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A75689
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A Combate betweene tvvo seconds. One for obeying the present government, the other, the second part of a demurrer, undeservedly called religious.
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Ascham, Antony, d. 1650.
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1649
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Wing A3918C; Thomason E562_16
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trouble_v his_o treatise_n the_o business_n be_v near_o at_o a_o end_n for_o the_o author_n believe_v there_o be_v no_o probability_n in_o sight_n and_o therefore_o it_o seem_v he_o may_v have_v leave_n of_o the_o demurrer_n to_o approve_v of_o obedience_n to_o the_o present_a government_n and_o herein_o it_o be_v desire_v that_o this_o irresolute_a writer_n will_v resolve_v himself_o better_o out_o of_o those_o that_o as_o it_o seem_v have_v more_o knowledge_n and_o judgement_n to_o resolve_v then_o himself_o and_o particular_o that_o in_o this_o point_n of_o probability_n and_o possession_n and_o other_o of_o kin_n to_o it_o he_o will_v look_v into_o mr._n ascham_n discourse_n and_o either_o believe_v it_o or_o confute_v it_o it_o be_v strange_a that_o these_o man_n shall_v swallow_v that_o work_n of_o many_o sheet_n and_o strain_n at_o this_o single_a one_o but_o indeed_o till_o that_o book_n be_v answer_v calvin_n bucer_n peter_n martyr_n gualther_n paraeus_n confute_v with_o the_o ground_n and_o reason_n of_o those_o judicious_a casuist_n who_o though_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o in_o these_o case_n of_o justice_n not_o in_o controversy_n between_o we_o can_v be_v reject_v as_o partial_a the_o cause_n stand_v good_a though_o the_o demurrer_n in_o his_o bad_a language_n call_v it_o bad_a but_o leave_v it_o good_a by_o his_o doubtful_a say_n and_o his_o weak_a reason_n pag._n 3._o he_o acknowledge_v when_o a_o unlawful_a power_n command_v a_o man_n perhaps_o may_v obey_v so_o perhaps_o the_o doctrine_n of_o obey_v unlawful_a power_n may_v be_v true_a and_o the_o demurrer_n go_v about_o to_o confute_v a_o doctrine_n which_o himself_o confess_v may_v be_v true_a and_o then_o with_o another_o perhaps_o he_o say_v that_o judah_n know_v none_o of_o the_o regal_a seed_n survive_v perhaps_o submitted_n to_o athaliahs_n government_n a_o most_o frivolous_a and_o ignorant_a perhaps_o for_o beside_o that_o god_n have_v promise_v that_o david_n seed_n shall_v not_o fail_v 7._o 2_o chron._n 21._o 7._o jehoiada_n the_o high_a priest_n know_v there_o be_v one_o of_o that_o seed_n alive_a and_o why_o do_v not_o he_o preach_v this_o demurrer_n doctrine_n to_o the_o people_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o obey_v the_o present_a tyrrant_n and_o that_o by_o it_o they_o establish_a tyranny_n betray_v the_o title_n of_o the_o just_a heir_n but_o no_o such_o 22._o 2_o chron._n 22._o doctrine_n appear_v but_o the_o daughter_n of_o ahab_n and_o jezabel_n very_o far_o from_o any_o title_n to_o the_o crown_n of_o judah_n be_v obey_v six_o year_n beside_o see_v here_o the_o slightness_n of_o this_o man_n who_o doctirne_n general_o be_v a_o perhaps_o and_o adventure_v do_v not_o the_o very_a text_n say_v jehoshabeth_n the_o high_a priest_n wife_n be_v daughter_n of_o jehoram_n and_o 11._o 2_o chron._n 22._o 11._o sister_n of_o ahaziah_n the_o late_a king_n and_o if_o so_o be_v not_o her_o title_n better_o than_o that_o of_o athaliah_n a_o stranger_n item_n pag._n 3._o he_o say_v the_o author_n conclude_v more_o than_o he_o undertake_v to_o prove_v but_o will_v the_o demurrer_n