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he_o any_o supremacy_n over_o the_o other_o patriarch_n and_o for_o this_o be_v all_o other_o record_n of_o antiquity_n silent_a the_o civil_a law_n be_v proof_n enough_o and_o that_o be_v a_o monument_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n the_o text_n there_o be_v 22._o be_v nam_fw-la contra_fw-la horum_fw-la antistitum_fw-la de_fw-la patriarchis_fw-la loquor_fw-la sententias_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la locum_fw-la appellationi_fw-la à _fw-la majoribus_fw-la nostris_fw-la â—…itutum_fw-la est_fw-la â—…od_a l_o 1._o tit._n 4._o l._n 29._o ex_fw-la â—…ditions_n gothofredi_n si_fw-mi non_fw-la rata_fw-la habuerit_fw-la â—…traque_fw-la pars_fw-la qua_fw-la judicata_fw-la sunt_fw-la tunc_fw-la beatissimn_v patriarcha_fw-la dioceseôs_fw-la illius_fw-la â—…ter_fw-la eos_fw-la audiat_fw-la etc._n etc._n nullâ_fw-la parte_fw-la ejus_fw-la sententiae_fw-la contradicere_fw-la valente_fw-la authen_n coâ—…at_fw-la 9_o tit._n 15._o c._n 22._o a_o patriarchâ_fw-la non_fw-la datur_fw-la appellatio_fw-la from_o a_o patriarch_n there_o lie_v no_o appeal_v no_o appeal_v therefore_o every_o patriarch_n be_v alike_o supreme_a in_o his_o own_o patriarchate_n therefore_o the_o pope_n then_o have_v no_o supremacy_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n therefore_o certain_o not_o then_o receive_v as_o universal_a pastor_n and_o s._n gregory_n himself_o speak_v of_o appeal_v and_o express_o cite_v the_o law_n themselves_o say_v plain_o 54._o plain_o et_fw-la ille_fw-la scilicet_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la secundum_fw-la canon_n &_o leges_fw-la prâ—…bent_fw-la finem_fw-la and_o there_o he_o cite_v the_o novel_a its_o self_n s._n greg._n l._n 11._o judict_n 6._o epist._n 54._o that_o the_o patriarch_n be_v to_o put_v a_o final_a end_n to_o those_o cause_n which_o come_v before_o he_o by_o appeal_v from_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n but_o then_o he_o add_v ibid._n add_v si_fw-mi dictum_fw-la fuâ—…it_fw-la quòd_fw-la nec_fw-la metropolitanum_n habeat_fw-la nec_fw-la patriarcham_fw-la dicendum_fw-la est_fw-la quòd_fw-la à _fw-la sede_n apostolicâ_fw-la quae_fw-la omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la caput_fw-la est_fw-la causa_fw-la andienda_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n greg._n ibid._n that_o where_o there_o be_v nor_o metropolitan_a nor_o patriarch_n of_o that_o diocese_n there_o they_o be_v to_o have_v recourse_n to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a as_o be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o church_n where_o first_o this_o imply_v plain_o that_o if_o there_o be_v a_o metropolitan_a or_o a_o patriarch_n in_o those_o church_n his_o judgement_n be_v final_a and_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o appeal_v to_o rome_n second_o it_o be_v as_o plain_a that_o in_o those_o ancient_a time_n of_o the_o church-government_n britain_n be_v never_o subject_a to_o the_o sea_n of_o rome_n for_o it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o 48._o the_o notitia_fw-la provinciarum_fw-la occidentalium_fw-la per_fw-la guidum_fw-la pancirolum_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 48._o six_o diocese_n of_o the_o west_n empire_n and_o have_v a_o primate_n of_o its_o own_o nay_o 1601._o nay_o hunc_fw-la cunctis_fw-la liberalium_fw-la artium_fw-la disciplinis_fw-la eruditum_fw-la pro_fw-la magistro_fw-la teneamus_fw-la &_o quasi_fw-la comparem_fw-la velut_fw-la alterius_fw-la orbis_n apostolicum_fw-la &_o patriarcham_fw-la etc._n etc._n io._n capgravius_n de_fw-fr vitis_n sanctorum_fw-la in_fw-la vitâ_fw-la s._n anselmi_n et_fw-fr guil._n malmesburiens_fw-la de_fw-fr gestis_fw-la pontificum_fw-la anglorum_fw-la p._n 223._o edit_fw-la francof_n 1601._o john_n capgrave_n one_o of_o your_o own_o and_o learned_a for_o those_o time_n and_o long_o before_o he_o william_n of_o malmesburie_n tell_v we_o that_o pope_n urbane_n the_o second_o at_o the_o council_n hold_v at_o bari_n in_o apulia_n account_v my_o worthy_a predecessor_n s_o anselme_n as_o his_o own_o compeer_n and_o say_v he_o be_v as_o the_o apostolic_a and_o patriarch_n of_o the_o other_o world_n so_o he_o then_o term_v