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trow_v so_o many_o lyve_n by_o tale_n as_o you_o have_v toe_n and_o finger_n now_o if_o your_o brother_n or_o other_o unlerned_a will_v not_o perceive_v this_o true_a principle_n that_o anima_fw-la est_fw-la tota_fw-la in_o toto_fw-la &_o tota_fw-la in_o qualibet_fw-la parte_fw-la which_o yet_o yourself_o i_o trust_v do_v admit_v how_o little_a can_v they_o comprehend_v of_o christ_n whole_a presence_n under_o either_o kind_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o how_o desperate_a be_v you_o to_o make_v some_o believe_v that_o d._n hardinge_n opinion_n be_v that_o one_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o bread_n a_o other_o in_o the_o cup_n whereas_o you_o can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o catholic_a and_o receive_v faith_n herein_o m._n hardinge_n fancy_n the_o 14._o example_n jew._n 158_o fancy_n seem_v to_o reason_n thus_o ephren_n make_v homily_n in_o the_o syrian_a tongue_n and_o s._n hierome_n translate_v the_o bible_n into_o the_o slavon_n tongue_n ergo_fw-la the_o common_a service_n be_v in_o the_o latin_a or_o greek_a tongue_n many_o thing_n seem_v unto_o you_o m._n jew._n which_o be_v not_o so_o in_o deed_n for_o d._n harding_n in_o these_o place_n which_o you_o allege_v sustein_v the_o person_n not_o of_o a_o opponent_n as_o to_o you_o it_o seem_v which_o make_v argument_n for_o his_o own_o side_n but_o of_o a_o respondent_fw-la as_o his_o book_n declare_v which_o put_v away_o the_o objection_n of_o his_o adversary_n 75._o har._n fol._n 74._o 〈◊〉_d 75._o as_o in_o example_n the_o homily_n which_o ephrem_n make_v in_o the_o syrian_a tongue_n and_o the_o scripture_n which_o s._n hierome_n translate_v into_o the_o slavon_n tongue_n be_v not_o part_v of_o the_o public_a service_n nor_o serve_v to_o that_o purpose_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n to_o prove_v by_o they_o that_o the_o public_a service_n be_v in_o the_o mother_n tongue_n to_o this_o effect_n d._n har._n answer_v and_o do_v not_o at_o all_o gather_v by_o holy_a ephrem_n or_o s._n 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than_o only_o to_o you_o no_o father_n yet_o nor_o holy_a one_o ask_v to_o what_o end_n you_o be_v so_o earnest_a in_o that_o which_o no_o man_n deni_v you_o because_o he_o revereuce_v the_o holy_a father_n therefore_o do_v he_o admit_v their_o authority_n but_o because_o it_o greeve_v he_o to_o see_v they_o bring_v forth_o for_o a_o show_n only_o and_o countenance_n to_o be_v make_v on_o your_o side_n without_o any_o just_a occasion_n or_o purpose_n therefore_o he_o demand_v of_o you_o by_o a_o what_o than_o to_o show_v the_o cause_n wherefore_o you_o allege_v they_o you_o draw_v a_o fair_a length_n m._n jewel_n but_o you_o shoot_v at_o a_o wrong_n mark_n or_o at_o none_o rather_o at_o all_o but_o he_o say_v fear_n the_o 16._o example_n jew._n 199_o needless_a fear_n the_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n be_v doubt_v full_a etc._n etc._n s._n ambrose_n s._n augustine_n s._n chrysos_n etc._n etc._n understode_v it_o diverse_o and_o will_v he_o therefore_o conclude_v thus_o these_o father_n mistake_v s._n paul_n sense_n ergo_fw-la s_n paul_n have_v no_o sense_n or_o diverse_a doctor_n touch_v this_o place_n have_v diverse_a judgement_n ergo_fw-la we_o must_v have_v no_o judgement_n trouble_v not_o yourself_o m._n jewel_n with_o any_o of_o these_o doubt_n for_o he_o geave_v you_o no_o occasion_n but_o in_o answer_v your_o argument_n and_o not_o in_o form_v any_o of_o his_o own_o he_o require_v of_o you_o 14_o 1._o cor._n 14_o that_o s._n paul_n sense_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o blessing_n and_o speak_v w_z t_z spirit_n be_v so_o doubtful_a as_o it_o be_v you_o shall_v not_o so_o precise_o conclude_v that_o he_o mean_v by_o pra_v in_o spirit_n 〈◊〉_d â—ar_n fol._n 〈◊〉_d y_z e_z praye_v with_o a_o noise_n of_o strange_a word_n after_o your_o strange_a interpretation_n or_o
