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m._n cartwright_n do_v not_o as_o well_o subject_a prince_n to_o excommunication_n as_o sander_n or_o allen_n or_o other_o papist_n and_o whether_o his_o doctrine_n be_v not_o as_o pernicious_a to_o princess_n authority_n as_o they_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v and_o therefore_o he_o pass_v by_o and_o say_v just_a nothing_o 12._o 49._o answer_v to_o the_o petit_fw-fr qu._n 49._o a_o doubt_n be_v make_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n do_v believe_v that_o subject_n may_v rebel_v against_o such_o king_n as_o they_o account_v papist_n or_o tyrant_n as_o some_o of_o that_o side_n have_v teach_v and_o he_o pass_v by_o in_o a_o grave_a silence_n 13._o 51._o ibidem_fw-la qu._n 51._o it_o be_v ask_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n and_o his_o fellow_n have_v not_o assemble_v in_o synod_n or_o rather_o conventicle_n and_o there_o enact_v &_o decree_v certain_a rule_n &_o order_n contrary_a to_o her_o majesty_n law_n and_o also_o subscribe_v they_o &_o procure_v other_o to_o subscribe_v they_o 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