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the_o apostle_n so_o much_o insist_v upon_o all_o scripture_n inspire_v of_o god_n be_v profitable_a to_o teach_v etc._n etc._n if_o protestant_n can_v so_o so_o the_o minister_n here_o heap_v many_o speech_n of_o father_n that_o say_v the_o scripture_n be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o profitable_a signifyes_n the_o same_o that_o sufficient_a this_o be_v ridiculous_a the_o jesuit_n grant_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v sufficient_a for_o they_o that_o know_v tradition_n yet_o he_o will_v still_o deny_v that_o profitable_a signifyes_n the_o same_o as_o sufficient_a how_o catholic_n grant_v the_o same_o sufficiency_n to_o be_v in_o scripture_n as_o protestant_n and_o the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n about_o sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n and_o of_o tradition_n the_o minister_n here_o enter_v into_o a_o long_a impertinent_a discourse_n about_o the_o clarity_n &_o sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n set_v title_n over_o the_o head_n of_o his_o page_n many_o scripture_n plain_a the_o scripture_n sufficient_a etc._n etc._n as_o who_o will_v say_v the_o answerer_n have_v deny_v this_o to_o discover_v these_o his_o false_a insinuation_n and_o to_o clear_v this_o controversy_n most_o important_a we_o must_v know_v 5._o thing_n first_o that_o there_o be_v once_o a_o controversy_n betwixt_o protestant_n and_o we_o about_o the_o sufficiency_n &_o clarity_n of_o scripture_n for_o in_o their_o beginning_n they_o teach_v all_o matter_n of_o faith_n to_o be_v express_v in_o scripture_n and_o nothing_o involue_v omnia_fw-la expressa_fw-la nihil_fw-la involutum_fw-la de_fw-fr tota_fw-la scriptura_fw-la dico_fw-la nullam_fw-la eius_fw-la partem_fw-la obscuram_fw-la esse_fw-la so_o luther_n de_fw-fr â—erâ—to_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la in_o tom._n 2._o wittenberg_n nothing_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v without_o the_o word_n of_o god_n though_o it_o seem_v deduce_v by_o good_a consequence_n luther_n in_o locis_fw-la commun_n 1._o part_n c._n 24._o pag._n 69._o second_o now_o 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a_o unfolding_n rule_n
can_v clear_o demonstrate_v the_o conâ—â—ary_a and_o if_o they_o desire_v to_o know_v than_o they_o know_v the_o particular_n â—or_a what_o our_o minister_n say_v pag._n 319._o lin_v 20._o that_o a_o father_n in_o lonâ—â—n_n may_v be_v solicitous_a about_o his_o son_n safety_n that_o be_v at_o constantinople_n and_o yet_o not_o â—â—ow_o the_o particular_n be_v frivolous_a for_o this_o london_n father_n be_v not_o bless_v &_o 〈◊〉_d he_o may_v be_v desirous_a to_o know_v particular_n and_o not_o know_v they_o and_o so_o be_v perplex_v for_o want_v of_o his_o knowledge_n the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n be_v bless_v â—nd_v so_o desire_v not_o to_o know_v any_o thing_n but_o they_o know_v it_o therefore_o see_v accord_v to_o the_o instinct_n and_o inclination_n of_o solicitous_a charity_n they_o can_v â—ut_v desire_v the_o knowledge_n of_o their_o friend_n affair_n they_o must_v if_o they_o be_v perfect_o bless_v be_v satisfy_v in_o this_o their_o charitable_a desire_n to_o know_v such_o 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saint_n §._o 3._o the_o three_o cause_n of_o their_o dislike_n be_v that_o we_o give_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o creator_n unto_o the_o creature_n honour_v saint_n with_o religious_a worship_n in_o spirit_n &_o truth_n even_o to_o the_o prostrate_v of_o our_o body_n before_o they_o whereby_o we_o give_v they_o honour_v due_a to_o god_n only_o and_o bring_v in_o many_o god_n as_o the_o heathen_n do_v to_o this_o objection_n make_v long_o ago_o by_o faustus_n the_o manichee_n s._n augustine_n lib._n 20._o cont_n faust._n c._n 22._o answer_v in_o these_o word_n the_o christian_a people_n do_v celebrate_v with_o religious_a solemnity_n the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n to_o the_o end_n to_o stir_v up_o themselves_o to_o their_o imitation_n &_o that_o they_o may_v be_v assist_v with_o their_o prayer_n and_o associate_v unto_o their_o merit_n etc._n etc._n but_o with_o the_o worship_n term_v in_o greek_a latria_n and_o which_o the_o latin_a language_n can_v express_v in_o one_o word_n be_v a_o certain_a subjection_n &_o servitude_n due_a proper_o to_o the_o deity_n only_o we_o do_v not_o honour_v any_o but_o only_a god_n nor_o think_v that_o this_o honour_n ought_v to_o be_v give_v but_o only_o to_o he_o these_o word_n of_o s._n augustine_n show_v that_o worship_n of_o saint_n to_o be_v on_o the_o one_o side_n more_o than_o civil_a and_o on_o the_o other_o side_n less_o than_o divine_a more_o than_o civil_a