in_o a_o good_a sense_n â—ay_n becal_v a_o parish_n one_o ordinary_a assembly_n as_o i_o have_v say_v the_o true_a grammar_n sense_n and_o proper_a meaning_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la in_o those_o time_n do_v prove_v it_o what_o divinitic_n shall_v we_o expect_v from_o these_o doctor_n whâ—_n will_v pervert_v grammar_n which_o ouâ—_n doctor_n be_v not_o ignorant_a of_o but_o his_o error_n herein_o be_v wilful_a all_o sound_a 32._o sound_a see_v my_o declarat_fw-la pag._n 18_o 32._o autor_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n according_a to_o who_o the_o apostle_n do_v speak_v do_v show_v that_o ecclesia_fw-la in_o the_o time_n then_o and_o always_o before_o signify_v one_o ordinary_a congregation_n only_o and_o not_o many_o his_o five_o error_n here_o be_v that_o the_o new_a testament_n note_v some_o church_n not_o define_v whether_o a_o entire_a church_n or_o but_o a_o part_n and_o he_o cit_v act._n 9.31_o and_o 15._o 3.4.41_o and_o 18.22_o rom._n 16.16.23.1_o cor._n 4.17_o and_o 6.4_o and_o 11.16_o and_o 14.33_o with_o a_o great_a many_o other_o but_o all_o these_o be_v likewise_o by_o he_o gross_o abuse_v for_o in_o all_o these_o place_n the_o scripture_n speak_v entire_o &_o proper_o not_o by_o a_o figure_n whereof_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n appear_v in_o the_o text_n only_o in_o act._n 15.4_o the_o church_n signify_v a_o part_n namely_o the_o people_n because_o the_o text_n express_o distinguish_v it_o here_o from_o their_o guide_v who_o be_v a_o part_n also_o thus_o in_o all_o the_o whole_a write_n of_o the_o apostle_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n which_o show_v a_o diocesan_n church_n to_o have_v be_v then_o wherefore_o in_o this_o point_n he_o be_v quite_o overthrow_v rest_v the_o d._n pervert_v his_o text_n on_o which_o his_o sermon_n &_o defense_n rest_v yea_o his_o very_a text_n apoc._n â—_o 20_o which_o be_v the_o whole_a foundation_n of_o his_o sermon_n and_o defence_n be_v find_v to_o be_v utter_o pervert_v and_o abuse_v together_o with_o the_o 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this_o 65._o this_o pag._n 65._o the_o apoâ—les_n appoint_a minister_n to_o whole_a city_n and_o country_n adjoin_v to_o labour_v so_o far_o as_o they_o â—ere_z able_a the_o conversion_n of_o all_o true_a what_o â—hen_o therefore_o they_o appoint_v they_o â—o_o stand_v minister_n still_o to_o whole_a city_n and_z country_n adjoin_v i_o deny_v â—his_n consequence_n it_o be_v a_o plain_a fallacy_n â—b_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la secundum_fw-la quâ—d_fw-la fallacy_n fallacy_n ad_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la 〈◊〉_d pray_v sir_n when_o logic_n fail_v you_o play_v not_o the_o sophister_n the_o apostle_n appoint_v minister_n to_o convert_v what_o they_o can_v in_o great_a city_n and_o country_n adjoin_v yea_o and_o in_o the_o whole_a 13.33_o whole_a math._n 13.33_o world_n but_o not_o to_o stand_v minister_n &_o pastor_n to_o all_o they_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v convert_v but_o only_o according_a tâ—_n the_o order_n and_o form_n of_o a_o church_n seâ—_n down_o in_o the_o new_a 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never_o intend_v then_o his_o gross_a untruth_n &_o unschollerlike_a assertion_n ought_v 〈◊〉_d be_v mark_v where_o he_o say_v 75._o say_v pag_n 75._o the_o â—ord_n ecclesia_fw-la be_v of_o a_o large_a extent_n then_o to_o signify_v only_o one_o assembly_n i_o appeal_v to_o all_o auâ—entike_a greek_a author_n thucydides_n deâ—osthenes_n plato_n aristotle_n isocrates_n etc._n etc._n out_o â—f_n who_o plentiful_a allegation_n may_v be_v bring_v all_o of_o they_o show_v that_o this_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la do_v evermore_o signify_v only_o one_o assembly_n and_o never_o a_o disperse_a multitude_n hold_v many_o ordinary_a set_a meeting_n in_o far_o remote_a place_n as_o diocesan_n and_o large_a church_n do_v now_o according_a to_o these_o and_o other_o greek_n live_v in_o the_o apostle_n day_n do_v the_o apostle_n speak_v and_o this_o i_o have_v heretofore_o often_o 110._o often_o reas._o for_o ref_o pag_n 64._o declarat_fw-la pag_n 31._o 32._o &_o above_o pa._n 110._o propound_v and_o affirm_v as_o a_o principal_a ground_n and_o cause_n of_o our_o dissent_n from_o the_o church_n state_n in_o england_n and_o the_o ground_n be_v certain_a it_o can_v not_o be_v with_o reason_n speak_v against_o the_o d._n here_o 15._o here_o pag._n 14._o 15._o put_v in_o to_o the_o contrary_a the_o use_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la in_o eusebius_n who_o use_v it_o to_o signify_v sometime_o a_o diocesan_n and_o provincial_n church_n he_o do_v so_o sometime_o i_o deny_v it_o not_o and_o so_o after_o he_o the_o father_n do_v use_v the_o word_n likewise_o as_o epiphanius_n theodoret_n chrysostome_n and_o the_o councille_n and_o history_n writer_n etc._n etc._n all_o this_o we_o know_v well_o but_o what_o have_v we_o to_o do_v with_o these_o author_n so_o late_o and_o so_o partial_a as_o these_o all_o be_v touch_v the_o exposition_n of_o the_o greek_a word_n ecclesia_fw-la the_o time_n that_o eusebius_n write_v in_o write_v when_o eusebius_n write_v be_v about_o 340._o year_n of_o 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214._o forefather_n of_o late_a have_v discover_v this_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n have_v find_v out_o also_o the_o corruption_n &_o depravation_n even_o of_o this_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la which_o have_v be_v extend_v large_a and_o far_o than_o apostolical_o it_o be_v the_o which_o abuse_v of_o this_o very_a word_n doubtless_o be_v a_o pregnant_a reason_n and_o mean_n among_o other_o to_o extend_v the_o church_n and_o government_n thereof_o to_o that_o universality_n which_o it_o come_v to_o and_o be_v still_o vehement_o challenge_v by_o the_o catholic_n wherefore_o great_a cause_n have_v we_o ad_fw-la originem_fw-la reverti_fw-la to_o go_v back_o even_o up_o to_o the_o first_o original_a and_o beginning_n as_o cyprian_n well_o advise_v us._n for_o so_o say_v he_o cessat_fw-la error_n humanus_fw-la thus_o and_o not_o otherwise_o error_n which_o have_v begin_v from_o man_n will_v cease_v wherefore_o we_o must_v refuse_v eusebius_n epiphanius_n theodoret_n and_o all_o either_o in_o or_o 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division_n who_o teach_v and_o hold_v any_o thing_n beside_o the_o doctrine_n learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n so_o that_o indeed_o the_o mean_n appoint_v of_o god_n to_o make_v unity_n in_o the_o church_n be_v god_n word_n and_o not_o one_o superior_a overrule_a minister_n over_o many_o distinct_a ordinary_a congregation_n which_o the_o word_n know_v not_o but_o in_o truth_n such_o a_o one_o be_v the_o very_a proper_a cause_n of_o dissension_n and_o schism_n for_o he_o not_o willing_a to_o submit_v to_o god_n word_n by_o his_o power_n draw_v many_o with_o he_o &_o yet_o he_o can_v light_o prevail_v with_o all_o whereupon_o follow_v dissension_n and_o schism_n and_o then_o he_o with_o his_o company_n be_v the_o strong_a in_o the_o world_n may_v cry_v out_o loud_a against_o those_o few_o that_o dissent_v from_o he_o that_o they_o be_v