this_o island_n now_o the_o britain_n have_v a_o primate_n of_o their_o own_o which_o be_v great_a than_o a_o metropolitan_a yea_o a_o 195._o a_o ibi_fw-la cantuariae_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la prima_fw-la sedes_fw-la archiepiscopi_fw-la habetur_fw-la qui_fw-la est_fw-la totius_fw-la anglia_fw-it primus_fw-la &_o patriarcha_fw-la guil._n malmesburiensis_fw-la in_o prologue_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-la gestis_fw-la pontificum_fw-la anglorum_fw-la p._n 195._o patriarch_n if_o you_o will_v he_o can_v not_o be_v appeal_v from_o to_o rome_n by_o s._n gregorie_n own_o doctrine_n three_o it_o will_v be_v hard_a for_o any_o man_n to_o prove_v there_o be_v any_o church_n then_o in_o the_o world_n which_o be_v not_o under_o some_o either_o patriarch_n or_o metropolitan_a four_o if_o any_o such_o be_v it_o be_v gratis_n dictum_fw-la and_o impossible_a to_o be_v prove_v that_o all_o such_o church_n where_o ever_o seat_v in_o the_o world_n be_v oblige_v to_o depend_v on_o rome_n for_o manifest_v it_o be_v that_o the_o bishop_n which_o be_v ordain_v in_o place_n without_o the_o limit_n of_o the_o roman_a empire_n which_o place_n they_o common_o call_v ibid._n call_v praterea_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o baâ—…barico_n episcopi_fw-la à _fw-la sanctissimo_fw-la throno_fw-la sanctissima_fw-la constantinopolitanae_n ecclesia_fw-la ordinentur_fw-la codex_fw-la canonum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la universae_fw-la can._n 206._o and_o justellus_n prove_v it_o there_o at_o large_a that_o by_o in_o barbarico_fw-la in_o that_o canon_n be_v mean_v in_o solo_n barbarorum_fw-la annot._fw-la ibid._n barbarous_a be_v all_o to_o be_v ordain_v and_o therefore_o most_o probable_a to_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n and_o for_o rome_n be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o church_n i_o have_v say_v enough_o to_o that_o in_o diverse_a part_n of_o this_o discourse_n and_o since_o i_o be_o thus_o fall_v upon_o the_o church_n of_o africa_n i_o shall_v borrow_v another_o reason_n from_o the_o practice_n of_o that_o church_n why_o by_o principatus_fw-la s._n augustine_n neither_o do_v nor_o can_v mean_v any_o principality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o bishop_n of_o rome_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ._n for_o as_o the_o act_n of_o counsel_n and_o story_n go_v the_o african_a prelate_n find_v that_o all_o succeed_a pope_n be_v not_o of_o melciades_n his_o temper_n set_v themselves_o to_o assert_v their_o own_o liberty_n and_o hold_v it_o out_o stout_o against_o zozimus_n boniface_n the_o first_o and_o celestine_n the_o first_o who_o be_v successive_o pope_n of_o rome_n at_o last_o it_o be_v conclude_v in_o the_o sixth_o council_n of_o carthage_n wherein_o be_v assemble_v two_o hundred_o and_o seventeen_o bishop_n of_o which_o s._n augustine_n himself_o be_v one_o that_o they_o will_v not_o give_v way_n to_o such_o a_o manifest_a encroachment_n upon_o their_o right_n and_o liberty_n and_o thereupon_o give_v present_a notice_n to_o pope_n celestine_n to_o forbear_v send_v his_o officer_n among_o they_o 844._o they_o ne_fw-fr fâ—…mosum_fw-la typhum_fw-la seculi_fw-la in_o ecclesiam_fw-la christi_fw-la videatur_fw-la inducere_fw-la etc._n etc._n epist_n conc._n afric_n ad_fw-la papam_fw-la coelestinum_n primum_fw-la apud_fw-la nicolin_n to._n 1._o council_n p._n 844._o lest_o he_o shall_v seem_v to_o induce_v the_o swell_a pride_n of_o the_o world_n into_o
ecclestam_fw-la rumperet_fw-la no_o &_o alexandria_n à _fw-fr marco_n evangelista_n â—…resbyteri_fw-la semper_fw-la unum_fw-la ex_fw-la seclectum_fw-la in_o excellenttori_fw-la gradu_fw-la col_fw-fr ocatum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la nominabant_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n hieron_n in_o epist._n ad_fw-la evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o according_a to_o s._n hieroâ—…_n bishop_n have_v a_o very_a ancient_a and_o honourable_a descent_n in_o the_o church_n from_o s._n mark_v the_o evangelist_n and_o about_o the_o end_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n he_o acknowledge_v it_o traditionem_fw-la