Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	church_n	just_a	whole_a	2,767	5	6.2168	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A42146	The searchers for schism search'd, or, Their pretended questions for conscience sake answered wherein is proved that those baptized congregations under laying on of hands are not guilty of schism in separating from them : shewing, in opposition to their threeforld hypothesis, that their church constitution is not true, separation from them proved lawful, the truth and authority of the doctrine about which they separate, vindicated / humbly presented to all concerned [by] J. Griffith ...	Griffith, John, 1622?-1700.	1669 (1669)	Wing G2003; ESTC R41670	59,153	128

the_o searcher_n for_o schism_n search_v or_o their_o pretend_a question_n for_o conscience_n sake_n answer_v wherein_o be_v prove_v that_o those_o baptise_a congregation_n under_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v not_o guilty_a of_o schism_n in_o separate_v from_o they_o show_v supposition_n to_o their_o threefold_a hypothesis_n 1_o that_o their_o church_n constitution_n be_v not_o true_a 2_o separation_n from_o they_o prove_v lawful_a 3_o the_o truth_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o doctrine_n about_o which_o they_o separate_a vindicate_v humble_o present_v to_o all_o concern_v j._n griffith_n a_o cordial_a desirer_n of_o the_o flourish_a 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o church_n in_o unity_n and_o peace_n with_o 〈◊〉_d and_o truth_n but_o societas_fw-la in_o 〈…〉_o tantum_fw-la ab●st_fw-la ab_fw-la 〈◊〉_d pl●…_n n●…aria_fw-la con_v 〈…〉_o pariter_fw-la 〈…〉_o prov._n 18_o 17._o he_o that_o be_v first_o in_o his_o own_o cause_n seem_v just_a but_o his_o neighbour_n come_v and_o search_v he_o print_a for_o the_o author_n 1669._o to_o the_o baptise_a disciple_n not_o under_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v hearty_o wish_v the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o sincere_a love_n with_o submission_n to_o the_o whole_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n desire_v in_o the_o way_n of_o truth_n when_o we_o first_o see_v your_o book_n read_v the_o title_n and_o how_o you_o pretend_v your_o question_n be_v for_o conscience_n sake_n we_o think_v silence_n for_o some_o time_n will_v be_v the_o best_a answer_n consider_v what_o have_v former_o pass_v between_o we_o about_o the_o difference_n still_o depend_v and_o the_o present_a face_n of_o thing_n as_o they_o now_o show_v themselves_o in_o the_o world_n but_o when_o we_o come_v to_o take_v a_o view_n of_o your_o epistle_n find_v it_o write_v by_o some_o spirit_n enrage_v rather_o than_o one_o desirous_a of_o satisfaction_n from_o any_o serious_a sober_a conscientious_a scruple_n or_o doubt_v we_o be_v invite_v the_o more_o to_o consider_v your_o question_n and_o find_v they_o to_o strike_v at_o the_o root_n fill_v with_o animosity_n taunt_a and_o insult_a term_n rather_o than_o a_o spirit_n so_o much_o as_o sprinkle_v with_o conscious_a candid_a and_o serious_a aim_n though_o you_o give_v yourselves_o the_o name_n as_o the_o obscure_a parent_n of_o this_o in_o some_o sense_n abortive_a child_n of_o the_o lover_n of_o truth_n and_o peace_n which_o bespeak_v the_o babe_n both_o conceive_v and_o bring_v forth_o under_o the_o melevolent_a aspect_n of_o some_o froward_a contentious_a and_o yet_o pretend_v glorious_a and_o christian_n design_n your_o epistle_n which_o as_o the_o midwife_n that_o bring_v the_o child_n into_o the_o world_n we_o find_v usher_n it_o in_o with_o calumination_n so_o foul_a and_o of_o such_o a_o sort_n as_o if_o it_o be_v intend_v to_o scale_v rome_n wall_n and_o bid_v defiance_n to_o the_o man_n there_o that_o usurp_v the_o key_n of_o heaven_n and_o hell_n and_o withal_o that_o way_n may_v be_v make_v for_o its_o more_o laudable_a entrance_n and_o progress_n she_o no_o soon_o speak_v but_o like_o athalia_fw-la she_o cry_v treason_n treason_n the_o lord_n prerogative_n be_v invade_v when_o alas_o she_o be_v the_o traitor_n herself_o and_o then_o she_o march_v on_o and_o proclaim_v they_o she_o be_v send_v to_o with_o so_o much_o pretend_a calmness_n to_o be_v like_o the_o man_n at_o rome_n usurper_n of_o the_o key_n of_o hell_n and_o death_n but_o how_o much_o the_o mark_n be_v miss_v be_v evident_a enough_o for_o who_o more_o free_a and_o ready_a to_o stop_v up_o the_o way_n to_o hell_n and_o open_v the_o way_n to_o heaven_n so_o far_o as_o lie_v in_o they_o by_o all_o the_o ability_n they_o have_v and_o endeavour_n they_o can_v use_v than_o they_o who_o you_o brand_v with_o the_o aforesaid_a