be_v offend_v if_o a_o man_n promise_v to_o give_v he_o ten_o pound_n do_v make_v his_o gift_n twenty_n and_o whereas_o he_o will_v glad_o know_v what_o difference_n between_o lawful_a and_o unlawful_a power_n if_o both_o necessarliy_v must_v be_v obey_v here_o indeed_o by_o confess_v his_o ignorance_n he_o may_v deserve_v pardon_n if_o it_o be_v not_o affect_v for_o he_o may_v know_v from_o the_o casuist_n that_o the_o one_o be_v give_v as_o to_o a_o person_n command_v by_o right_n of_o title_n the_o other_o by_o a_o interpretative_a consent_n and_o pro_fw-la tali_fw-la rerum_fw-la statu_fw-la for_o â—he_n preservation_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n which_o be_v in_o such_o a_o state_n that_o it_o will_v otherwise_o be_v ruin_v if_o i_o must_v give_v money_n to_o a_o poor_a honest_a man_n for_o charity_n and_o to_o a_o thief_n for_o safety_n be_v there_o no_o odds_o between_o a_o honest_a man_n and_o a_o thief_n as_o for_o his_o reject_v the_o interpretation_n of_o rom._n 13._o first_o he_o argue_v from_o a_o single_a late_a writer_n but_o show_v not_o from_o he_o what_o the_o text_n speak_v against_o obey_v a_o tyrant_n that_o want_v right_a but_o of_o a_o tyrant_n that_o do_v wrong_a for_o he_o write_v that_o this_o tyrant_n be_v a_o terror_n to_o good_a work_n now_o we_o know_v a_o tyrant_n in_o title_n may_v be_v a_o encouragement_n to_o good_a work_n and_o such_o there_o have_v be_v it_o be_v common_o say_v that_o some_o of_o the_o best_a law_n be_v make_v under_o richard_n the_o three_o but_o second_o against_o the_o demurrer_n and_o his_o interpretation_n be_v the_o judgement_n of_o these_o pillar_n of_o the_o church_n who_o understand_v that_o this_o place_n affirm_v the_o present_a power_n to_o be_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o be_v to_o be_v obey_v three_o let_v one_o greek_a word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d power_n or_o force_n and_o the_o other_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d authority_n or_o magistracy_n though_o nimrod_n by_o the_o former_a do_v obtain_v the_o latter_a yet_o paraeus_n say_v that_o his_o authority_n get_v by_o power_n be_v of_o god_n and_o so_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o text_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v see_v that_o place_n and_o other_o allege_v upon_o this_o very_a text_n by_o the_o author_n in_o the_o last_o edition_n and_o they_o will_v abundant_o overpoyse_v this_o single_a doctor_n opinion_n both_o by_o reason_n and_o authority_n pag._n 4._o he_o come_v to_o caudius_n and_o nero_n and_o first_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n may_v mean_v it_o of_o â—ny_n other_o pâ—wer_fw-fr abstractedly_a from_o the_o roman_n so_o that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o apostle_n most_o impertinent_o to_o tell_v the_o roman_n what_o obedience_n be_v to_o be_v give_v by_o other_o in_o another_o state_n but_o not_o by_o they_o in_o their_o own_o second_o let_v he_o remember_v that_o as_o peter_n martyr_n say_v the_o roman_n have_v now_o get_v the_o empire_n of_o the_o world_n and_o than_o what_o be_v the_o state_n this_o demurrer_n will_v have_v the_o apostle_n to_o mean_v three_o he_o say_v nothing_o to_o claudius_n who_o be_v set_v up_o direct_o against_o the_o counsel_n and_o resolution_n of_o the_o senate_n neither_o be_v there_o follow_v a_o free_a consent_n but_o yet_o further_o if_o the_o soldier_n set_v up_o a_o governor_n or_o government_n and_o a_o consent_n be_v so_o get_v let_v this_o demurrer_n talk_v with_o his_o learned_a council_n and_o then_o speak_v out_o plain_o whether_o vote_n get_v by_o or_o