esse_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la nay_o mo_z e_z then_o so_o he_o afhime_n plain_o that_o vli_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la saccrdos_n non_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la s._n hiéron_n advers._fw-la luciferian_n and_o in_o that_o place_n most_o manifelt_a iâ—…_n be_v that_o s._n icrom_n by_o sacerdos_n mean_v a_o bishop_n for_o he_o speak_v de_fw-fr sacerdote_fw-la qui_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habet_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la which_o in_o s._n jenome_v own_o judgement_n no_o mere_a priest_n have_v but_o a_o bishop_n only_o s._n hier._n epist_n à d_n evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o with_o he_o no_o bishop_n and_o no_o church_n s._n jerome_n tell_v we_o though_o be_v none_o himself_o he_o be_v no_o great_a friend_n to_o bishop_n and_o this_o be_v so_o settle_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o man_n from_o the_o very_a infancy_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n as_o that_o it_o have_v not_o be_v to_o that_o time_n contradict_v by_o any_o so_o that_o then_o there_o be_v no_o controversy_n about_o the_o call_v all_o agree_v upon_o that_o the_o only_a difficulty_n be_v to_o accommodate_v the_o place_n and_o precedency_n of_o bishop_n among_o themselves_o for_o the_o very_a necessity_n of_o order_n and_o government_n to_o do_v this_o the_o most_o equal_a and_o impartial_a way_n be_v that_o as_o the_o church_n be_v in_o the_o commonwealth_n not_o the_o commonwealth_n in_o it_o as_o 3._o as_o non_fw-la â—…nim_fw-la respub_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesià _fw-la sed_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la in_o repub._n optat._n l._n 3._o optatus_n tell_v we_o so_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v 16._o shall_v conc._n calce_v can._n 9_o &_o actio_fw-la 16._o follow_v the_o hon_fw-fr ur_n of_o the_o state_n and_o so_o it_o be_v insinuate_v if_o not_o order_v as_o appear_v by_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o chalcedon_n and_o antioch_n and_o this_o be_v the_o very_a fountain_n of_o papal_a greatness_n the_o pope_n have_v his_o residence_n in_o the_o great_a imperial_a city_n but_o precedency_n be_v one_o thing_n and_o authority_n be_v another_o it_o be_v think_v fit_a therefore_o though_o as_o pralat_n as_o s._n cyprian_n l._n de_fw-fr simp_n pralat_n s._n cyprian_n speak_v episcopatus_fw-la unus_fw-la est_fw-la the_o call_v of_o a_o bishop_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o that_o yet_o among_o bishop_n there_o shall_v be_v a_o certain_a subordination_n and_o subjection_n the_o empire_n therefore_o be_v cast_v into_o several_a division_n which_o they_o then_o call_v diocese_n every_o diocese_n contain_v several_a province_n every_o province_n several_a bishopric_n the_o chief_a of_o a_o dioc_n sse_n in_o that_o large_a sense_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o sometime_o a_o patriarch_n the_o chief_a of_o a_o province_n a_o metropolitan_a next_o the_o bishop_n in_o their_o several_a diocese_n as_o we_o now_o use_v that_o word_n among_o these_o there_o be_v effectual_a subjection_n respective_o ground_v upon_o canon_n and_o positive_a law_n in_o their_o several_a quarter_n but_o over_o they_o none_o at_o all_o all_o the_o difference_n there_o be_v but_o honorary_a not_o autoritative_a if_o the_o ambition_n of_o some_o particular_a person_n do_v attempt_v now_o and_o then_o to_o break_v these_o bound_n it_o be_v no_o marvel_n for_o no_o call_v can_v sanctify_v all_o that_o have_v it_o and_o socrates_n tâ—…lles_v we_o that_o in_o this_o way_n the_o bishop_n of_o alexandria_n and_o rome_n advance_v themselves_o to_o a_o great_a height_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d even_o beyond_o the_o quality_n of_o bishop_n now_o upon_o view_n of_o story_n it_o will_v appear_v that_o what_o advantage_n accrue_v to_o alexandria_n be_v get_v by_o the_o violence_n of_o theophilus_n patriarch_n there_o a_o man_n of_o exceed_v great_a learning_n and_o of_o no_o less_o violence_n and_o he_o make_v no_o little_a advantage_n out_o of_o this_o that_o the_o empress_n â—…udoxia_fw-la use_v his_o help_n for_o the_o cast_n of_o s._n chrylostome_n