usurpation_n though_o we_o will_v not_o make_v the_o road_n to_o heaven_n as_o the_o foolish_a woman_n and_o clamourous_a do_v the_o way_n to_o her_o house_n say_v steal_v water_n be_v sweet_a and_o bread_n eat_v in_o secret_a be_v pleasant_a to_o her_o guest_n and_o though_o your_o babes-usher_n have_v get_v the_o knack_n on_o it_o to_o clamour_n with_o so_o much_o scurrility_n by_o such_o oily_a line_n perhaps_o borrow_v from_o some_o other_o pen_n yet_o be_v it_o a_o argument_n of_o a_o weak_a cause_n rather_o than_o otherwise_o it_o be_v usual_a when_o there_o be_v no_o better_a weapon_n to_o make_v use_n of_o such_o with_o this_o gloss_n the_o lord_n prerogative_n be_v invade_v and_o what_o will_v thou_o do_v to_o thy_o great_a name_n and_o the_o like_a when_o you_o yourselves_o be_v the_o invader_n of_o that_o royal_a prerogative_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v anoint_v by_o not_o suffer_v his_o princely_a authority_n to_o be_v obey_v without_o control_n from_o you_o and_o such_o his_o liege_n people_n to_o who_o his_o prerogative_n and_o name_n be_v more_o dear_a than_o their_o life_n as_o sufficient_a testimony_n have_v be_v give_v and_o further_o may_v through_o his_o grace_n shall_v he_o call_v for_o it_o you_o study_v against_o way_n of_o obtractation_n but_o how_o easy_a a_o matter_n be_v it_o for_o man_n to_o pretend_v to_o conscience_n in_o their_o own_o case_n and_o with_o the_o same_o pen_n bespatter_v the_o conscience_n of_o other_o with_o foul_a inormity_n of_o mere_a pretence_n under_o that_o cloak_n as_o if_o they_o make_v bate_v and_o pretend_a conscience_n but_o let_v the_o sober_a inspect_n this_o newborn_a babe_n and_o they_o will_v see_v makebate_n write_v in_o the_o face_n of_o he_o though_o it_o have_v conscience_n for_o its_o name_n and_o be_v surname_v a_o lover_n of_o truth_n and_o peace_n and_o do_v but_o trace_v it_o in_o its_o proceed_n and_o let_v but_o its_o conception_n be_v calculate_v and_o they_o will_v find_v it_o both_o conceive_v and_o bring_v forth_o to_o that_o end_n it_o be_v furnish_v with_o confidence_n sufficient_a to_o pass_v it_o without_o suspicion_n of_o be_v tardy_a of_o any_o such_o thing_n as_o makebate_n while_o it_o can_v talk_v of_o peace_n and_o unity_n among_o brethren_n and_o pretend_v to_o more_o than_o ordinary_a zeal_n to_o it_o and_o that_o it_o may_v go_v abroad_o without_o jealousy_n of_o the_o contrary_a all_o that_o stand_v in_o its_o way_n must_v be_v render_v as_o maintainer_n of_o notion_n catch_v up_o and_o charge_v upon_o conscience_n without_o regard_n have_v to_o the_o interest_n of_o religion_n yea_o and_o rent_v and_o run_v away_o from_o all_o that_o agree_v not_o with_o they_o when_o there_o be_v nothing_o less_o intend_v by_o you_o than_o to_o run_v division_n among_o we_o that_o be_v unite_v in_o that_o thing_n under_o debate_n and_o for_o the_o more_o effectual_a accomplishment_n of_o this_o design_n we_o must_v also_o be_v render_v as_o such_o that_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o judge_v all_o that_o come_v not_o up_o to_o the_o same_o dimension_n with_o we_o not_o to_o have_v god_n nor_o to_o have_v communion_n with_o god_n when_o our_o judgement_n in_o that_o case_n be_v those_o that_o transgress_v and_o abide_v not_o in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n have_v not_o god_n as_o his_o church_n have_v not_o that_o thereby_o you_o or_o any_o man_n be_v judge_v by_o we_o to_o have_v or_o not_o to_o have_v god_n and_o as_o for_o you_o we_o have_v before_o give_v our_o testimony_n that_o we_o can_v and_o do_v love_v you_o for_o the_o truth_n sake_n you_o own_o so_o far_o as_o you_o have_v go_v or_o so_o far_o as_o you_o do_v own_o the_o truth_n but_o we_o can_v nay_o we_o dare_v not_o love_v you_o with_o the_o love_n of_o brethren_n in_o the_o true_a and_o right_a order_n of_o the_o gospel_n see_v god_n oracle_n and_o christ_n doctrine_n page_n 94._o then_o have_v you_o no_o cause_n to_o render_v we_o as_o judge_v all_o but_o ourselves_o in_o no_o sense_n to_o have_v god_n nor_o communion_n with_o god_n and_o if_o you_o have_v better_a argument_n to_o prove_v your_o in_o erest_n in_o christ_n than_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n we_o have_v no_o cause_n to_o grieve_v at_o it_o but_o to_o rejoice_v and_o can_v with_o all_o our_o heart_n wish_v you_o have_v for_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n can_v be_v none_o for_o you_o and_o it_o will_v be_v well_o if_o it_o be_v none_o against_o you_o who_o have_v so_o long_o oppose_v it_o with_o so_o much_o bitterness_n as_o you_o have_v do_v and_o and_o still_o do_v but_o be_v we_o esteem_v your_o friend_n or_o your_o enemy_n for_o say_v you_o be_v not_o a_o church_n right_o constitute_v and_o so_o have_v not_o god_n as_o his_o church_n we_o must_v still_o say_v it_o until_o our_o judgement_n and_o conscience_n be_v otherwise_o persuade_v by_o his_o word_n and_o if_o you_o will_v not_o believe_v what_o we_o say_v we_o must_v leave_v it_o to_o the_o revelation_n of_o the_o righteous_a judgement_n of_o the_o lord_n