under_o force_n be_v valid_a for_o in_o some_o case_n they_o speak_v aloud_o they_o be_v not_o yet_o it_o seem_v they_o be_v when_o they_o may_v make_v for_o their_o turn_n four_o he_o speak_v of_o succeed_v upon_o caesar_n title_n but_o be_v not_o that_o title_n interrupt_v by_o a_o triumvirate_n and_o have_v not_o claudius_n a_o son_n when_o the_o soldier_n make_v nero_n his_o successor_n do_v not_o this_o man_n betray_v his_o main_a business_n by_o yield_n that_o he_o who_o be_v not_o the_o heir_n may_v be_v a_o lawful_a successor_n though_o a_o heir_n be_v live_v to_o the_o obedience_n give_v ancient_o in_o this_o kingdom_n and_o yet_o continue_v to_o law_n of_o usurper_n he_o answer_v general_o with_o doubt_n and_o suppose_v according_a to_o his_o irresulute_a manner_n and_o ever_o and_o anon_o come_v in_o which_o the_o usual_a burden_n of_o the_o song_n oath_n and_o covenant_n with_o a_o pair_n of_o perhaps_o and_o whereas_o he_o will_v lay_v this_o obedience_n on_o the_o darkness_n of_o the_o time_n by_o topery_n certain_o there_o be_v very_o good_a lawyer_n in_o time_n of_o popery_n and_o in_o those_o point_n popery_n do_v not_o darken_v wherein_o it_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v our_o present_a lawyer_n fetch_v the_o main_a ground_n of_o their_o profession_n from_o lawyer_n that_o be_v papist_n or_o in_o time_n of_o popery_n and_o it_o will_v 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he_o he_o say_v he_o sees_z that_o it_o be_v a_o great_a snare_n to_o be_v possess_v of_o great_a estate_n by_o that_o power_n which_o can_v divest_v they_o if_o they_o assist_v not_o their_o wicked_a design_n and_o that_o the_o author_n he_o speak_v of_o be_v entangle_v in_o this_o snare_n or_o else_o he_o will_v never_o undertake_v the_o patronage_n of_o so_o bad_a a_o cause_n for_o answer_v first_o this_o man_n can_v possible_o fetch_v any_o convince_a proof_n or_o demonstration_n of_o that_o which_o he_o say_v he_o see_v but_o fetch_v it_o whole_o from_o uncharitableness_n even_o a_o contrariety_n to_o that_o charity_n which_o think_v none_o evil_a this_o 13._o 1_o cor._n 13._o be_v all_o because_o the_o author_n will_v not_o comply_v with_o this_o man_n error_n and_o party_n and_o whereas_o he_o call_v it_o a_o bad_a cause_n certain_o it_o may_v be_v good_a still_o for_o he_o have_v very_o bad_o prove_v it_o to_o be_v bad_a and_o why_o do_v he_o not_o accuse_v calvin_n and_o bucer_n and_o paraeus_n and_o gualther_n and_o peter_n martyr_n for_o maintain_v a_o bad_a cause_n and_o do_v it_o for_o a_o place_n of_o profit_n as_o for_o any_o design_n the_o whole_a life_n of_o the_o author_n show_v he_o very_o clear_a of_o design_n and_o for_o this_o be_v it_o what_o design_v it_o will_v be_v he_o be_v no_o actor_n in_o it_o but_o a_o spectator_n only_o until_o he_o see_v a_o government_n set_v on_o foot_n and_o that_o justice_n may_v be_v have_v this_o way_n and_o no_o other_o and_o then_o have_v a_o right_a to_o act_v he_o believe_v that_o he_o may_v exercise_v it_o in_o just_a thing_n yea_o he_o believe_v that_o it_o be_v a_o duty_n though_o the_o government_n have_v be_v take_v by_o design_n and_o force_n that_o those_o who_o have_v take_v it_o and_o exclude_v all_o other_o shall_v give_v justice_n and_o if_o he_o assist_v in_o that_o which_o be_v good_a and_o which_o shall_v be_v sin_n if_o it_o be_v not_o do_v i_o think_v it_o go_v beyond_o the_o skill_n of_o this_o demurrer_n just_o to_o charge_v that_o which_o be_v good_a with_o sin_n and_o gild_n sure_o it_o be_v that_o he_o have_v the_o council_n and_o consent_n of_o impartial_a author_n and_o such_o be_v the_o dead_a not_o interest_v in_o