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of_o god_n pure_o but_o quia_fw-la ei_fw-la gravis_fw-la scrupulus_fw-la â—iectus_fw-la est_fw-la de_fw-la suâ_fw-la vocatione_n quod_fw-la in_o ed_z ecclesis_n ac_fw-la populi_fw-la elestionem_fw-la seu_fw-la censirmationem_fw-la uâ—_n be_v habuerit_fw-la ideò_fw-la etc._n etc._n because_o he_o have_v a_o great_a scruple_n in_o his_o conscience_n about_o his_o calâ—aâ—g_n see_v he_o have_v not_o therein_o the_o election_n or_o confirmation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o people_n therefore_o he_o send_v for_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o desire_v they_o that_o they_o will_v consider_v godly_a and_o wise_o whether_o they_o will_v choose_v confirm_v and_o haâ—e_v hâ—n_v for_o their_o bishop_n which_o if_o they_o think_v good_a to_o do_v he_o will_v do_v his_o endeavour_n that_o as_o he_o begin_v so_o he_o will_v go_v on_o as_o he_o be_v able_a by_o teach_v and_o exhort_v to_o edifiâ—â—_n and_o increase_v the_o church_n commit_v to_o he_o but_o if_o they_o think_v he_o 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which_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o congregation_n of_o the_o faithful_a they_o ordain_v elder_n which_o be_v first_o choose_v of_o the_o faithful_a and_o this_o form_n of_o elect_v and_o ordain_v elder_n and_o bishop_n the_o apostle_n commend_v unto_o his_o fellow_n workman_n titus_n and_o timothy_n say_v 5._o say_v tiâ—_n 1_o 5._o for_o this_o cause_n i_o leave_v thou_o in_o crete_n etc._n etc._n for_o who_o will_v believe_v that_o he_o ordain_v that_o titus_n shall_v do_v otherwise_o then_o both_o he_o and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v accustom_v to_o do_v therefore_o both_o by_o example_n and_o ordinace_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n elder_n pastor_n bishop_n and_o deacon_n be_v in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a meeting_n choose_v of_o the_o people_n by_o lift_v up_o of_o hand_n also_o he_o say_v the_o form_n of_o election_n use_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v conformable_a to_o the_o liberty_n and_o privilege_n of_o the_o church_n 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town_n by_o town_n and_o again_o 5._o again_o 1._o tim._n 5._o take_v heed_n that_o thou_o lay_v not_o thy_o hand_n rash_o on_o any_o but_o we_o answer_v that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o use_v any_o tyranny_n in_o the_o church_n nor_o themselves_o alone_o to_o have_v do_v these_o thing_n which_o pertain_v either_o to_o election_n or_o ordination_n other_o man_n in_o the_o church_n shut_v out_o for_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n do_v create_v bishop_n and_o elder_n in_o the_o church_n but_o communicate_v their_o counsel_n with_o the_o church_n yea_o and_o with_o the_o consent_n and_o approve_v of_o the_o people_n yea_o of_o minister_n that_o govern_v anic_a church_n without_o or_o against_o their_o consent_n thus_o he_o say_v 5.4_o say_v in_o 1._o coâ—_n 5.4_o vâ—bem_fw-la prodere_fw-la diâ—untur_fw-la legati_fw-la qui_fw-la diversum_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la urbe_fw-la prescriptum_fw-la est_fw-la agunt_fw-la those_o embassador_n be_v say_v to_o betray_v the_o city_n who_o do_v any_o thing_n divers_a from_o that_o which_o be_v prescribe_v they_o by_o the_o city_n gualther_n 10._o gualther_n gualther_n likewise_o be_v as_o plain_a as_o can_v be_v say_v he_o of_o the_o call_n of_o minister_n 13.1_o minister_n hoâ—â—il_n in_o act_n 13.1_o divinitùs_fw-la vocatos_fw-la esse_fw-la censebimus_fw-la quâ—scunque_fw-la dei_fw-la spiritus_fw-la donis_fw-la necessarijs_fw-la instruxerit_fw-la &_o legitiâ—â—s_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la suffragijs_fw-la elegerit_fw-la aliquas_fw-la enim_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la causa_fw-la part_n ecclesiae_fw-la mandatas_fw-la esse_fw-la hiâ—_n locus_fw-la perspicuè_fw-fr tradit_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la calculum_fw-la spiritus_fw-la requirit_fw-la we_o will_v esteem_v they_o to_o have_v a_o call_n from_o god_n whosoever_o god_n spirit_n have_v â—â—abled_v with_o necessary_a gift_n and_o have_v choose_v by_o the_o church_n lawful_a give_v of_o voice_n for_o this_o place_n plain_o show_v that_o in_o this_o cause_n there_o be_v some_o part_n 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or_o archbishop_n etc._n etc._n veluti_fw-la in_o mediâ_fw-la angliâ_n as_o it_o be_v use_v in_o england_n id_fw-la quod_fw-la dolendum_fw-la est_fw-la which_o i_o speak_v with_o grief_n moreover_o concern_v excommunication_n he_o say_v 1._o say_v in_o vers_fw-la 1._o hac_fw-la iurisdictio_fw-la est_fw-la totuâ—_fw-la quidem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la ratione_fw-la potestatis_fw-la prepositotum_fw-la autem_fw-la ratione_fw-la exercitij_fw-la &_o adminisirationis_fw-la this_o jurisdiction_n be_v the_o whole_a church_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o power_n thereof_o but_o it_o belonge_v to_o the_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n in_o respect_n â—f_a administer_a it_o namely_o populo_fw-la assentiente_fw-la with_o the_o people_n consent_n as_o he_o add_v a_o â—ittle_a after_o and_o again_o executioni_fw-la puâ—lica_fw-la censura_fw-la intervenire_fw-la debet_fw-la notitia_fw-la &_o conâ—ensus_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la the_o knowledge_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o be_v in_o the_o 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have_v to_o that_o purâ—ise_n handle_v in_o my_o 3._o and_o 9_o argument_n of_o the_o divine_a beginning_n