you_o without_o any_o opposit●●●_n from_o you_o will_v these_o thing_n you_o call_v condescension_n make_v you_o a_o right_n constitute_v chu●_n that_o want_v a_o right_a constitution_n before_o ●●sides_n these_o condescension_n may_v be_v just_a ●_o christian_n and_o candid_a as_o he_o be_v that_o desire_v ●_o come_v under_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n confess_v i●_n be_v one_o of_o the_o first_o rudiment_n of_o christian_a mention_v afore_o 5._o for_o there_o be_v cause_n to_o suspect_v that_o t●_n condescension_n of_o you_o be_v rather_o than_o c●●●stian_n and_o candid_a design_n to_o raze_v out_o that_o ●_o of_o the_o foundation_n viz._n lay_v on_o of_o han●_n that_o be_v raze_v out_o the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o ●_o time_n or_o divide_v they_o about_o it_o that_o be_v unde●_n as_o appear_v by_o what_o some_o of_o you_o have_v say_v at_o so●●_n certain_a time_n viz._n that_o in_o seven_o year_n tim●_n shall_v not_o have_v that_o esteem_n of_o lay_v on_o of_o han●_n now_o we_o have_v and_o another_o at_o another_o 〈◊〉_d shall_v say_v that_o the_o church_n will_v stand_v with_o ●…rs_n in_o their_o eye_n for_o their_o act_n these_o condescension_n then_o we_o say_v rather_o tend_v to_o the_o ●…tting_v lay_v on_o of_o hand_n and_o the_o esteem_n of_o 〈◊〉_d out_o of_o their_o heart_n that_o have_v submit_v to_o it_o ●…t_v so_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o may_v perish_v and_o die_v in_o ●…e_n or_o if_o not_o so_o in_o all_o yet_o then_o to_o cause_v a_o ●…ecessity_n of_o divide_v about_o it_o as_o great_a pretender_n as_o you_o be_v to_o peace_n and_o unity_n that_o thereby_o you_o may_v hide_v your_o disobedience_n to_o christ_n ●nd_v so_o pass_v for_o currant_n a_o right-constituted_n church_n 6._o what_o if_o some_o of_o you_o have_v desire_v to_o come_v ●…nder_n lay_v on_o of_o hand_n if_o they_o will_v make_v ●…nful_a condition_n and_o bring_v they_o to_o we_o with_o ●…eir_fw-mi desire_n we_o then_o have_v just_a cause_n to_o keep_v ●…em_n from_o so_o sacred_a a_o ordinance_n as_o lay_v on_o ●f_a hand_n be_v until_o they_o shall_v come_v to_o the_o obedience_n thereof_o upon_o christ_n term_n and_o condition_n deny_v themselves_o and_o their_o own_o 7._o our_o refuse_v then_o communion_n with_o you_o ●…ough_o whether_o in_o reality_n or_o pretence_n you_o have_v ●…ade_v such_o large_a and_o love_a condescension_n as_o ●ou_o call_v they_o since_o you_o still_o want_v that_o love_a condescension_n to_o christ_n in_o obey_v the_o voice_n ●f_n that_o great_a prophet_n do_v not_o make_v we_o guil●…_n of_o schism_n much_o less_o schism_n great_o aggravate_v quest_n 16._o whether_o there_o be_v not_o many_o among_o you_o that_o ●_o all_o they_o can_v to_o obstruct_v our_o reconciliation_n and_o ●dermine_v all_o our_o endeavour_n after_o unity_n cry●●_n down_o and_o condemn_v all_o but_o themselves_o lest_o t●_n shall_v most_o of_o all_o condemn_v themselves_o for_o mak●_n unnecessary_a division_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n l●●_n the_o painter_n in_o plutarch_n that_o have_v unskilful_o paint_v a_o cock_n afterward_o chase_v away_o all_o cock_n 〈◊〉_d hen_n lest_o the_o imperfection_n of_o his_o art_n shall_v ●_o discover_o and_o whether_o some_o among_o you_o in_o 〈◊〉_d manner_n have_v make_v this_o unskilful_a separation_n ●_o say_v no_o worse_o have_v not_o cast_v away_o all_o thought_n 〈◊〉_d tender_v of_o accommodation_n and_o they_o that_o tender_a ●_o lest_o their_o foul_a deformity_n of_o church-breaking_a sho●●●_n be_v detect_v answer_n 1._o we_o will_v and_o can_v without_o be_v ashame_n thereof_o free_o acknowledge_v that_o there_o 〈◊〉_d many_o we_o hope_v among_o we_o that_o do_v the_o best_a a●●_n all_o they_o can_v to_o obstruct_v such_o a_o reconciliation_n as_o you_o will_v have_v and_o to_o undermine_v as_o yo●_n call_v it_o though_o we_o have_v and_o will_v play_v abou●_o board_n and_o deal_v plain_o all_o your_o endeavour_n for_o unity_n upon_o your_o term_n of_o unity_n whi●_n will_v rather_o tend_v to_o a_o go_v back_o than_o a_o go_n on_o to_o perfection_n and_o will_v be_v rather_o ●_o combination_n