so by consequence subjecting the whole Government of that Kingdome to the manage of Our Scottish Subjects And having thus ordered the Militia of Ireland where they will be sure to keep Forces on Foot for that is another part of the Propositions That We shall Assent to whatsoever Acts shall be proposed for monyes for the Warre of Ireland which Forces shall be ready upon all occasions to serve them For the Militia and Navy of England that is likewise to be ordered and Commanded by these Commissioners and though We their Soveraigne are denyed to nominate any to be joynt Commissioners they are content to admit those of Scotland who though Our Subjects yet are strangers to their Government to a nomination of Scottish Commissioners to be joyned with them These Scottish Commissioners in matters wherein both Kingdomes are joyntly concerned and they may easily call and make what they will to be of joynt concernment are to have a Negative Voyce so that the English can doe nothing without them not so much as to raise Force to suppresse a Commotion or prevent an invasion if the Scottish Commissioners though not a third part of the number of the English say it is of joynt concernment And in matters solely concerning England the Scottish Commissioners to a third part of the whole number of the Commissioners are to reside in England and to Vote as single Persons These Commissioners as well Scottish as English as they have the sole power of the Forces by Sea and Land so they must have a Court in a Civill way to hear and determine whatsoever Civill action that shall tend to the preservation of the peace or whatsoever else is for the prevention of the violation of it within which generall words and in order thereunto they may comprehend any cause or thing they please And as these Commissioners as well Scottish as English are to name all Commanders and Officers in Our Forts and Ships so in the intervalls of Parliament lest there should be too much dependance upon us they are to name all the great Officers Iudges of both Our Kingdomes of England and Ireland To these so unreasonable Propositions wherein the Parliament and Subjects of Scotland would have so great an influence and power over the Kingdomes of England and Ireland if as reflecting meerly upon our selves and not entertaining such thoughts of our Scottish Subjects as perhaps some may by the danger of such a power we should have agreed as hoping that the good affections of our Subjects in Scotland might in time have restored us to that power which the two Houses of England would take away yet when we consider that we are in conscience obliged to maintaine the Rights of Our Crowne so farre as to be able to protect Our Subjects and what jealousies and heartburnings it might probably produce betwixt Our Subjects of the two Kingdomes what reluctancy all Our Subjects here may have when they shall see Our Power so shaken and they must have so much dependency upon their fellow subjects both English and Scotch We conceive it so farre from being a remedy to the present distempers as they affirme in their papers that as at present it would alter the whole frame and conditution of the Governement of this Kingdome both Civill and Military so in the conclusion it would occasion the ruine and desolation of all Our Kingdomes HIS MAJESTIES ANSWER See these in the Narative no. 177. 178. to the two Papers concerning Ireland IT hath been one of the chiefest designes of the Authors of the present distractions to insinuate unto our people that We were either privy to the Rebellion in Ireland or assenting to the continuance of it And if it could not be personally fixed upon Our selfe yet
taken for Apocryphall doctrine not to take up Armes against their Frince upon any pretence whatsoever And as we have endeavoured by Our Personall example otherwise so we shall still continue by all good meanes to propagate the Protestant Religion but we are farre from that Mahumetane doctrine that we ought to propagate Our Religion by the Sword And though We shall be most willing to hearken to the advice of Our People Assembled in a free Parliament yet we should be wanting to the Trust that God hath reposed in Vs and Our use of that reason with which he hath endowed Vs if We should wholly give up that Kingdome to be managed solely by their Counsells secluding Our Selves from all Interest therein especially when We consider that which experience hath taught Vs if they have the sole power of that Warre by which all the Souldiers and Commanders being to be nominated and paid removed and advanced by them the necessary application passing by Vâ— must be made to such as are powerfull with them how easie a matter it will be for a prevalent Faction if they shall have a mind to demand other things hereafter not fit to be granted againe to bring over an Army raised and payed by them into this Kingdome especially so much composed of Our Scottish Subjects And whereas they desire further The nomination of the Lord Lievtenant and other great Officers and Judges in that Kingdome which they also desire in this of England they cannot but know that it must oâ— necessity take away all dependency upon Vs and application to Vs when the power to reward those