crake_v before_o the_o people_n that_o s._n paul_n word_n be_v most_o manifest_a that_o all_o public_a service_n shall_v be_v in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n now_o let_v we_o consider_v m._n hardinge_n reason_n the_o state_n say_v he_o slanderous_o the_o 17._o example_n jew._n 204._o slanderous_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v far_o unlike_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n we_o be_v now_o in_o ergo_fw-la we_o be_v not_o find_v to_o s._n paul_n commandment_n for_o shame_v of_o yourself_o why_o make_v you_o d._n harding_n to_o speak_v so_o contemptuous_o of_o the_o apostle_n and_o so_o proud_o of_o himself_o 95._o har._n 95._o his_o mind_n rather_o be_v that_o it_o be_v no_o commandment_n at_o all_o of_o the_o apostle_n because_o there_o be_v necessary_a occasion_n to_o geave_fw-mi it_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n which_o be_v not_o so_o necessary_a now_o and_o so_o it_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o commandment_n unto_o us._n as_o that_o woman_n shall_v go_v cover_v it_o be_v his_o express_a commandment_n yet_o now_o i_o trust_v you_o make_v no_o conscience_n of_o it_o 11_o 1._o cor._n 11_o to_o suffer_v your_o sister_n to_o go_v w_z t_z open_a face_n not_o because_o you_o reason_v thus_o we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o the_o apostle_n come_v maundement_n but_o because_o the_o state_n of_o this_o time_n and_o that_o be_v diverse_a you_o will_v interpret_v that_o it_o continue_v no_o more_o to_o be_v â—_o commandment_n again_o he_o say_v 204_o the_o 18._o example_n jew._n 204_o some_o one_o or_o other_o in_o a_o parisshe_v understand_v somewhat_o of_o the_o latin_a tongue_n ergo_fw-la they_o owght_fw-mi to_o have_v the_o serulce_n in_o a_o strange_a tongue_n 95._o har._n fol_z 95._o not_o so_o m._n jewel_n but_o ergo_fw-la the_o latin_a tongue_n be_v not_o utter_o strange_a and_o unknowen_a and_o therefore_o not_o forbid_v by_o s._n paul_n the_o people_n be_v sufficient_o instruct_v in_o religion_n 〈◊〉_d the_o 10._o exemple_n jew._n 204_o 〈◊〉_d they_o come_v together_o now_o not_o so_o much_o to_o be_v instruct_v as_o to_o pray_v ergo_fw-la they_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o service_n in_o a_o strange_a tongue_n neither_o be_v this_o so_o m._n jewel_n but_o ergo_fw-la there_o be_v no_o necessity_n wherefore_o it_o shall_v be_v in_o the_o vulgar_a as_o for_o this_o absolute_a conclusion_n that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o latin_a how_o can_v any_o catholitie_n make_v it_o whereas_o it_o be_v confess_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v dispense_v with_o the_o slavons_a to_o have_v their_o service_n in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n and_o may_v if_o cause_n so_o require_v permit_v it_o also_o unto_o other_o country_n it_o be_v good_a say_v m_n harding_n the_o people_n understode_v the_o service_n 206_o the_o 10._o example_n jew._n 206_o forget_v not_o this_o good_a reader_n that_o the_o people_n understode_v their_o service_n m._n harding_n himself_o confess_v it_o be_v good_a and_o why_o so_o yea_o but_o remember_v good_a reader_n or_o else_o mark_v d._n hardinge_n own_o word_n in_o which_o he_o speak_v not_o absolute_o of_o the_o people_n but_o of_o people_n have_v humble_a and_o reverent_a heart_n and_o such_o to_o understande_v their_o service_n it_o be_v he_o grant_v good_a but_o see_v what_o follow_v in_o m._n jewel_n and_o why_o so_o doubtless_o because_o be_v force_v to_o see_v and_o say_v that_o it_o will_v redound_v to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o to_o the_o great_a cumfort_n and_o profit_n of_o the_o people_n therefore_o he_o say_v it_o be_v good_a whereof_o we_o may_v gather_v this_o argument_n of_o the_o contrary_a then_o that_o the_o people_n in_o this_o brute_n sort_n be_v keep_v still_o in_o ignorance_n nothing_o much_o make_n of_o nothing_o not_o understand_v any_o portion_n of_o their_o common_a service_n by_o m._n hardinge_n confession_n it_o be_v ill_a and_o be_v it_o not_o lawful_a to_o do_v that_o be_v good_a to_o redress_v that_o be_v il_fw-fr to_o seek_v god_n glory_n and_o the_o cumfort_n of_o his_o people_n without_o