against_o the_o god_n of_o order_n an●_n truth_n than_o a_o right_a well-approved_n reconciliation_n and_o unity_n which_o he_o will_v say_v amen_o to_o 2._o and_o in_o so_o do_v we_o cry_v up_o truth_n and_o not_o our_o ourselves_o otherwise_o then_o servant_n to_o it_o and_o lover_n of_o it_o know_v withal_o we_o be_v but_o unprofitable_a servant_n for_o when_o we_o have_v do_v all_o we_o have_v do_v no_o more_o than_o what_o be_v our_o duty_n to_o do_v nor_o do_v we_o cry_v down_o you_o nor_o any_o but_o as_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n do_v for_o your_o disobedience_n to_o christ_n we_o must_v not_o say_v light_n be_v darkness_n and_o darkness_n be_v light_a woe_n be_v to_o we_o if_o we_o shall_v 3._o neither_o do_v we_o obstruct_v your_o endeavour_n after_o reconciliation_n and_o unity_n from_o any_o self-condemnation_n of_o make_v division_n in_o the_o church_n know_v the_o guilt_n of_o church-dividing_a be_v not_o upon_o we_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o our_o own_o conscience_n not_o condemn_v we_o but_o justify_v we_o though_o you_o unjust_o do_v that_o you_o may_v cover_v yourselves_o under_o the_o mantle_n of_o man_n approbation_n which_o cover_v will_v be_v too_o narrow_a have_v you_o by_o your_o late_a endeavour_n obtain_v your_o end_n for_o your_o only_a way_n will_v be_v to_o lay_v your_o church-foundation_n right_a submit_v to_o that_o you_o have_v long_o quarrel_v about_o have_v respect_n to_o all_o the_o command_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n so_o will_v you_o approve_v yourselves_o to_o god_n and_o be_v unite_v to_o his_o people_n 4._o and_o as_o for_o your_o levity_n and_o flash_n about_o the_o painter_n and_o his_o cock_n we_o never_o drive_v you_o away_o as_o be_v ashamed_a of_o any_o thing_n we_o have_v ●one_n in_o separate_v from_o you_o but_o be_v always_o willing_a to_o meet_v the_o best_a of_o you_o in_o any_o place_n in_o public_a conference_n or_o otherwise_o by_o all_o way_n and_o mean_v we_o lawful_o may_v use_v that_o our_o practice_n may_v be_v see_v and_o try_v by_o the_o word_n and_o never_o upon_o that_o account_n chase_v away_o your_o cock_n nor_o no_o other_o but_o have_v give_v your_o battle_n again_o and_o again_o nor_o do_v we_o fear_v to_o let_v we_o be_v see_v be_v draw_v not_o by_o the_o unskilful_a painter_n in_o plutarch_n but_o by_o the_o lord_n jesus_n in_o the_o gospel_n and_o therefore_o if_o we_o chase_v you_o away_o from_o we_o in_o point_n of_o communion_n it_o be_v lest_o the_o deformity_n of_o your_o fabric_n have_v but_o a_o piece_n or_o part_v foundation_n shall_v bring_v we_o in_o time_n to_o the_o same_o deformity_n and_o disorder_n with_o you_o quest_n 17._o whether_o to_o break_v communion_n with_o or_o separate_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o a_o church_n of_o christ_n for_o some_o single_a error_n not_o essential_a to_o a_o church_n state_n be_v not_o a_o wound_a to_o the_o weak_a and_o a_o harden_v to_o the_o wicked_a whether_o it_o do_v not_o keep_v many_o out_o of_o the_o church_n that_o will_v come_v in_o and_o give_v occasion_n of_o go_v out_o to_o many_o that_o be_v in_o whether_o division_n from_o a_o true_a church_n be_v not_o a_o inlet_n to_o atheism_n and_o infidelity_n and_o whether_o all_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o eschew_v division_n as_o great_a reproach_n to_o christian_a religion_n answer_n 1._o a_o know_a error_n be_v not_o to_o be_v suffer_v not_o tolerate_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o by_o the_o same_o rule_n one_o may_v more_o may_v till_o the_o church_n be_v full_a of_o stink_a weed_n than_o choice_a flower_n and_o what_o will_v the_o weed_n do_v but_o eat_v out_o the_o live_n and_o thrive_a virtue_n of_o the_o flower_n we_o will_v not_o be_v so_o much_o the_o devil_n friend_n as_o to_o give_v he_o leave_v to_o plant_v much_o less_o to_o suffer_v any_o thing_n of_o his_o plant_n to_o grow_v in_o the_o lord_n garden_n error_n be_v of_o the_o father_n of_o lie_n 2._o error_n in_o the_o church_n though_o hold_v but_o by_o some_o if_o suffer_v threaten_v the_o ruin_n of_o the_o whole_a body_n thou_o have_v they_o there_o that_o hold_v the_o doctrine_n of_o balaam_n etc._n etc._n repent_v or_o else_o i_o will_v come_v quick_o etc._n etc._n error_n suffer_v in_o some_o member_n may_v defile_v the_o body_n and_o make_v it_o culpable_a of_o the_o sin_n of_o error_n and_o heresy_n a_o little_a leaven_n leaven_v the_o whole_a lump_n what_o will_v make_v the_o church_n of_o god_n such_o a_o sinful_a confuse_a unclean_a heap_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v soon_o than_o such_o a_o toleration_n 3._o yet_o such_o error_n as_o not_o eat_v meat_n though_o every_o creature_n