and_o institution_n of_o christ_n visible_a and_o ministerial_a church_n do_v well_o show_v and_o testify_v to_o we_o so_o much_o chap._n vi_o our_o very_a adversary_n do_v acknowledge_v with_o we_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o doctrine_n sometime_o in_o plain_a term_n 6._o chap._n 6._o and_o sometime_o to_o the_o same_o full_a effect_n special_o when_o they_o deal_v against_o the_o papist_n the_o force_n and_o evidence_n of_o this_o truth_n viz._n touch_v the_o people_n right_a for_o their_o free_a consent_n in_o church_n government_n be_v such_o that_o also_o our_o very_a adversary_n sometime_o in_o plain_a term_n sometime_o to_o the_o same_o full_a effect_n do_v acknowledge_v it_o among_o many_o i_o will_v content_v myself_o with_o two_o for_o the_o present_a viz._n d._n bilson_n and_o d._n downame_n the_o first_o of_o these_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o apology_n of_o the_o 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359._o the_o late_a bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v not_o cease_v curse_v and_o fight_v till_o exclude_v both_o prince_n and_o people_n they_o reduce_v the_o election_n whole_o to_o the_o clergy_n but_o he_o tell_v they_o that_o by_o their_o leave_n apply_v hereunto_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n mat._n 19_o 8._o it_o be_v not_o so_o from_o the_o beginning_n again_o he_o say_v 330._o say_v pag._n 330._o i_o a_o knowledge_n each_o church_n and_o people_n stand_v frâ—e_v by_o god_n law_n to_o admit_v maintain_v and_o obey_v no_o man_n as_o their_o pastor_n without_o their_o like_n where_o in_o deed_n he_o add_v to_o the_o contrary_a unless_o by_o law_n custom_n or_o consent_v they_o restrain_v themselves_o but_o this_o he_o himself_o elsewhere_a answer_v roundly_o 221._o roundly_o pag._n 221._o what_o authority_n have_v other_o after_o the_o apostle_n death_n to_o change_v the_o apostolic_a government_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o from_o the_o beginning_n which_o before_o he_o answer_v be_v a_o full_a confutation_n also_o of_o this_o exception_n as_o also_o where_o he_o call_v man_n ordinance_n in_o church_n government_n 19_o government_n pag._n 19_o corruption_n of_o time_n invention_n of_o man_n and_o a_o transgress_a of_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n for_o the_o tradition_n of_o man_n and_o where_o he_o call_v such_o ordinance_n 111._o ordinance_n pag._n 111._o intrusion_n and_o presumption_n as_o for_o that_o he_o say_v elsewhere_o in_o this_o book_n 82._o book_n pag_n 82._o the_o multitude_n he_o mean_v the_o christian_a people_n neither_o can_v not_o can_v judge_v of_o the_o gift_n and_o ability_n of_o pastor_n no_o more_o then_o blind_a man_n of_o colour_n this_o show_v plain_o his_o variable_a mind_n &_o contradiction_n to_o himself_o as_o for_o the_o matter_n it_o be_v speak_v mere_o out_o of_o a_o humour_n and_o partiality_n against_o we_o and_o that_o his_o lordship_n in_o spiritual_a thing_n over_o christ_n people_n may_v be_v establish_v but_o before_o 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their_o trust_n in_o the_o live_a god_n 2.13_o god_n chap._n 2.13_o they_o dig_v to_o themselves_o pit_n that_o can_v hold_v no_o water_n it_o be_v true_a the_o universal_a and_o perpetual_a practice_n of_o christ_n church_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v always_o good_a and_o holy_a this_o i_o grant_v but_o it_o be_v because_o such_o practice_n evermore_o have_v the_o apostle_n plain_a writing_n for_o it_o and_o with_o it_o which_o the_o church_n say_v practice_n can_v not_o be_v destitute_a of_o but_o yet_o suppose_v our_o adversary_n have_v some_o kind_n of_o general_a consent_n of_o man_n for_o they_o as_o they_o pretend_v see_v they_o can_v not_o indeed_o produce_v the_o scripture_n more_o than_o the_o papist_n do_v who_o also_o pretend_v the_o like_a universal_a consent_n for_o their_o turn_n or_o suppose_v that_o they_o do_v but_o pretend_v all_o this_o universality_n &_o perpetuity_n be_v far_o from_o it_o indeed_o then_o why_o i_o praâ—_n shall_v not_o we_o answer_v they_o as_o d._n bilson_n sometime_o answer_v the_o say_v papist_n say_v 360_o say_v answ_n to_o the_o seminar_n part_n 4._o pa._n 360_o if_o you_o want_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n and_o religion_n he_o mean_v the_o scripture_n in_o vain_a you_o do_v seek_v to_o make_v a_o show_n of_o catholicisme_n with_o such_o patch_n and_o pamplet_n etc._n etc._n when_o you_o muster_v the_o father_n to_o disprove_v the_o scripture_n and_o to_o establish_v a_o unwritten_a faith_n under_o the_o credit_n of_o tradition_n you_o corrupt_v the_o writer_n and_o abuse_v the_o reader_n 362._o reader_n pag._n 362._o now_o cite_v not_o only_o 9_o but_o 9_o score_n father_n if_o you_o will_v for_o tradition_n &_o the_o more_o you_o stir_v the_o worse_a you_o spcede_v 300._o spcede_v pag._n 300._o truth_n he_o mean_v the_o scripture_n be_v authority_n sufficient_a against_o all_o the_o world_n 301._o world_n pag._n 301._o one_o man_n with_o truth_n be_v warrant_n against_o all_o the_o world_n yea_o every_o private_a man_n 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himself_o who_o press_v hardly_o against_o we_o that_o which_o he_o deny_v to_o the_o papist_n be_v god_n a_o accepter_n of_o person_n be_v it_o ill_a for_o papist_n to_o plead_v universal_a consent_n and_o yet_o must_v we_o content_v ourselves_o with_o it_o &_o rest_n thereon_o shall_v he_o say_v to_o we_o 223.235_o we_o perp._n gov_n pag._n 223.235_o be_v not_o the_o whole_a church_n a_o lawful_a and_o sufficient_a witness_n in_o that_o case_n and_o that_o it_o be_v enough_o 228._o enough_o pag._n 228._o if_o any_o christian_n person_n deserve_v to_o be_v credit_v and_o yet_o shall_v he_o say_v to_o papist_n 38â—_n papist_n lib._n 4_o 38â—_n it_o be_v alike_o haereticall_a to_o believe_v without_o scripture_n aâ—_n to_o believe_v against_o scripture_n yea_o even_o to_o ourselves_o when_o he_o listen_v he_o can_v say_v 286._o say_v perp._n gov_n pag._n 286._o make_v we_o good_a proof_n out_o of_o scripture_n or_o leave_v tie_v god_n ordinance_n to_o your_o appetite_n wherefore_o we_o 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be_v his_o error_n as_o where_o he_o say_v 118._o say_v august_n epist_n 118._o si_fw-la quid_fw-la tota_fw-la hodiè_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la frequentat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la