who are worthy of publique Trust shall be transferred to others and having neither force left Vs to punish nor power to reward We shall be in effect a titular contemptible Prince We shall leave all Our Ministers to the knowne Lawes of the Land to be tryed and punished according to those Lawes if they shall offend but We cannot consent to put so great a Trust and Power out of Vs and we have just cause to conceive that notwithstanding all their speciouâ— pretences this desire of nomination of those great Officers is but a cloke to cover the Ambition of those who having been the Boutefeux of this Rebellion desire to advance themselves and their owne Faction And to that which is said that Our bad choice of Our Lievtenants of Ireland was the losse of many thousand Lives there and almost of the whole Kingdome from Our Obedience They cannot but witnesse who know that Kingdome that during the Government there by Lievtenants of Our Choyce that Kingdome enjoyed more plenty and Peace then it ever had since it was under the subjection to the Crowne of England Traffique by Sea and Trade by Land encreased Values of Land improved Shipping multiplyed beyond beliefe Never was the Protestant Religion more advanced nor the Protestant protected in greater security against the Papists And We must remember them that that Rebellion was begun when there was no Lievtenant there and when the Power and Government which had been formerly used in that Kingdome was questioned and disgraced when those in the Parliament there by whom that Rebellion was hatched were countenanced in their Complaints and prosecution But they are not content to demand all the power over Ireland and the nomination of all Officers but We must also engage Our Selfe to passe such Acts as shall be presented to Vs for raising of Monyes and other necessaries for that Warre Our former readinesse to passe Acts for Ireland because they were advised by the two Houses when they were apparently prejudiciall to Our Selfe and contrary to Our owne Judgement might sufficiently satisfie them We would make no difficulty to consent to such Acts as should be for the good of that Kingdome but they have been already told it was unreasonable to make a generall engagement before we saw the Acts whether reasonable or no and whether those other necessaries may not in truth comprehend what is not onely unnecessary but very inconvenient But the People they say who have trasted them with their Purse will never begrudge what they make them lay out upon that occasion The two Houseâ— indeed were entrusted that Our Subjects should not be charged without them but they never were solely trusted by Our Subjects with a power to chaâ—ge them the care that no pressure in that or any other kind should be upon Our Subjects is principally in Vs without whose consent notwithstanding the late contrary and unexampled practice no such charge can or ought to be levyed and we ought not to give that consent â—ut where it is visible for the good of Our Kingdomes which upon such an unbounded power of raising Monyes may fall out otherwise especially in so unusuall a casâ— as this where those who must have the sole manage of the Warre shall have the sole command of the Purse without any châ—ck or controll upon them But they say againe We have heretofore been possessed against the Parliament for not giving away the Money of the Subject when We had desired it but never yet did We restraine them from it It is true We had no great cause heretofore to restraine the two Houses from giving the Subjects Money to Vs having found more difficulty to obtaine from them three or foure Subsidies then they have met with in raising so many Millions But Our People cannot think themselves well dealt with by Vs if We shall consent to put an unlimited power of raising what Monyes they please in those Persons who have drayned more wealth from them in foure yeares then We beleeve all the Supplies given to the Crowne in 400 yeares before have amounted unto In the last place We wish every man to consider how the Rebels in Ireland can be reduced by War whilst these unhappy distractions continue here whilst contrary Forces and Armies are raised in most parts of this Kingdom and the bloud of Our People is spils like water upon the ground whil'st the Kingdom in wasted by Souldiers and the people exhausted by maintaining them and as if this Kingdom were not sufficient to destroy it self whilest on Army of Scots is brought into the bowels of this Kingdom and maintained at the charg of it whil'st this Kingdom labours under such a War how is it possible that a considerable supply of men or money can be sent into Ireland To this with much fervour of expression they say It must not depend upon the condition of Our other Kingdoms to reveng Gods quarrell upon such perfidious Enemies to the Gospell of Christ who have embrewed their hands in so much Protestant bloud That the Cessation is for their advantage Armes and Ammunition and all manner of Commodities may be brought to them That it is not fit there be any agreement of Peace or respite from hostility with such creatures as are not fit to live more then with Wolves or Tygers or any ravenous Beasts destroyers of mankind We are