of_o understanding_n in_o those_o that_o say_v so_o for_o if_o christ_n have_v a_o church_n before_o his_o ascension_n that_o want_v any_o thing_n essential_a to_o its_o be_v than_o it_o be_v a_o church_n and_o no_o church_n at_o the_o same_o time_n which_o be_v absurd_a to_o imagine_v let_v what_o be_v abovesaid_a be_v due_o and_o considerate_o weigh_v and_o there_o will_v be_v no_o reflection_n upon_o christ_n nor_o ignorance_n in_o those_o that_o say_v they_o be_v only_a discipl●●_n and_o not_o impower_v as_o a_o church_n before_o christ_n ascension_n it_o can_v reflect_v no_o want_n of_o care_n in_o christ_n because_o they_o can_v not_o be_v in_o any_o other_o capacity_n than_o his_o scholar_n before_o the_o spirit_n be_v give_v they_o no●_n be_v they_o capable_a to_o receive_v more_o than_o what_o christ_n do_v communicate_v to_o they_o and_o leave_v with_o they_o until_o the_o spirit_n be_v manifest_v i_o have_v many_o thing_n to_o say_v but_o you_o can_v bear_v they_o now_o john_n 16.12_o then_o it_o be_v no_o reflection_n upon_o christ_n for_o want_v of_o care_n consider_v the_o time_n and_o the_o disciple_n incapacity_n to_o bear_v they_o then_o nor_o do_v we_o say_v christ_n have_v a_o church_n before_o his_o ascension_n if_o they_o be_v a_o church_n that_o want_v any_o thing_n essential_a to_o its_o be_v in_o that_o dispensation_n therefore_o you_o may_v keep_v your_o absurdity_n till_o you_o have_v more_o occasion_n quest_n 6._o we_o demand_v whether_o those_o qualification_n that_o give_v we_o a_o right_n to_o baptism_n do_v not_o give_v we_o a_o right_n to_o the_o lord_n table_n answer_n 1._o those_o qualification_n that_o give_v you_o a_o right_n to_o baptism_n do_v not_o give_v you_o a_o right_n to_o the_o lord_n table_n 2._o for_o confession_n of_o sin_n and_o profession_n of_o faith_n in_o christ_n for_o the_o pardon_n of_o they_o be_v qualification_n that_o give_v ●●●ht_v to_o baptism_n but_o they_o do_v not_o give_v the_o person_n so_o confess_v and_o profess_v a_o right_a to_o the_o lord_n table_n except_o he_o be_v first_o baptize_v by_o your_o principle_n and_o practice_n if_o we_o be_v not_o deceive_v by_o you_o quest_n 7._o we_o demand_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o sinful_a to_o make_v more_o condition_n of_o communion_n than_o ever_o god_n make_v and_o whether_o the_o impose_v of_o any_o thing_n though_o true_a as_o the_o condition_n of_o church-membership_a and_o communion_n which_o god_n have_v not_o make_v a_o condition_n be_v not_o to_o keep_v those_o out_o of_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n will_v have_v in_o answer_n 1._o we_o grant_v it_o be_v sinful_a to_o make_v more_o condition_n of_o communion_n than_o ever_o god_n make_v 2._o and_o to_o impose_v any_o thing_n though_o true_a as_o ●he_v condition_n of_o church-membership_n and_o communion_n which_o god_n have_v not_o make_v a_o con●ition_n be_v to_o keep_v those_o out_o of_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n will_v have_v in_o quest_n 8._o if_o christ_n have_v require_v no_o other_o condition_n of_o church-communion_n than_o confession_n of_o sin_n faith_n baptism_n and_o a_o holy_a life_n whether_o you_o can_v by_o a_o rule_n deny_v communion_n to_o any_o that_o be_v so_o qualify_v if_o so_o show_v that_o rule_n answer_n 1._o though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o confession_n of_o sin_n faith_n baptism_n and_o a_o holy_a life_n be_v ●_z of_o communion_n yet_o be_v there_o more_o ●_z require_v by_o christ_n of_o church-communion_n that_o those_o for_o the_o twelve_o disciple_n paul_n foun●_n at_o ephesus_n have_v confess_v their_o sin_n profess_v their_o faith_n and_o be_v baptize_v yea_o and_o wer●_n man_n of_o holy_a life_n and_o yet_o they_o want_v som●_n condition_n of_o church-communion_n 2._o for_o these_o disciple_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o baptism_n heb._n 6.2_o know_v no_o more_o than_o the_o baptism_n of_o john_n for_o they_o have_v not_o hear_v whether_o there_o be_v a_o holy_a ghost_n or_o no●_n act._n 19_o 3._o they_o be_v not_o under_o lay_v on_o of_o hand●_n which_o god_n have_v appoint_v as_o the_o mean_n h●●_n which_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v give_v and_o receive_v both_o which_o viz._n the_o doctrine_n of_o baptism_n an●_n lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v principle_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n heb._n 6.2_o and_o therefore_o ●_o true_o condition_n