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A91887 Some few considerations propounded, as so many scruples by Mr. Henry Robinson in a letter to Mr. Iohn Dury upon his epistolary discourse: with Mr. Duryes answer thereunto. VVherein is observable with what overtures of spirit they endeavour to edifie each other, not withstanding their differing judgements and opinions about the Independent and Presbyterian way. Published by a well-willer to peace and truth, in expectation that it may no little conduce, either to the reconciling of such controversies, or to the debating them with lesse noise and bitternesse. Whereunto is annexed another epistolary discourse, written by Mr. John Dury, to a worthy knight, concerning the principles of meditation: from which rules may be gathered to direct men to order their thoughts, so as to finde a resolution of all their doubts. Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?; Dury, John, 1596-1680.; Well-Willer to Peace and Truth. 1646 (1646) Wing R1679; Thomason E345_1; ESTC R200979 39,103 49

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the_o minister_n thereof_o to_o use_v mean_n towards_o they_o that_o the_o duty_n which_o christ_n require_v may_v be_v perform_v and_o in_o case_n of_o neglect_n to_o press_v they_o by_o authority_n to_o the_o performance_n thereof_o 3._o i_o give_v they_o no_o such_o inspection_n over_o the_o church_n which_o be_v ecclesiastical_a to_o vindicate_v and_o punish_v fault_n in_o fore_n interiori_fw-la but_o only_o to_o hinder_v misdemeanour_n which_o be_v public_o observable_a 4._o the_o minister_n be_v bind_v if_o it_o be_v require_v of_o they_o to_o give_v they_o a_o account_n of_o all_o their_o proceed_n with_o all_o due_a respect_n that_o they_o may_v know_v the_o order_n of_o their_o way_n in_o all_o thing_n because_o nothing_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o dark_a or_o conceal_v from_o his_o cognizance_n as_o for_o that_o which_o i_o say_v of_o a_o state_n conscience_n that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v like_a unto_o the_o conscience_n of_o a_o good_a christian_a my_o meaning_n be_v that_o as_o a_o christian_a in_o his_o private_a sphere_n must_v rule_v himself_o and_o those_o that_o be_v under_o he_o conscionable_o to_o god_n glory_n so_o the_o council_n of_o state_n be_v bind_v in_o its_o sphere_n to_o do_v the_o like_a and_o though_o this_o aught_o to_o be_v so_o yet_o your_o inference_n be_v not_o good_a that_o therefore_o any_o man_n must_v resign_v his_o understanding_n to_o another_o man_n will_n and_o conception_n for_o all_o this_o be_v object_v upon_o a_o mistake_n in_o a_o word_n i_o allow_v of_o no_o dominion_n over_o any_o man_n faith_n or_o conscience_n but_o only_o as_o a_o ministerial_a service_n according_a to_o the_o word_n wherein_o both_o the_o magistrate_n and_o the_o church-officer_n be_v to_o learn_v his_o duty_n and_o thereby_o christ_n be_v to_o rule_v over_o the_o state_n and_o church_n visible_o and_o invisible_o in_o the_o outward_a and_o inward_a bodily_a and_o spiritual_a relation_n 6._o the_o six_o observation_n upon_o pag._n 28_o 29._o be_v answer_v already_o if_o the_o case_n be_v right_o understand_v and_o you_o will_v find_v your_o mistake_n to_o lie_v in_o the_o civil_a and_o spiritual_a sphere_n in_o which_o the_o magistracy_n and_o ministry_n ought_v to_o walk_v for_o if_o they_o keep_v each_o within_o their_o own_o sphere_n there_o will_v never_o be_v cause_n of_o contest_v for_o the_o spiritual_a have_v no_o power_n over_o the_o civil_a government_n nor_o the_o civil_a over_o the_o spiritual_a as_o such_o but_o only_o in_o case_n of_o misdemeanour_n and_o in_o this_o case_n only_o i_o say_v that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o hinder_v a_o people_n in_o the_o choose_n of_o a_o teacher_n when_o they_o do_v it_o not_o orderly_o but_o tumultuous_o or_o when_o a_o minister_n in_o a_o factious_a and_o violent_a manner_n or_o otherwise_o disorderly_a thrust_v himself_o upon_o a_o people_n he_o may_v and_o aught_o to_o take_v cognizance_n of_o the_o matter_n and_o see_v good_a order_n &_o peace_n keep_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n