hoc_fw-la quin_fw-la ita_fw-la faciendum_fw-la sit_fw-la disputare_fw-la insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la est_fw-la if_o the_o whole_a church_n through_o out_o the_o world_n at_o this_o day_n observe_v any_o thing_n it_o be_v insolent_a madness_n to_o reason_n against_o it_o certain_o there_o have_v be_v and_o may_v be_v be_v be_v as_o sometime_o polygamy_n be_v catholic_a error_n which_o yet_o questionless_a may_v be_v yea_o ought_v to_o be_v reprove_v by_o all_o they_o that_o understand_v they_o well_o but_o have_v our_o adversary_n a_o universal_a consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n at_o any_o time_n alas_o they_o be_v far_o from_o it_o neither_o d._n bilson_n nor_o d._n downame_n nor_o they_o all_o have_v allege_v neither_o can_v they_o allege_v half_o a_o quarter_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n at_o any_o time_n what_o then_o then_o they_o be_v to_o lavish_a of_o their_o word_n in_o save_v they_o have_v the_o universal_a consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n they_o indeed_o come_v short_a of_o it_o by_o many_o hundred_o thousand_o a_o poor_a few_o god_n know_v they_o cite_v in_o comparison_n of_o all_o it_o may_v be_v they_o name_v some_o of_o the_o chief_a &_o most_o famous_a in_o their_o day_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o all_o who_o live_v then_o be_v of_o their_o mind_n 402._o d._n bilson_n against_o the_o seminar_n lib._n 1._o part_n 2._o pag._n 402._o neither_o be_v it_o necessary_a that_o all_o difference_n shall_v be_v record_v in_o writing_n nor_o that_o all_o record_n shall_v be_v preserve_v &_o come_v to_o our_o hand_n so_o that_o they_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v a_o universal_a consent_n at_o any_o time_n much_o less_o at_o all_o time_n of_o the_o church_n but_o what_o speak_v i_o of_o universality_n and_o perpetuity_n let_v our_o adversary_n not_o equivocat_n let_v they_o deal_v plain_o let_v they_o use_v no_o deceit_n in_o word_n nor_o force_n to_o man_n conscience_n and_o then_o i_o assure_v thou_o good_a reader_n nothing_o but_o novelty_n and_o iniquity_n be_v in_o their_o defence_n and_o assertion_n against_o us._n i_o have_v show_v before_o that_o in_o our_o controversy_n which_o we_o have_v at_o this_o day_n â—â—_o day_n above_o pa._n 98.97_o â—â—_o we_o speak_v against_o only_o a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n and_o the_o bishop_n thereof_o where_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n be_v whole_o deny_v they_o as_o it_o be_v in_o england_n and_o our_o adversary_n defend_v namely_o this_o diocesan_n church_n and_o bishop_n of_o this_o particular_o and_o precise_o be_v all_o their_o 1_o their_o def._n 2.114_o epist_n to_o the_o king_n pag._n 1_o great_a and_o glorious_a commendation_n and_o praise_n which_o they_o publish_v now_o to_o the_o point_n be_v this_o kind_n of_o diocesan_n church_n and_o this_o kind_n of_o bishop_n apostolical_a have_v they_o universal_a &_o perpetual_a approbation_n for_o this_o nothing_o less_o i_o appeal_v herein_o to_o our_o right_a worthy_a attestator_n before_o allege_v yea_o to_o all_o indifferent_a and_o unpartial_a witness_n yea_o to_o the_o partial_a also_o in_o time_n of_o 66._o of_o pag._n 64._o 65._o 66._o antiquity_n who_o do_v stand_v with_o us._n by_o all_o true_a evidence_n it_o will_v be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o light_n at_o noon_n day_n that_o this_o foresay_a proper_a diocesan_n church_n and_o bishop_n be_v not_o in_o the_o world_n till_o after_o 200._o year_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v the_o time_n limit_v by_o we_o indeed_o not_o till_o after_o 300._o nay_o it_o be_v after_o 400_o and_o long_o also_o as_o i_o have_v show_v 88_o show_v pag._n 66._o 67._o 88_o before_o so_o that_o both_o d._n bilson_n and_o d._n downame_n defence_n which_o they_o have_v make_v for_o
the_o present_a church-state_n in_o england_n even_o in_o the_o substantial_a point_n of_o government_n therein_o be_v clean_o frustrate_v neither_o be_v the_o same_o apostolical_a neither_o have_v it_o universal_a nor_o perpetual_a nor_o indeed_o any_o old_a approbation_n among_o christian_n as_o they_o colourable_o pretend_v but_o it_o be_v prove_v to_o be_v novel_a novel_a a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n be_v novel_a and_o mere_o of_o the_o wit_n and_o will_v of_o man_n and_o that_o after_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n rise_v the_o contrary_a obiecton_n of_o our_o adversary_n i_o will_v here_o observe_v euseb_n d._n dove_n 3._o falsification_n of_o euseb_n as_o near_o as_o i_o can_v first_o that_o which_o d._n downame_n borrow_v of_o d._n dove_n viz._n that_o mark_v constitute_v a_o diocesan_n church_n in_o alexandria_n but_o this_o i_o have_v show_v 91._o show_v pag._n 90_o 91._o before_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a forgery_n of_o these_o two_o d._n d._n ground_v upon_o a_o false_a translation_n of_o their_o author_n eusebius_n and_o here_o i_o can_v not_o but_o remember_v a_o second_o and_o a_o three_o like_o falsify_v of_o eusebius_n by_o d._n dove_n in_o his_o defence_n the_o former_a of_o these_o be_v pag._n 13._o where_o he_o say_v eusebius_n word_n be_v these_o 3.4_o these_o euseb_n lib_n 3.4_o timothy_n be_v the_o first_o bishop_n of_o the_o whole_a precinct_n of_o ephesus_n in_o as_o ample_a manner_n as_o titus_n of_o all_o the_o church_n of_o crete_n eusebius_n say_v not_o that_o timothy_n be_v but_o he_o say_v it_o be_v report_v that_o timothy_n be_v the_o first_o bishop_n of_o ephesus_n as_o titus_n of_o the_o church_n of_o crete_n again_o eusebius_n say_v not_o of_o the_o whole_a precinct_n of_o ephesus_n nor_o in_o as_o ample_a manner_n there_o be_v no_o such_o word_n in_o eusebius_n author_n this_o be_v no_o translate_n but_o pervert_v a_o author_n thirly_n that_o which_o eusebius_n have_v indeed_o viz._n timothy_n be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v bishop_n of_o the_o parish_n in_o ephesus_n this_o he_o render_v not_o but_o pervert_v for_o in_o ephesus_n be_v not_o without_o the_o city_n much_o less_o the_o whole_a precinct_n of_o ephesus_n contain_v the_o large_a country_n adjoin_v yea_o that_o the_o church_n in_o ephesus_n be_v but_o a_o parish_n then_o ignatius_n show_v write_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o ephesus_n &_o say_v to_o they_o ephes._n they_o iâ—nat_n aâ—_n ephes._n when_o you_o come_v oft_o together_o into_o