of_o church-communion_n ●_o water-baptism_n for_o it_o be_v by_o one_o spirit_n we_o a●_n all_o baptise_a into_o one_o body_n 1_o cor._n 12.13_o 4._o than_o not_o to_o hear_v whether_o there_o be_v holy_a ghost_n or_o no_o as_o these_o disciple_n do_v not_o ●less_a defect_n in_o they_o than_o for_o you_o to_o hear_v and_o read_v there_o be_v a_o holy_a ghost_n promise_v to_o as_o many_o as_o obey_v christ_n and_o you_o not_o believe_v the_o baptism_n thereof_o but_o oppose_v and_o reject_v the_o mean_n by_o which_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o spirit_n be_v obtain_v and_o by_o which_o we_o all_o be_v baptize_v into_o one_o body_n be_v a_o far_o great_a defect_n and_o want_v of_o the_o condition_n christ_n require_v of_o church-communion_n in_o you_o than_o be_v in_o they_o 5._o then_o can_v we_o deny_v communion_n with_o you_o because_o christ_n require_v more_o condition_n of_o church-communion_n than_o you_o yet_o have_v for_o which_o we_o have_v these_o rule_n 2_o thess_n 3.6_o 1_o tim._n 3.4_o 5._o cum_fw-la multis_fw-la aliis_fw-la quest_n 9_o whether_o the_o baptise_a congregation_n that_o be_v not_o under_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n do_v not_o make_v those_o qualification_n above_o mention_v absolute_o necessary_a to_o church-communion_n and_o church-membership_a and_o if_o so_o why_o shall_v you_o refuse_v communion_n with_o they_o answer_n 1._o you_o may_v well_o make_v a_o question_n of_o it_o whether_o you_o do_v make_v those_o qualification_n you_o mention_v before_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o church-communion_n and_o church-membership_a when_o in_o your_o six_o question_n you_o demand_v whether_o those_o qualification_n that_o give_v you_o a_o right_n to_o baptism_n do_v not_o give_v you_o a_o right_n to_o the_o lord_n table_n which_o import_v that_o those_o which_o have_v a_o right_n to_o baptism_n by_o virtue_n of_o some_o qualification_n have_v a_o right_n to_o the_o lord_n table_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o same_o qualification_n at_o the_o same_o time_n and_o if_o they_o that_o have_v a_o right_n to_o baptism_n have_v at_o the_o same_o time_n a_o right_a to_o the_o lord_n table_n they_o may_v by_o right_n have_v church-communion_n though_o they_o be_v not_o baptize_v 2._o therefore_o we_o must_v answer_v you_o that_o we_o can_v tell_v or_o we_o do_v not_o know_v whether_o you_o do_v make_v those_o qualification_n you_o mention_v absolute_o necessary_a to_o church-communion_n and_o church-membership_a because_o in_o your_o six_o question_n you_o more_o than_o seem_v to_o leave_v out_o baptism_n as_o a_o qualification_n which_o you_o put_v in_o elsewhere_o as_o one_o 3._o but_o if_o you_o do_v make_v all_o those_o qualification_n you_o mention_v absolute_a necessary_a to_o church-communion_n and_o church-membership_a you_o have_v be_v already_o tell_v why_o we_o refuse_v communion_n with_o you_o it_o will_v be_v too_o much_o in_o this_o place_n to_o say_v it_o again_o quest_n 10._o whether_o you_o have_v not_o at_o some_o turn_n both_o by_o practice_n and_o profess_a agreement_n own_v those_o for_o church_n and_o church_n member_n that_o be_v baptize_v believer_n as_o aforesaid_a and_o if_o so_o by_o what_o rule_n can_v you_o refuse_v to_o have_v communion_n with_o they_o answer_n 1._o it_o be_v not_o without_o cause_n to_o believe_v that_o be_v too_o true_a that_o some_o have_v be_v daub_v with_o untempered_a mortar_n ezek._n 13.10_o 11_o 12_o 13_o 14._o to_o heal_v the_o hurt_n slight_o say_v peace_n peace_n when_o there_o be_v no_o peace_n jer._n 6.14_o have_v both_o by_o practice_n and_o profess_a agreement_n own_v you_o for_o church_n right_o constitute_v 2._o it_o be_v well_o if_o those_o that_o have_v so_o practise_v and_o agree_v will_v remember_v from_o whence_o they_o be_v fall_v and_o repent_v and_o do_v their_o first_o work_n before_o it_o be_v too_o late_a and_o their_o candlestick_n be_v remove_v out_o of_o its_o place_n rev._n 2.5_o 3._o and_o they_o their_o give_v so_o much_o advantage_n to_o you_o who_o oppose_v some_o part_n of_o the_o mind_n of_o christ_n which_o they_o believe_v and_o practice_v which_o be_v now_o take_v up_o by_o you_o and_o use_v as_o weapon_n against_o the_o truth_n they_o practise_v do_v cry_v aloud_o upon_o they_o to_o repent_v and_o smite_v upon_o the_o thigh_n say_v what_o have_v we_o do_v 4._o for_o if_o such_o practice_n and_o profess_a agreement_n be_v according_a to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n wherein_o they_o have_v own_v you_o church_n and_o church_n member_n right_o constitute_v communion_n