our_o affair_n even_a author_n to_o who_o this_o demurrer_n be_v but_o a_o infant_n especial_o if_o this_o discourse_n be_v the_o top_n of_o his_o strength_n as_o it_o shall_v be_v or_o else_o he_o be_v false_a to_o his_o cause_n for_o a_o more_o weak_a irresolute_a and_o unresolved_a paper_n be_v seldom_o see_v for_o in_o it_o there_o be_v so_o many_o perhaps_o concern_v the_o chief_a point_n in_o question_n that_o he_o seem_v unresolved_a himself_o and_o how_o can_v he_o then_o resolve_v other_o but_o of_o this_o more_o in_o the_o conclusion_n and_o now_o because_o his_o matter_n be_v weak_a therefore_o his_o chief_a strength_n be_v lay_v upon_o scandalize_a the_o author_n and_o so_o his_o best_a argument_n be_v his_o own_o uncharitableness_n i_o be_o therefore_o the_o large_a in_o this_o point_n to_o make_v a_o plaster_n proportionable_a to_o the_o large_a poison_n of_o this_o serpentine_a discourse_n that_o bite_v the_o heel_n when_o it_o can_v not_o come_v to_o the_o head_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n he_o may_v learn_v to_o construe_v his_o latin_a by_o his_o own_o action_n in_o english_a scelere_fw-la tuendum_fw-la est_fw-la scelus_fw-la that_o a_o false_a doctrine_n must_v be_v maintain_v by_o false_a slander_n and_o now_o to_o make_v manifest_a that_o the_o author_n be_v not_o so_o fix_v to_o the_o world_n as_o to_o maintain_v a_o bad_a cause_n for_o a_o place_n of_o profit_n let_v the_o demurrer_n first_o know_v that_o this_o author_n at_o the_o pâ—ssing_n of_o the_o self_n deny_v ordinance_n give_v his_o vote_n clear_o for_o the_o quit_n of_o his_o place_n and_o do_v very_o think_v it_o go_v whereof_o he_o give_v very_o good_a testimony_n but_o that_o it_o please_v the_o house_n to_o declare_v it_o to_o be_v without_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o ordinance_n so_o it_o seem_v he_o have_v be_v able_a to_o quit_v such_o a_o place_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o public_a second_o for_o the_o employment_n of_o the_o profit_n of_o his_o place_n he_o have_v so_o communicate_v they_o amid_o all_o these_o sale_n of_o land_n and_o other_o opportunity_n which_o be_v now_o go_v that_o he_o have_v not_o increase_v his_o estate_n by_o purchase_n one_o five_o pound_n per_fw-la annum_fw-la but_o three_o with_o give_v maintenance_n to_o poor_a scholar_n '_o in_o university_n fatherless_a and_o poor_a child_n in_o school_n distress_a person_n of_o ireland_n poor_a in_o westminster_n london_n and_o the_o country_n poor_a servant_n of_o the_o late_a king_n poor_a distress_a widow_n of_o soldier_n and_o such_o to_o who_o arrear_n be_v due_a and_o maintenance_n of_o preach_v he_o have_v go_v beyond_o any_o for_o aught_o i_o know_v that_o have_v five_o time_n his_o estate_n and_o for_o get_v of_o reward_n or_o 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the_o author_n though_o he_o have_v never_o any_o hint_n of_o it_o by_o any_o notice_n from_o the_o author_n but_o now_o to_o the_o demur_n itself_o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o he_o hear_v few_o rational_a conscientious_a man_n be_v satisfy_v with_o the_o declaration_n of_o parliament_n it_o may_v be_v he_o converse_v with_o few_o man_n so_o rational_a and_o conscientious_a as_o to_o be_v free_a from_o partiality_n but_o how_o unsatisfy_v soever_o it_o be_v believe_v the_o author_n take_v his_o ground_n upon_o a_o suppose_a unsatisfaction_n whereas_o he_o say_v a_o people_n may_v perhaps_o lawful_o obey_v a_o government_n when_o there_o be_v no_o probability_n of_o recover_v their_o lose_a government_n if_o he_o will_v leave_v out_o this_o word_n perhaps_o wherewith_o he_o much_o