the_o same_o place_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o whole_a then_o do_v come_v together_o in_o one_o place_n and_o it_o be_v not_o only_o false_a but_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o the_o like_a may_v be_v speak_v now_o of_o the_o place_n the_o can_v they_o all_o come_v together_o in_o one_o place_n diocesan_n church_n of_o london_n thus_o therefore_o eusebius_n be_v pervert_v twice_o by_o d._n dove_n his_o 3._o falsify_v of_o he_o be_v where_o eusebius_n say_v of_o john_n the_o apostle_n in_o a_o certain_a city_n graec._n city_n euseb_n lib._n 3.23_o graec._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v refresh_v the_o brother_n and_o look_v on_o the_o bishop_n that_o be_v set_v over_o all_o the_o say_a brethren_n of_o that_o place_n he_o commit_v a_o young_a man_n to_o he_o but_o the_o d._n set_v it_o down_o thus_o john_n the_o apostle_n commit_v the_o charge_n of_o a_o young_a man_n to_o a_o bishop_n 18._o bishop_n pag._n 15._o 18._o qui_fw-la super_fw-la cunstâ—s_fw-la episcopos_fw-la erat_fw-la constitutuâ—_n which_o be_v set_v over_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o bishop_n thereabouts_o as_o if_o then_o there_o have_v be_v a_o archbishop_n or_o a_o bishop_n over_o bishop_n so_o say_v this_o doctor_n as_o out_o of_o eusebius_n but_o he_o abuse_v his_o author_n eusebius_n have_v not_o such_o a_o word_n and_o yet_o d._n downame_n also_o 4.112_o also_o def._n 4.112_o allege_v the_o same_o place_n though_o he_o cunning_o forbear_v to_o mention_v the_o word_n doct._n downame_n further_a press_v eusebius_n in_o that_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v report_v that_o titus_n be_v bishop_n of_o the_o church_n of_o crete_n 233._o as_o also_o perpet_n govern_v pag._n 233._o he_o translate_v it_o be_v record_v in_o history_n but_o he_o can_v not_o make_v that_o good_a in_o this_o place_n for_o the_o word_n signifi_v any_o relation_n or_o narration_n or_o report_v of_o a_o matter_n and_o eusebius_n use_v always_o to_o name_v his_o author_n &_o at_o full_a to_o set_v down_o the_o word_n when_o he_o ground_v upon_o any_o write_a history_n so_o he_o cit_v very_o often_o egesippus_fw-la clemens_n dionysius_n tertullian_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o questionless_a here_o he_o mean_v some_o other_o report_n or_o tradition_n and_o speech_n of_o man_n i_o know_v not_o who_o and_o in_o set_v down_o such_o matter_n he_o be_v nothing_o curious_a many_o time_n as_o 92._o as_o pag._n 91._o 92._o before_o i_o have_v signify_v not_o seldom_o he_o report_v fabulous_a thing_n yea_o when_o he_o name_v his_o author_n credit_n eusebius_n of_o no_o absolute_a credit_n as_o be_v well_o know_v and_o yet_o he_o be_v all_o the_o warrant_n and_o ground_n which_o any_o writer_n have_v either_o young_a or_o old_a for_o tius_n his_o be_v bishop_n of_o crete_n theodoret_n epiphanius_n chrysostomus_n jerome_n etc._n etc._n name_n dorotheus_n synop_n be_v not_o worth_a the_o name_n have_v all_o their_o inducement_n so_o to_o think_v from_o hence_o all_o these_o also_o themselves_o be_v great_a prelate_n or_o lover_n of_o prelate_n and_o therefore_o we_o may_v hold_v they_o partial_a in_o set_v down_o and_o receive_v such_o report_n what_o wisdom_n then_o be_v in_o do._n downame_n to_o say_v it_o be_v a_o uncharitable_a and_o unlearned_a part_n yea_o intolerable_a impudency_n to_o deny_v credit_n to_o such_o authority_n it_o be_v rather_o intolerable_a impiety_n and_o plain_a idolatry_n to_o set_v up_o these_o and_o such_o like_a for_o rule_n of_o our_o faith_n and_o warrant_n to_o our_o conscience_n as_o the_o d._n labour_v to_o do_v in_o this_o cause_n howbeit_o further_o eusebius_n say_v not_o that_o titus_n be_v say_v to_o be_v bishop_n of_o crete_n but_o only_o so_o as_o timothy_n be_v bishop_n of_o ephesus_n where_o he_o seem_v to_o mean_v that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v then_o think_v to_o be_v not_o proper_a bishop_n but_o in_o the_o general_a sense_n and_o understanding_n of_o the_o word_n bishop_n and_o so_o he_o seem_v to_o mean_v also_o that_o mark_n be_v say_v to_o be_v bish_n of_o alexandria_n who_o yet_o he_o name_v a_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n &_o james_n a_o apostle_n in_o deed_n bishop_n of_o jerusalem_n i_o say_v in_o a_o general_a sense_n but_o not_o bishop_n proper_o and_o so_o true_o the_o other_o father_n after_o eusebius_n do_v seem_v to_o mean_v and_o we_o accord_v thus_o with_o they_o otherwise_o we_o must_v needs_o deny_v credit_n to_o they_o herein_o viz._n if_o eusebius_n etc._n etc._n say_v these_o be_v proper_a bishop_n for_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o they_o can_v be_v so_o see_v they_o be_v both_o superior_a and_o also_o divine_o distinguish_v from_o proper_a bishop_n as_o anon_o we_o shall_v see_v further_o where_o further_a occasion_n will_v be_v give_v we_o to_o answer_v d._n downame_n about_o timothy_n &_o titus_n bishoprike_v again_o 116._o again_o def._n 2.23_o and_o 116._o d._n downame_n cit_v out_o of_o council_n carthage_n 3._o and_o ephes_n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o the_o beginning_n and_o even_o from_o the_o apostle_n as_o 324._o as_o perpet_n gov_fw-mi pag._n 324._o doct._n bilson_n before_o he_o avouch_v but_o both_o of_o they_o wrest_v the_o councille_n for_o they_o say_v not_o so_o only_o they_o say_v that_o diocese_n shall_v remain_v such_o as_o they_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o be_v ever_o since_o diocese_n be_v appoint_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n simple_o but_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o diocese_n which_o though_o it_o be_v long_o before_o these_o council_n yet_o as_o i_o judge_v it_o be_v not_o before_o 92.93_o before_o about_o the_o year_n 260._o see_v before_o pag._n 92.93_o dionysius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o touch_v the_o apostle_n the_o ephesin_n council_n speak_v of_o the_o apostle_n canon_n be_v strange_o deceive_v in_o attribute_v they_o to_o the_o apostle_n as_o any_o one_o may_v perceive_v if_o he_o see_v the_o can._n 4.5.8.17_o 18.27.47.49.65_o 68_o 84.25_o wherefore_o they_o be_v false_o father_v on_o the_o apostle_n be_v but_o base_a and_o bastardly_a stuff_n in_o respect_n of_o they_o and_o yet_o they_o intend_v no_o 98._o no_o see_v before_o pag._n 88_o 97._o 98._o proper_a diocesan_n church_n viz._n like_o we_o in_o england_n neither_o be_v these_o canon_n before_o constantine_n age_n so_o that_o our_o d._n d._n do_v argue_v from_o hence_o very_o unworthy_o but_o d._n