those_o part_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n that_o belong_v to_o perfection_n and_o their_o further_a grow_v up_o in_o he_o but_o not_o the_o foundation_n or_o beginning_n part_n of_o christian_n nor_o though_o they_o be_v dull_a of_o hear_v and_o can_v not_o receive_v those_o thing_n hard_a to_o be_v utter_v relate_v to_o the_o priestly_a office_n of_o christ_n yet_o be_v they_o not_o denyer_n opposer_n and_o disputer_n against_o it_o as_o you_o have_v be_v against_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n more_o than_o twenty_o year_n 4._o the_o church_n in_o asia_n be_v true_a constitute_v church_n and_o yet_o they_o transgress_v and_o do_v not_o abide_v in_o all_o christ_n doctrine_n for_o which_o cause_n though_o the_o spirit_n commend_v they_o in_o some_o thing_n they_o will_v not_o have_v god_n long_o as_o his_o church_n except_o they_o repent_v of_o those_o transgression_n i_o will_v remove_v thy_o candlestick_n out_o of_o its_o place_n except_o thou_o repent_v rev._n 2.5_o by_o which_o it_o may_v plain_o be_v perceive_v that_o their_o not_o abide_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n will_v unchurch_n they_o that_o be_v true_a constitute_v church_n without_o repentance_n and_o do_v their_o first_o work_n though_o we_o will_v not_o say_v that_o they_o be_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la declare_v no_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o such_o as_o have_v no_o communion_n with_o god_n as_o his_o church_n though_o we_o dare_v say_v that_o you_o who_o church-constitution_n be_v never_o right_a have_v not_o god_n as_o his_o church_n and_o we_o dare_v say_v that_o the_o church_n in_o asia_n and_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n for_o suffer_v the_o incestuous_a person_n and_o for_o say_v some_o of_o they_o the_o resurrection_n be_v past_a etc._n etc._n after_o all_o lawful_a endeavour_n make_v and_o mean_v use_v to_o purge_v they_o from_o those_o evil_n have_v they_o not_o repent_v but_o still_o persist_v in_o their_o sin_n and_o impenitency_n they_o will_v soon_o find_v they_o shall_v cease_v to_o be_v a_o church_n in_o god_n and_o incommunicable_a for_o their_o not_o abide_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o oracle_n of_o god_n and_o thus_o much_o we_o dar●_n say_v of_o they_o or_o of_o any_o that_o fail_v like_o they_o tha●_n then_o as_o afore_o they_o be_v no_o church_n have_v no●_n communion_n with_o god_n as_o his_o church_n because_o they_o abide_v not_o in_o all_o his_o doctrine_n 5._o your_o argument_n then_o be_v not_o of_o such_o forc●_n to_o turn_v the_o edge_n of_o we_o upon_o we_o as_o you_o think_v ●_o for_o we_o answer_v it_o by_o distinction_n thus_o if_o in_o you●_n minor_fw-la proposition_n by_o fail_v and_o come_v sho●●_n of_o many_o thing_n christ_n teach_v they_o you_o mea●_n fundamental_a thing_n we_o deny_v your_o minor_a o●_n if_o you_o mean_v a_o fail_n and_o come_v short_a of_o man_n ●_o thing_n christ_n teach_v as_o in_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n and_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n join_v with_o impenitency_n all_o lawful_a mean_n be_v use_v to_o purg●_n they_o we_o then_o likewise_o deny_v your_o minor_a b●●_n if_o you_o do_v not_o mean_a fundamental_o nor_o sin_n join_v with_o impenitency_n as_o be_v aforesaid_a then_o ●_o say_v god_n own_v such_o for_o church_n and_o w●_n shall_v sin_v if_o we_o do_v not_o though_o they_o fail_v an●_n come_v short_a of_o perfection_n in_o many_o thing_n b●_n then_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o god_n own_v or_o that_o 〈◊〉_d ought_v to_o own_o such_o for_o church_n that_o fail_v an●_n come_v short_a in_o fundamental_o or_o the_o first_o rudiment_n of_o christianity_n as_o you_o do_v quest_n 20._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o abuse_n of_o that_o text_n 2_o joh●_n to_o infer_v from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n there_o mention_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o church_n nor_o church_n member_n where_o every_o thing_n that_o christ_n teach_v be_v ●●t_n observe_v and_o continue_v in_o when_o by_o doctrine_n ●ere_z a_o man_n of_o a_o short_a sight_n may_v perceive_v be_v mean_v ●●e_z confess_v that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n ●_o appear_v vers_fw-la 7._o which_o whosoever_o abide_v not_o in_o ●ut_fw-la shall_v deny_v have_v not_o god_n and_o if_o this_o be_v not_o the_o ●ense_n but_o the_o other_o viz._n that_o he_o that_o continue_v ●ot_n in_o all_o christ_n say_n have_v not_o god_n and_o be_v no_o member_n of_o