out_o of_o constantinople_n but_o the_o roman_a prelate_n grow_v by_o a_o steady_a and_o constant_a watch_n fullness_n upon_o all_o occasion_n to_o increase_v the_o honour_n of_o that_o sea_n interpose_v and_o 26._o and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ut_fw-la alunt_fw-la sivese_fw-it jaclat_fw-la esse_fw-la greg._n naz._n carm._n de_fw-fr vitasua_fw-la p._n 26._o assume_v to_o themselves_o to_o be_v uindices_fw-la canonum_fw-la as_o s._n gregory_n naz._n speak_v defender_n and_o restorer_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v a_o fair_a pretence_n and_o take_v extreme_o well_o but_o yet_o the_o world_n take_v notice_n of_o this_o their_o aim_n for_o in_o all_o contestation_n between_o the_o east_n and_o the_o west_n w_z ch_z were_z nor_o small_a nor_o few_o the_o western_a bishop_n object_v levity_n to_o the_o eastern_a and_o they_o again_o arrogancy_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o west_n as_o etc._n as_o orientalibut_fw-la levitas_fw-la occidet_fw-la alibus_fw-la arrogantia_fw-la inuicem_fw-la objecta_fw-la est_fw-la bilius_fw-la annot_n in_o s._n gregor_n naz._n vitam_fw-la na._n 153._o quid_fw-la oput_fw-la est_fw-la occidentali_fw-la superciliolex_fw-la sancto_fw-la basil._n etc._n etc._n bilius_fw-la observe_v and_o upon_o very_o warrantable_a testimony_n for_o all_o this_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n continue_v in_o good_a obedience_n to_o the_o emperor_n endure_v his_o censure_n and_o judgement_n and_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o clergy_n and_o people_n of_o rome_n he_o accept_v from_o the_o emperor_n the_o ratification_n of_o that_o choice_n insomuch_o that_o about_o the_o year_n 579._o when_v all_o italy_n be_v on_o fire_n with_o the_o lombard_n and_o ibid._n and_o hac_fw-la una_fw-la suis_fw-la causa_fw-la quare_fw-la l'elagius_fw-la injussu_fw-la principis_fw-la pontisex_n creatus_fw-la sit_fw-la quùm_fw-la extra_fw-la obsessam_fw-la ab_fw-la host_n urben_fw-ge mitti_fw-la quispian_n non_fw-la posset_n etc._n etc._n postea_fw-la itaque_fw-la ad_fw-la placandum_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la gregorius_n diaconus_fw-la etc._n etc._n platina_n in_o vitâ_fw-la pelagii_n 2._o &_o onuph_n ibid._n pelagius_n the_o second_o constrain_v through_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o time_n contrary_a to_o the_o example_n of_o his_o predecessor_n to_o entere_a upon_o the_o popedom_n without_o the_o emperor_n leave_n s._n gregory_n then_o a_o deacon_n be_v short_o after_o send_v on_o embassy_n to_o excuse_v it_o about_o this_o time_n break_v out_o the_o ambition_n of_o 3._o of_o onuph_n in_o plat._n in_o viâ—…a_n bonif._n 3._o john_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n affect_v to_o be_v universal_a bishop_n he_o be_v countenance_v in_o this_o by_o mauricius_n the_o emperor_n but_o sour_o oppose_v by_o pelagius_n and_o s._n gregory_n insomuch_o that_o s._n gregory_n say_v plain_o that_o this_o pride_n of_o 78._o of_o in_o hac_fw-la ejus_fw-la superbia_fw-la quid_fw-la aliud_fw-la nisi_fw-la propanqua_fw-la jam_fw-la â—…ntichristi_fw-la esse_fw-la tempora_fw-la designatur_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 78._o his_o show_n that_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n be_v near_o so_o as_o yet_o and_o this_o be_v now_o upon_o the_o point_n of_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n there_o be_v no_o universal_a bishop_n no_o one_o monarch_n over_o the_o whole_a militant_a church_n but_o mauricius_n be_v depose_v and_o murder_v by_o phocas_n phocas_n confer_v upon_o 32._o upon_o it_o may_v be_v they_o will_v say_v s._n gregory_n do_v not_o inveigh_v against_o the_o thing_n but_o the_o person_n that_o john_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v take_v that_o upon_o he_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n but_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o s._n gregory_n own_o text_n that_o he_o speak_v against_o the_o thing_n itself_o that_o neither_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n nor_o any_o other_o aught_o to_o take_v on_o he_o that_o title_n cura_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o principatus_fw-la s_o petro_n