be_v not_o perpetual_a evangeliste_n be_v not_o perpetual_a also_o bishop_n yea_o presbyter_n be_v not_o perpetual_a in_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n but_o a_o congregation_n be_v perpetual_a absolute_o â—â—_o absolute_o math._n 16._o â—â—_o the_o gate_n of_o destruction_n shall_v never_o overcome_v it_o wherefore_o this_o power_n be_v essential_o in_o the_o congregation_n and_o so_o the_o consequence_n be_v false_a 77._o false_a pag._n 77._o these_o direction_n be_v perpetual_a therefore_o peculiar_a to_o bishop_n i_o say_v this_o sequel_n can_v not_o be_v true_a wherewith_o be_v conjoin_v a_o other_o false_a reason_n viz._n they_o be_v not_o common_a either_o to_o other_o christian_n or_o other_o minister_n therefore_o peculiar_a to_o bishop_n nay_o they_o be_v common_a they_o may_v be_v and_o be_v exercise_v by_o divers_a form_n of_o administration_n as_o before_o i_o show_v &_o not_o all_o way_n by_o bishop_n and_o yet_o i_o grant_v thy_o be_v to_o be_v exercise_v most_o common_o usual_o and_o ordinary_o by_o bishop_n i_o mean_v true_a bishop_n his_o own_o distinction_n here_o be_v good_a there_o be_v 147_o be_v pa._n 102._o 147_o potestas_fw-la and_o forma_fw-la vel_fw-la modus_fw-la potestatis_fw-la the_o power_n &_o the_o accidental_a form_n and_o manner_n of_o the_o power_n it_o be_v true_a the_o power_n be_v perpetual_a the_o accidental_a form_n or_o manner_n thereof_o be_v variable_a in_o which_o respect_n the_o consequence_n also_o of_o his_o new_a 77._o new_a pa._n 77._o proposition_n which_o 78._o which_o pag._n 78._o once_o again_o he_o take_v for_o grant_v once_o again_o i_o deny_v the_o proof_n of_o his_o assumption_n we_o grant_v yet_o with_o a_o distinction_n in_o the_o epistle_n to_o tim._n and_o tit._n the_o office_n of_o bishop_n be_v describe_v general_o but_o not_o as_o peculiar_a to_o bishop_n material_o not_o formal_o and_o only_o so_o that_o power_n be_v to_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n till_o the_o end_n also_o this_o viz._n material_o that_o power_n be_v not_o a_o high_a power_n then_o episcopal_a but_o formal_o it_o be_v and_o so_o his_o consequence_n be_v false_a for_o a_o evangelist_n power_n be_v high_o yea_o the_o church_n power_n by_o who_o simple_o sometime_o both_o the_o make_n of_o minister_n and_o censure_n be_v perform_v be_v 3.22_o be_v 1._o cor._n 3.22_o high_a than_o the_o bishop_n power_n again_o he_o say_v this_o power_n of_o bishop_n be_v so_o much_o of_o the_o apostolical_a power_n as_o be_v to_o continue_v to_o the_o end_n but_o then_o he_o shall_v not_o make_v the_o bishop_n power_n more_o than_o the_o apostolical_a as_o 248_o as_o see_v before_o pag._n 240._o 248_o he_o do_v which_o thus_o also_o appear_v viz._n the_o apostle_n exclude_v not_o the_o people_n consent_n but_o his_o bishop_n do_v how_o then_o say_v he_o it_o be_v apostolical_a beside_o in_o all_o this_o he_o equivocate_v for_o this_o power_n of_o bishop_n be_v the_o apostle_n as_o i_o say_v general_o not_o proper_o material_o not_o formal_o he_o will_v find_v 79._o find_v pag._n 79._o a_o difference_n in_o his_o refuter_fw-la but_o it_o be_v easy_o reconcile_v viz._n understand_v he_o of_o divers_a kind_n of_o bishop_n thus_o some_o kind_n of_o bishop_n be_v in_o christ_n testament_n some_o absolute_o have_v no_o place_n there_o the_o former_a have_v power_n from_o christ_n the_o late_a have_v none_o after_o he_o make_v great_a outcry_n of_o 81._o of_o pag._n 80._o 81._o schismatical_a novelty_n &_o dream_n &_o dotage_n fantastical_a &_o fanatical_a spirit_n and_o frenzy_n right_o as_o the_o papist_n cry_v out_o haeretik_n haeretik_n themselves_o be_v the_o great_a haeretik_n of_o all_o but_o the_o chritstian_a reader_n may_v know_v that_o this_o be_v the_o doctor_n fury_n &_o malice_n against_o our_o attestator_n before_o cite_v and_o against_o other_o also_o who_o follow_v they_o yea_o against_o etc._n against_o see_v before_o pag._n 73._o 74._o etc._n etc._n himself_o it_o be_v &_o some_o of_o his_o friend_n his_o slander_n that_o we_o maintain_v such_o popular_a government_n as_o morellius_n strive_v for_o be_v sufficient_o answer_v 24._o answer_v pag._n 24._o before_o some_o of_o the_o separation_n i_o grant_v be_v to_o offensive_a this_o way_n which_o i_o be_o hearty_o sorry_a for_o they_o take_v the_o word_n in_o math._n 18.17_o tell_v the_o church_n more_o popular_o they_o there_o be_v need_n or_o then_o reason_n or_o good_a order_n will_v howbeit_o in_o this_o yet_o they_o hold_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o true_a church-goverm_a they_o err_v but_o in_o the_o circumstance_n of_o order_n though_o it_o be_v to_o 18.17_o to_o bera_n anâ—â—_n cat_n in_o math._n 18.17_o foul_a that_o be_v they_o will_v examine_v all_o scandal_n etc._n etc._n whatsoever_o in_o the_o presence_n &_o under_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o whole_a multitude_n perpetual_o &_o necessary_o i_o say_v perpetual_o &_o necessary_o wherein_o i_o wonder_v they_o see_v not_o the_o many_o very_a ill_a consequent_n which_o will_n &_o must_v ensue_v many_o time_n as_o touch_v we_o what_o we_o hold_v herein_o i_o have_v show_v 83._o show_v pag._n 22._o 24._o 82._o 83._o before_o and_o our_o docts_n do_v most_o injurious_o 355._o injurious_o def._n 4.81_o perp._n gov_n pag._n 355._o wrong_v beza_n &_o the_o geneva_n discipline_n if_o that_o be_v geneva_n discipline_n which_o viret_n calvin_n &_o beza_n teach_v they_o in_o say_v they_o differ_v material_o from_o us._n our_o d._n ask_v be_v there_o any_o show_n in_o scripture_n or_o in_o reason_n that_o the_o sheep_n shall_v rule_v their_o shepherd_n or_o the_o flock_n their_o pastor_n the_o very_a voice_n of_o a_o jesuit_n &_o not_o of_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n bellarm._n argue_v just_a so_o 7._o so_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr clersc_n 1._o 7._o against_o the_o old_a procestants_n as_o to_o the_o point_n let_v he_o know_v that_o reasonable_a sheep_n under_o the_o gosp_n have_v more_o to_o do_v in_o their_o spiritual_a government_n they_o brute_n beast_n have_v to_o do_v in_o their_o government_n sensual_a last_o here_o he_o can_v easy_o scoff_v and_o revile_v the_o modest_a &_o christian_a offer_n of_o disputation_n &_o those_o that_o favour_n it_o &_o some_o of_o we_o he_o will_v help_v to_o persecute_v but_o undertake_v that_o offer_v