consent_n of_o a_o general_n council_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v good_a m._n jewel_n every_o man_n to_o know_v the_o rule_n of_o physik_n to_o have_v thereby_o how_o to_o help_v himself_o the_o statute_n of_o the_o common_a law_n the_o better_a to_o keep_v they_o the_o counsel_n of_o god_n in_o work_v owr_a redemption_n and_o may_v you_o then_o well_o gather_v this_o argument_n of_o the_o contrary_a that_o it_o be_v ill_a to_o be_v ignorant_a of_o physic_n law_n &_o divinity_n sure_o lest_o you_o shall_v take_v this_o advantage_n and_o show_v after_o a_o wise_a sort_n your_o folly_n error_n shameful_a craft_n or_o error_n d._n harding_n provide_v very_o well_o but_o that_o you_o divide_v his_o sentence_n which_o be_v but_o one_o for_o after_o he_o have_v say_v it_o be_v good_a the_o people_n have_v humble_a &_o reverend_a heart_n understode_v y_o e_o service_n har._n i_o deny_v not_o although_o you_o make_v not_o only_o a_o full_a point_n there_o but_o also_o a_o end_n of_o your_o 31._o division_n as_o who_o shall_v think_v d._n har._n have_v say_v as_o much_o as_o he_o will_v in_o this_o sentence_n yet_o there_o follow_v immediate_o this_o adver_v sative_a yet_o all_o stand_v not_o in_o understan_n dinge_v by_o which_o he_o mean_v express_o that_o though_o it_o be_v good_a the_o people_n to_o understand_v their_o service_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o ill_a to_o be_v unskilful_a thereof_o because_o all_o stand_v not_o in_o under_o stand_a as_o he_o prove_v out_o of_o two_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n now_o see_v your_o fidelity_n m._n jewel_n this_o aduersative_a yet_o which_o open_v the_o matter_n and_o shall_v go_v together_o with_o y_z e_z former_a part_n of_o the_o sentence_n you_o cut_v await_v clean_o from_o it_o and_o begin_v your_o 32._o division_n with_o it_o that_o you_o may_v seem_v not_o to_o have_v reason_v all_o in_o vain_a in_o saie_v this_o be_v good_a ergo_fw-la the_o other_o be_v ill_a whereas_o if_o you_o take_v d._n har._n whole_a meaning_n you_o shall_v find_v he_o to_o say_v no_o more_o in_o effect_n but_o this_o be_v good_a yet_o you_o e_o other_o be_v not_o to_o be_v mislike_v have_v you_o any_o privilege_n thus_o to_o pervert_v right_a sense_n at_o your_o pleasure_n out_o of_o origine_fw-la m._n harding_n gather_v this_o reason_n 210_o the_o 21._o example_n few_o 210_o the_o angel_n be_v delit_v to_o hear_v we_o read_v or_o pray_v although_o we_o of_o our_o weakness_n know_v not_o thorough_o what_o we_o speak_v ergo_fw-la the_o people_n in_o origens_n time_n have_v the_o common_a service_n in_o a_o strange_a tongue_n not_o so_o m._n jewel_n although_o the_o conclusion_n be_v true_a but_o if_o you_o add_v further_o to_o the_o antecedent_n as_o you_o shall_v do_v that_o the_o read_n of_o psalm_n though_o not_o under_o stand_v do_v provoke_v the_o angel_n to_o help_v we_o then_o follow_v the_o right_a consequent_a in_o deed_n ergo_fw-la there_o come_v profit_n to_o the_o reader_n and_o hearer_n of_o the_o service_n in_o the_o latin_a tongue_n â–ª_o har._n 97_o â–ª_o though_o it_o be_v not_o understand_v the_o people_n 214_o the_o 22._o example_n jew._n 214_o say_v m._n harding_n be_v gross_a and_o simple_a and_o can_v not_o understand_v the_o scripture_n by_o hear_v the_o same_o in_o the_o mother_n tongue_n ergo_fw-la they_o must_v hear_v it_o pronounce_v in_o the_o latin_a tongue_n this_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o very_a simple_a argument_n it_o be_v so_o in_o deed_n yet_o it_o be_v of_o your_o own_o make_n which_o myslike_v it_o for_o d._n har._n conclude_v after_o a_o other_o sort_n saie_v ergo_fw-la if_o our_o new_a master_n will_v condemn_v the_o latin_a service_n in_o the_o latin_a church_n 98._o had._n fol._n 98._o for_o that_o the_o people_n understand_v it_o not_o they_o must_v also_o condemn_v for_o a_o great_a part_n y_z e_z english_a service_n which_o the_o common_a people_n for_o y_fw-es e_fw-es great_a part_n of_o the_o scripture_n read_v therein_o do_v not_o understand_v 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