therefore_o let_v every_o christian_a in_o god_n name_n have_v his_o full_a liberty_n to_o try_v the_o spirit_n and_o to_o hear_v all_o and_o hold_v fast_o that_o which_o be_v good_a but_o let_v he_o use_v his_o liberty_n orderly_o and_o give_v no_o just_a cause_n of_o complaint_n or_o grievance_n unto_o other_o 7._o in_o your_o seven_o observation_n upon_o p._n 36._o you_o plead_v again_o for_o the_o freedom_n of_o dispute_n and_o to_o follow_v that_o which_o be_v best_a which_o i_o never_o intend_v to_o restrain_v only_o let_v it_o be_v regular_a and_o for_o the_o end_n of_o edification_n without_o vain_a jangle_n and_o confusedness_n of_o strife_n and_o passion_n 8._o the_o eight_o observation_n upon_o p._n 30._o concern_v the_o power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n in_o church-matter_n i_o will_v admit_v if_o take_v in_o the_o sense_n which_o i_o have_v former_o deliver_v 9_o to_o the_o nine_o observation_n upon_o pag._n 31._o i_o say_v that_o god_n do_v not_o require_v that_o we_o shall_v walk_v after_o any_o light_n but_o that_o which_o be_v the_o true_a light_n which_o enlighten_v every_o man_n that_o come_v into_o this_o world_n therefore_o all_o be_v bind_v to_o seek_v that_o light_n and_o never_o rest_n till_o they_o find_v it_o it_o be_v true_a that_o no_o man_n can_v follow_v any_o other_o light_n but_o that_o which_o seem_v to_o he_o to_o be_v true_a according_a to_o his_o measure_n but_o thence_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o we_o may_v strive_v and_o contest_v without_o end_n for_o every_o thing_n that_o to_o we_o appear_v to_o be_v truth_n the_o weight_n of_o matter_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v with_o discretion_n and_o because_o no_o man_n will_v presume_v to_o be_v infallible_a the_o way_n of_o propose_v our_o sense_n of_o truth_n aught_o to_o be_v such_o as_o may_v declare_v that_o we_o can_v bear_v dissenter_n and_o be_v not_o unwilling_a to_o admit_v of_o further_a light_n if_o 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the_o profess_a disagreement_n of_o judgement_n shall_v be_v without_o breach_n of_o brotherly_a love_n and_o with_o the_o preservation_n of_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o matter_n of_o undoubted_a practice_n for_o mutual_a edification_n at_o least_o so_o far_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v for_o the_o apostolical_a rule_n phil._n 3._o 16._o so_o far_o a●_n we_o be_v come_v let_v we_o walk_v by_o one_o rule_n and_o let_v we_o mind_n the_o same_o thing_n be_v never_o to_o be_v refuse_v on_o our_o part_n if_o offer_v by_o other_o nor_o neglect_v if_o it_o may_v be_v obtain_v how_o far_o soever_o we_o differ_v in_o judgement_n from_o other_o in_o matter_n extrafundamentall_a 10._o to_o the_o ten_o observation_n upon_o pag._n 32._o concern_v a_o brotherly_a correspondency_n in_o a_o presbytery_n which_o you_o allow_v of_o so_o long_o as_o it_o do_v continue_v brotherly_a i_o have_v this_o to_o say_v that_o i_o be_o confident_a your_o fear_n of_o be_v drive_v by_o rod_n and_o staff_n from_o your_o father_n in_o heaven_n will_v be_v needless_a for_o the_o presbyterian_a way_n do_v cease_v to_o be_v presbyterian_a if_o it_o be_v not_o social_a as_o between_o confederate_n who_o in_o all_o thing_n be_v equal_a one_o to_o another_o so_o that_o all_o alike_a judge_n and_o all_o be_v alike_o judge_v and_o every_o thing_n be_v do_v by_o common_a consent_n and_o counsel_n nor_o be_v any_o right_n take_v from_o private_a church_n but_o rather_o confirm_v and_o strengther_v to_o they_o as_o for_o the_o separation_n which_o you_o call_v in_o your_o opinion_n just_a to_o which_o for_o some_o respect_n you_o think_v yourselves_o force_v unto_o i_o know_v not_o what_o else_o to_o say_v but_o that_o i_o can_v see_v how_o it_o may_v be_v just_a or_o lawful_a for_o any_o to_o separate_v from_o a_o true_a church_n for_o cause_n not_o lay_v open_a to_o they_o and_o for_o matter_n extrafundamentall_a for_o although_o i_o find_v thing_n in_o my_o brethren_n 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v very_o 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