honest_o &_o plain_o he_o never_o will_n he_o say_v 82._o say_v pag._n 82._o we_o understand_v the_o speech_n of_o 5.22_o of_o 1._o tim._n 5.22_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n as_o direct_v not_o to_o timothy_n but_o to_o the_o people_n &_o to_o titus_n 3.10_o titus_n tit._n 3.10_o avoid_v a_o haeretik_a or_o excommunicate_a he_o that_o be_v thou_o people_n which_o be_v false_a we_o understand_v it_o not_o so_o he_o do_v therefore_o herein_o slander_v us._n we_o know_v these_o word_n be_v direct_v to_o timothy_n &_o titus_n yet_o to_o they_o not_o as_o lord_n over_o the_o people_n nor_o as_o sole_a ruler_n but_o as_o guide_n and_o director_n of_o they_o as_o father_n to_o inform_v they_o not_o as_o master_n to_o over-rule_v they_o and_o force_v they_o to_o they_o therefore_o by_o name_n as_o the_o principal_a agent_n in_o all_o ordinary_a government_n the_o epistle_n and_o these_o precept_n be_v write_v and_o so_o the_o apostle_n here_o hold_v it_o not_o needful_a to_o mention_v the_o people_n though_o neither_o do_v he_o exclude_v they_o see_v their_o consent_n in_o such_o affair_n be_v chap._n be_v see_v before_o pag._n 76._o also_o towards_o the_o end_n of_o this_o chap._n elsewhere_o in_o scripture_n sufficient_o prove_v and_o the_o apostle_n practise_v in_o this_o behalf_n they_o know_v well_o enough_o which_o know_v practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n it_o here_o behove_v timothy_n &_o titus_n to_o have_v regard_n unto_o together_o with_o these_o precept_n write_v to_o they_o for_o they_o stand_v together_o well_o enough_o he_o say_v the_o church_n at_o first_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o apostle_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v they_o be_v but_o not_o without_o the_o people_n concurrence_n and_o consent_n as_o present_o before_o be_v observe_v but_o d._n downame_n avouch_v 8â—_n avouch_v def._n 4_o 8â—_n our_o bishop_n at_o this_o day_n have_v not_o great_a authoâ—â—tie_n in_o menage_v church_n cause_n than_o timothy_n and_o titus_n have_v which_o be_v notorious_o untrue_a these_o follow_v the_o apostle_n take_v the_o people_n consent_n with_o they_o our_o bishop_n do_v not_o they_o only_o teach_v they_o &_o persuade_v they_o &_o use_v spiritual_a power_n we_o if_o they_o can_v not_o persuade_v the_o people_n or_o their_o pastor_n will_v cast_v they_o in_o prison_n punish_v their_o body_n &_o their_o purse_n he_o say_v timothy_n &_o titus_n may_v use_v the_o presence_n or_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o counsel_n and_o advise_v of_o the_o presbyter_n in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o great_a moment_n as_o prince_n do_v in_o commonwealth_n i_o think_v it_o be_v a_o stately_a
the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la pa._n 109._o 209._o 210._o 211._o 308._o french_a liturgy_n with_o us._n pag._n 50._o genevian_n discipline_n with_o us._n pag._n 49._o gift_n no_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n pag._n 162._o gualther_n with_o us._n pag._n 37._o 38._o 39_o 40._o h._n the_o world_n hate_v our_o profession_n and_o why_o pa._n 17._o 18._o helvetian_a confession_n with_o us._n pag._n 49._o i._o james_n no_o proper_a bishop_n pag._n 238._o 239._o the_o jewish_a church_n government_n differ_v substantial_o from_o the_o christian_a pag._n 158._o 317._o the_o form_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n government_n be_v cease_v pag._n 184._o 185._o 279._o junius_n with_o us._n pag._n 43._o 44._o 45._o julianus_n of_o alexandria_n the_o first_o diocesan_n bishop_n and_o yet_o but_o a_o titular_a diocesan_n pag._n 92._o k._n christ_n kingdom_n commissive_a pag._n 145._o l._n lord_n and_o lordship_n unlawful_a for_o the_o ministry_n pag._n 118._o a_o spiritual_a lord_n who_o pag._n 118._o christ_n only_o ought_v to_o be_v a_o spiritual_a lord_n p._n 121._o luther_n with_o us._n pag._n 31._o 32._o etc._n etc._n and_o lutheran_n pag._n 51._o 52._o m._n p._n martyr_n with_o us._n pag._n 34._o 35._o 150._o 193._o the_o civil_a magistrate_n advance_v by_o our_o profession_n pag._n 18._o 20._o 115._o 137._o 313._o 315._o every_o metropolitan_a not_o a_o diocesan_n pa._n 254._o metropolitan_n in_o place_n not_o in_o office_n pag._n 231._o etc._n etc._n 235._o 213._o outward_a mean_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o namely_o christ_n pag._n 150._o 152._o 154._o 155._o 194_o 195._o 269._o they_o who_o make_v minister_n must_v have_v divine_a authority_n to_o do_v it_o pa._n 163._o 74._o 75._o 194._o 147._o musculus_fw-la for_o us._n pag._n 36._o n._n we_o desiâ—e_v thing_n necessary_a pag._n 18._o 19_o 193._o the_o grievous_a hurt_n by_o nonresident_n pag._n 129_o to_o mislike_v pluralist_n and_o nonresident_n be_v curious_a position_n with_o our_o adversary_n p._n 132._o p._n the_o palatine_a catechism_n with_o us._n pag._n 51._o who_o cause_n papist_n to_o increase_n in_o england_n pa._n 183._o 186._o papist_n more_o sound_v in_o the_o general_a opinion_n of_o the_o church_n than_o some_o protestants_n p._n 150._o 180_o a_o parish_n in_o our_o reason_n what_o it_o be_v pag._n 201._o 202._o 209._o a_o church_n no_o more_o but_o a_o parish_n pag._n 30._o 103._o 104._o 108._o 214._o see_v ecclesia_fw-la partial_a who_o be_v pagt_fw-ge 301._o in_o church_n government_n the_o people_n consent_n be_v apostolical_a pag._n 68_o 69._o evident_a scripture_n for_o the_o people_n consent_n in_o church_n censure_n pag._n 279._o 140._o 281._o 282._o likewise_o in_o make_v of_o minister_n pag._n 70._o 164_o 165._o 291._o etc._n etc._n power_n in_o the_o people_n administration_n in_o their_o guide_n pag._n 33._o 42._o 298._o 278._o 82._o 83._o what_o manner_n of_o people_n pag._n 17._o great_a good_a come_v to_o religion_n by_o grant_v the_o people_n consent_n in_o church_n government_n p._n 130_o the_o papacy_n not_o to_o be_v overthrow_v but_o by_o hold_v the_o people_n free_a consent_n p._n 18._o 156._o 157._o etc._n etc._n our_o main_a question_n be_v about_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n in_o church_n government_n pag._n 10._o 16._o the_o people_n necessary_a freedom_n power_n &_o right_a in_o church_n gov_fw-mi what_o and_o how_o much_o ordinary_o pag._n 18._o 22._o 48._o 61._o 73._o 82._o 83._o 278._o piscator_fw-la for_o us._n pag._n 46._o oâ—â—_n profession_n give_v good_a satisfaction_n chief_o to_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 19_o 20._o 191._o 313._o 315_o in_o reason_v we_o must_v