christ_n then_o either_o yourselves_o be_v no_o church_n or_o else_o you_o be_v all_o perfect_a and_o guilty_a of_o no_o 〈◊〉_d because_o all_o sin_n be_v a_o transgress_a christ_n doctrine_n use_v he_o that_o say_v he_o have_v no_o sin_n be_v a_o liar_n and_o the_o ●ruth_n be_v not_o in_o he_o 1_o john_n 1.10_o answer_n 1._o who_o do_v you_o ever_o know_v infer_v from_o ●_o joh._n 9_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o church_n nor_o church-member_n where_o every_o thing_n christ_n ●●ught_v be_v not_o observe_v and_o continue_v in_o it_o be_v ●rue_a we_o say_v that_o every_o principle_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n which_o he_o teach_v as_o the_o first_o rudiment_n of_o christianity_n must_v be_v observe_v and_o continue_v in_o or_o else_o there_o can_v be_v no_o church_n ●or_a church-member_n right_o constitute_v and_o ●_o observe_n believe_v and_o practise_v and_o not_o continue_v in_o they_o that_o now_o be_v a_o church_n right_o ●n_v constitution_n may_v as_o afore_o be_v say_v cease_v to_o ●e_v a_o church_n for_o their_o transgress_a and_o not_o abide_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n 2_o john_n 9_o 2._o but_o you_o say_v by_o doctrine_n in_o that_o place_n be_v ●eant_v as_o a_o man_n of_o a_o short_a sight_n may_v perceive_v the_o confess_v that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n ●_o appear_v vers_fw-la 7._o suppose_v this_o shall_v be_v t●_n meaning_n we_o demand_v whether_o every_o one_o th●_n verbal_o so_o confess_v and_o do_v not_o verbal_o deny_v christ_n to_o be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n do_v answer_v the_o mind_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o that_o text_n and_o ha●_n both_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n so_o long_o as_o he_o abide_v by_o such_o a_o confession_n we_o think_v you_o wi●●_n not_o so_o say_v for_o if_o you_o shall_v then_o must_v yo●_n own_o rome_n to_o be_v a_o church_n of_o christ_n because_o they_o stout_o confess_v with_o their_o mouth_n and_o abide_v by_o it_o that_o christ_n be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n ye●_n and_o will_v burn_v they_o that_o shall_v deny_v it_o now_o ●_o this_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o text_n then_o have_v rom●_n both_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n and_o do_v not_o transgress_v but_o continue_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o chris●_n and_o thousand_o more_o beside_o who_o will_v thus_o confess_v christ_n to_o be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n but_o know_v yo●_n not_o that_o in_o work_n they_o deny_v he_o if_o then_o ●_o man_n shortsighted_a may_v see_v that_o by_o doctrine_n ●_o mean_v a_o confess_v of_o christ_n to_o be_v come_v in_o th●_n flesh_n that_o confession_n must_v be_v more_o than_o verb●●_n as_o a_o man_n very_a shortsighted_a may_v perceive_v an●_n that_o by_o confess_v christ_n be_v to_o own_v he_o to_o be_v ●_o prince_n and_o a_o saviour_n to_o believe_v obey_v and_o t●_n do_v what_o he_o have_v teach_v and_o to_o continue_v in_o hi●_n doctrine_n so_o then_o though_o it_o may_v be_v as_o yo●_n say_v yet_o be_v it_o not_o to_o be_v think_v that_o only_a th●_n single_a and_o alone_o confess_v of_o christ_n to_o be_v com●_n in_o the_o flesh_n be_v there_o mean_v by_o doctrine_n ●_o be_v so_o comprehensive_a a_o word_n that_o it_o contain_v in_o it_o no_o less_o if_o not_o more_o than_o the_o foundation-●●rt_a mention_v heb._n 6._o and_o therefore_o they_o that_o transgress_v and_o abide_v not_o in_o that_o fundamental_a part_n viz._n repentance_n faith_n the_o doctrine_n of_o baptism_n lay_v on_o of_o hand_n the_o resurrection_n from_o the_o dead_a and_o eternal_a judgement_n have_v not_o god_n as_o his_o church_n but_o he_o that_o continue_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n have_v both_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n then_o be_v it_o no_o abuse_n of_o the_o text_n to_o say_v as_o the_o text_n say_v but_o you_o rather_o abuse_v we_o to_o say_v that_o we_o infer_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o church_n nor_o church-member_n that_o continue_v not_o in_o every_o thing_n that_o christ_n teach_v and_o that_o they_o have_v not_o god_n nor_o be_v no_o member_n of_o christ_n but_o we_o say_v they_o can_v be_v church_n right_o constitute_v that_o abide_v not_o in_o christ_n doctrine_n for_o they_o have_v not_o god_n and_o so_o say_v the_o text._n and_o yet_o there_o may_v be_v church_n true_o state_v that_o be_v not_o perfect_a and_o that_o will_v not_o say_v they_o have_v no_o sin_n