committitur_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la vniversalis_fw-la apostolus_fw-la non_fw-la voco_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 76._o therefore_o neither_o be_v his_o successor_n universal_a bishop_n nunquid_fw-la ego_fw-la hac_fw-la in_o re_fw-la propriam_fw-la causam_fw-la defendo_fw-la nunquid_fw-la specialem_fw-la injuriam_fw-la uindico_fw-la &_o non_fw-la magis_fw-la causam_fw-la omnipotentis_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o vniversalis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la where_o he_o plain_o deny_v that_o he_o speak_v in_o his_o own_o cause_n or_o in_o the_o cause_n of_o his_o sea_n per_fw-la venerandam_fw-la chalcedonensem_fw-la synodum_fw-la hoc_fw-la nomen_fw-la ronvere_n pontifici_fw-la oblatum_n est_fw-la sed_fw-la nullus_fw-la eorum_fw-la unquam_fw-la hoc_fw-la singularitatis_fw-la uocabulum_fw-la assumpsit_fw-la nec_fw-la uti_fw-la consensit_fw-la
〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &c_n &c_n s._n auâ—…_n â—…pist_v 119_o c._n 6._o s._n augustine_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o militant_a church_n be_v often_o in_o scripture_n call_v the_o moon_n both_o for_o the_o many_o change_v it_o have_v and_o for_o its_o obscurity_n in_o many_o time_n of_o its_o peregrination_n and_o he_o tell_v we_o too_o that_o if_o we_o will_v understand_v this_o place_n of_o scripture_n in_o a_o spiritual_a sense_n 103._o sense_n intelligimus_fw-la spiritualiter_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la hic_fw-la â—…uis_fw-la est_fw-la sol_fw-la nisi_fw-la sol_fw-la lustitsâ—…_n etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 103._o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o militant_a church_n as_o be_v full_a of_o change_n in_o her_o estate_n the_o moon_n but_o now_o it_o must_v be_v a_o triumphant_a church_n here_o militant_a no_o long_o the_o pope_n must_v be_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o emperor_n but_o the_o moon_n and_o least_o innocent_n own_o power_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o make_v good_a his_o decretal_a 145._o decretal_a â—…p_n â—…op_n l._n dicto_fw-la e_z clesiaâ—…us_fw-la c._n 145._o gasper_n schioppius_n do_v not_o only_o avow_v the_o allusion_n or_o interpretation_n but_o be_v please_v to_o express_v many_o circumstance_n in_o which_o he_o will_v fain_o make_v the_o world_n believe_v the_o resemblance_n hold_v and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v not_o know_v how_o much_o the_o pope_n be_v make_v great_a than_o the_o emperor_n by_o this_o comparison_n the_o sun_n the_o igitur_fw-la cùm_fw-la terra_fw-la sit_fw-la septies_fw-la major_a lunâ_fw-la sol_fw-la autem_fw-la octy_n major_a terra_fw-la restat_fw-la ergo_fw-la ut_fw-la fontificalis_fw-la dignitas_fw-la quadragesy_n septics_n sit_v major_a realidignitate_fw-la gloss._n in_o decret_a predict_v where_o first_o the_o gloss_n be_v out_o in_o his_o latin_a he_o may_v have_v say_v quadragies_fw-la for_o quadragesy_n be_v no_o word_n next_o he_o be_v out_o in_o his_o arithmetic_n for_o 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appear_v though_o somewhat_o may_v be_v do_v by_o the_o bishop_n and_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n to_o preserve_v the_o unity_n and_o certainty_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o keep_v the_o church_n from_o rent_v or_o for_o unite_n it_o when_o it_o be_v rend_v yet_o that_o in_o the_o ordinary_a way_n which_o the_o church_n have_v hitherto_o keep_v some_o thing_n there_o be_v and_o upon_o great_a emergent_a occasion_n may_v be_v which_o can_v have_v no_o other_o help_n than_o a_o lawful_a free_a and_o well_o compose_v general_n council_n and_o when_o that_o can_v be_v have_v the_o church_n must_v pray_v that_o it_o may_v and_o expect_v till_o it_o may_v or_o else_o reform_v its_o self_n per_fw-la part_n by_o nationall_n or_o provincial_n synod_n as_o have_v be_v say_v 1._o say_v §._o 24._o n._n 1._o before_o and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o little_a beseem_v a._n c._n or_o any_o christian_n to_o check_v at_o the_o wisdom_n of_o 1585._o of_o and_o shall_v we_o think_v that_o christ_n 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