always_o speak_v proper_o pag._n 240._o some_o protestant_n opinion_n hold_v changeablenes_n in_o the_o church_n form_n and_o government_n not_o without_o impiety_n pag._n 133._o 141._o r._n rebaptise_v refute_v pag._n 172._o reordayn_v lawful_a and_o fit_a pag._n 173._o to_o receive_v our_o ministry_n derivative_o and_o successive_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n a_o miserable_a answer_n pag._n 170._o 173._o s._n who_o be_v schismatik_n pag._n 138._o 176._o the_o separation_n how_o they_o err_v pag._n 249._o 280._o sole_a government_n pag._n 252._o succession_n a_o popish_a reason_n pag._n 238._o the_o archb._n with_o we_o spiritual_o sapreme_a pa._n 119._o synod_n some_o lawful_a apostolic_a &_o necessary_a 116._o 117._o 179._o some_z not_o apostolic_a nor_o lewfull_a p._n 31._o 48._o 100_o etc._n etc._n 111._o etc._n etc._n 117._o 178._o a_o synod_n absolute_a induce_v a_o pope_n p._n 105._o 110._o 111._o etc._n etc._n 179._o t._n tertullian_n prove_v not_o a_o diocesan_n church_n or_o bishop_n pag._n 233._o tilenus_n for_o us._n pag._n 43._o 164._o 166._o timothy_n and_o titus_n no_o proper_a bishop_n pag._n 241._o 264._o toleration_n of_o we_o not_o unmeet_a e._n pag._n 137._o 193._o 194._o 195._o 318._o v._o viret_n for_o us._n pa._n 28._o 29._o no_o unity_n by_o diocesan_n or_o provincial_n church_n and_o bishop_n pag._n 174._o 176._o 188._o god_n write_v word_n the_o true_a cause_n of_o unity_n pa._n 175._o 176._o after_o god_n word_n the_o magistrate_n help_v be_v the_o chief_a cause_n of_o unity_n pag._n 177._o 315._o the_o hurtful_a error_n of_o some_o protest_v ant_n grant_v one_o universal_a visible_a church_n under_o the_o gospel_n pag._n 112._o 181._o 182._o 189._o 190._o a_o universal_a church_n visible_a induce_v a_o pope_n pag._n 112._o etc._n etc._n 181_o etc._n etc._n 187._o 189._o to_o deny_v the_o people_n consent_n in_o church_n government_n to_o be_v a_o divine_a ordinance_n bring_v in_o a_o universal_a church_n visible_a pag._n 157._o 180._o 189._o and_o by_o a_o likely_a consequence_n will_v set_v the_o pope_n above_o the_o king_n pag._n 191._o 192._o universality_n a_o popish_a reason_n pag._n 221._o 222._o 223._o some_o universal_a error_n pag._n 233._o w._n d._n whitaker_n for_o us._n pag._n 47._o 106._o 107._o z._n zuinglius_fw-la for_o us._n pag._n 29._o 30._o 214._o 215._o 216._o
be_v true_a another_o ground_n thereof_o there_o be_v likewise_o &_o that_o of_o no_o less_o importance_n in_o this_o matter_n which_o be_v that_o christ_n true_a visible_a and_o ministerial_a church_n under_o the_o gospel_n consist_v not_o of_o many_o ordinary_a congregation_n but_o only_o of_o one_o which_o i_o have_v at_o large_a prove_v to_o be_v a_o truth_n and_o have_v make_v it_o manifest_v in_o my_o declaration_n pag._n 10.11.12_o etc._n etc._n and_o in_o reas._n for_o reform_v pag._n 19.20_o &_o 65.66_o and_o again_o 8._o again_o chapt._n 8._o here_o after_o i_o do_v show_v it_o further_o yet_o the_o former_a point_n in_o some_o respect_n may_v be_v think_v rather_o the_o chief_a because_o this_o second_o be_v a_o dependent_a on_o the_o former_a &_o follow_v by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n from_o it_o as_o partly_o be_v show_v in_o the_o say_v declarat_fw-la pag._n 13.14_o and_o more_o full_o in_o the_o vii_o chapt._n of_o this_o present_a treatise_n ensue_a again_o that_o require_v the_o people_n free_a consent_n note_v christ_n visible_a church_n nature_n and_o essence_n intensiuè_fw-fr intensiuè_fw-la the_o church_n nature_n intensiuè_fw-la as_o the_o school_n do_v speak_v that_o be_v it_o show_v thâ—_n ground_n of_o the_o power_n and_o life_n thereof_o the_o other_o show_v the_o essence_n of_o it_o extensiuè_fw-la extensiuè_n extensiuè_n that_o be_v the_o largeness_n of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n &_o just_a extent_n or_o the_o due_a limit_n and_o bound_n thereof_o outward_o wherefore_o that_o require_v the_o people_n free_a consent_n be_v manifest_o a_o most_o proper_a and_o special_a argument_n in_o our_o cause_n and_o such_o as_o touch_v the_o quick_a in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o say_a reformation_n most_o near_o d._n downame_n err_v great_o in_o his_o late_a defence_n make_v his_o first_o book_n thereof_o full_a long_a &_o tedious_a only_o to_o disprove_v lay_v elder_n as_o he_o call_v they_o think_v without_o all_o reason_n that_o if_o he_o speed_v well_o therein_o he_o have_v get_v the_o victory_n whereupon_o he_o most_o fond_o infer_v thus_o 62._o thus_o defenc._n 1._o pag._n 62._o who_o see_v not_o that_o the_o disproof_n of_o their_o presbytery_n be_v a_o direct_a proof_n for_o our_o bishop_n and_o in_o another_o place_n 2.2_o place_n defenc._n 2.2_o who_o see_v not_o that_o upon_o the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o presbytery_n the_o government_n by_o bishop_n be_v necessary_o infer_v who_o see_v not_o very_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o man_n live_v see_v it_o he_o be_v tell_v sufficient_o by_o his_o refuter_fw-la 10._o refuter_fw-la ibid._n pa._n 10._o of_o this_o his_o vain_a and_o frivolous_a inference_n but_o he_o seem_v so_o in_o love_n with_o his_o own_o folly_n that_o he_o can_v endure_v no_o man_n to_o show_v he_o his_o error_n nay_o such_o a_o mind_n he_o bear_v that_o in_o his_o defence_n he_o go_v about_o with_o pretend_a logic_n to_o make_v this_o his_o idle_a conceit_n seem_v reason_n and_o thereupon_o he_o say_v his_o adversary_n must_v 1.6_o must_v defen_n 1.6_o confess_v himself_o ignorant_a in_o logic_n if_o he_o will_v deny_v this_o his_o inference_n and_o so_o 62._o so_o pag._n 62._o this_o passage_n concern_v lay_v elder_n he_o hope_v will_v be_v acknowledge_v not_o to_o be_v impertinent_a never_o a_o whit_n true_o impertinent_a the_o question_n of_o elder_n whole_o impertinent_a for_o this_o passage_n still_o be_v not_o only_o impertinent_a and_o idle_a but_o even_o a_o false_a defence_n of_o those_o who_o he_o pead_v for_o if_o he_o will_v yet_o hold_v his_o opinion_n still_o he_o have_v not_o logic_n at_o command_n neither_o can_v he_o by_o his_o sophistry_n among_o man_n of_o any_o understand_v make_v that_o to_o seem_v which_o be_v not_o where_o he_o say_v it_o be_v 61._o be_v pag._n 61._o presuppose_v on_o both_o side_n it_o be_v his_o folly_n to_o say_v so_o and_o in_o say_v his_o refuter_fw-la witness_v it_o he_o gross_o abuse_v he_o he_o do_v the_o contrary_a in_o 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