as_o proceed_v out_o of_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o excellency_n saint_n have_v superior_a unto_o all_o natural_a by_o which_o they_o be_v partaker_n of_o divine_a perfection_n in_o that_o high_a degree_n as_o no_o substance_n can_v by_o nature_n participate_v thereof_o and_o therefore_o s._n augustine_n with_o good_a reason_n term_n it_o religious_a charity_n religious_a the_o minister_n pag._n 312._o contrary_a to_o his_o custom_n propose_v this_o argument_n true_o to_o every_o kind_n of_o excellency_n there_o be_v a_o worship_n due_a proportional_a to_o that_o excellency_n but_o the_o bless_a saint_n and_o angel_n have_v a_o special_a kind_n of_o excellency_n which_o be_v supernatural_a superhumane_a more_o than_o civil_a therefore_o special_a honour_n proportional_a to_o the_o excellency_n and_o superior_a unto_o humane_a and_o civil_a be_v due_a unto_o they_o to_o this_o argument_n he_o answer_v that_o in_o saint_n there_o be_v dignity_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n and_o honour_n be_v due_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o same_o but_o not_o religious_a worship_n thus_o he_o what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o trifle_n &_o talk_v in_o the_o air_n who_o doubt_n m._n white_a but_o there_o be_v the_o dignity_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n in_o saint_n and_o honour_v due_a unto_o it_o speak_v plain_o and_o mutter_v not_o betwixt_o the_o tooth_n be_v the_o honour_n due_a to_o saint_n proportional_a to_o their_o excellency_n that_o be_v more_o than_o civil_a be_v it_o superhumane_a &_o supernatural_a as_o their_o excellency_n be_v be_v it_o superior_a unto_o that_o kind_n of_o honour_n which_o be_v due_a unto_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o other_o human_a honourable_a personage_n in_o regard_n of_o mere_a natural_a perfection_n if_o you_o grant_v that_o worship_v superhumane_a and_o more_o than_o civil_a be_v due_a unto_o saint_n you_o grant_v as_o much_o as_o we_o desire_v to_o prove_v the_o term_n of_o religious_a worship_n be_v ambiguous_a sometime_o religious_a worship_n be_v take_v for_o that_o which_o be_v a_o elicitive_a &_o formal_a act_n of_o religion_n &_o of_o divine_a worship_n due_a unto_o the_o increated_a excellency_n of_o the_o creator_n in_o this_o sense_n the_o worship_n of_o saint_n be_v not_o religious_a at_o other_o time_n it_o be_v take_v for_o worship_n which_o be_v a_o imperative_fw-it act_n of_o religion_n that_o be_v worship_v do_v to_o saint_n out_o of_o inward_a religion_n and_o devotion_n towards_o god_n who_o servant_n and_o friend_n they_o be_v in_o this_o sense_n the_o worship_n of_o saint_n be_v religious_a
say_v his_o suffering_n as_o example_n be_v perfect_a and_o full_a &_o yet_o be_v supply_v by_o saint_n paul_n why_o may_v not_o the_o same_o suffering_n as_o satisfaction_n be_v supply_v by_o s._n paul_n without_o be_v imperfect_a for_o saint_n paul_n be_v say_v to_o supply_v the_o suffering_n of_o christ_n as_o satisfactory_a not_o because_o they_o be_v not_o of_o infinite_a value_n but_o because_o god_n will_v have_v the_o satisfaction_n of_o his_o servant_n to_o be_v join_v with_o christ_n that_o christ_n may_v have_v their_o full_a effect_n even_o to_o the_o cancel_v of_o the_o debt_n of_o temporal_a pain_n minister_n pag._n 564._o the_o indulgence_n tertullian_n oppose_v be_v the_o same_o whereof_o s._n cyprian_n speak_v epist._n 10.11.12_o to_o wit_n relaxation_n of_o canonical_a censure_n and_o pennance_n to_o notorious_a sinner_n at_o the_o request_n of_o martyr_n live_v in_o prison_n answer_n it_o be_v true_a tertullian_n be_v a_o heretic_n oppose_v such_o indulgence_n as_o 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beside_o their_o own_o suffering_n according_a as_o they_o be_v satisfactory_a for_o sin_n minister_n pag._n 565._o the_o adversary_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v pope_n pardon_n in_o tertullians_n day_n that_o he_o can_v prove_v they_o have_v any_o be_v in_o the_o day_n of_o peter_n lombard_n or_o hugo_n victor_n answer_n still_o you_o show_v yourself_o to_o be_v a_o bold_a affirmer_n about_o thing_n you_o know_v not_o for_o what_o more_o evident_a falsehood_n than_o this_o you_o vent_v that_o indulgence_n have_v not_o any_o be_v in_o the_o day_n of_o peter_n lombard_n the_o waldensian_a sect_n be_v in_o be_v in_o the_o day_n of_o peter_n lombard_n as_o do_v witness_n illyricus_n in_o cate-log_n test._n colum_fw-la 1498._o and_o they_o as_o the_o same_o illyricus_n do_v record_n ibid._n colum_fw-la 1501._o &_o 1511._o contemn_v and_o deride_v the_o indulgence_n of_o the_o church_n which_o they_o will_v not_o have_v do_v but_o that_o they_o see_v the_o same_o have_v 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