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A32848 The Petition of the most substantiall inhabitants of the citty of London, and the liberties thereof, to the Lords and Commons for peace together with the answer to the same, and the replye of the petitioners. Chillingworth, William, 1602-1644. Reply of the London petitioners to the late answer to their petition for peace.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1642 (1642) Wing C3881; ESTC R383 15,057 24

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most considering part even of the people having long time in vaine expected proofes are now growne more stayd in their beleef then to be led away by a bare confidence and boldnesse of defaming Wee and the Kings party are so diametrically opposite in Religion and State that He cannot protect both The same justice may governe both if you will returne from whence you are swerved and submit to the common rule of Law which ought to be the measure of our actions We most earnestly beseech you that we may not perish while we are detained in generalls you would be pleased to tell us what Religion you would have If the publike forme of worship established already and sealed with the bloud of many Martyrs herein can be no ground of difference they professe and practise it and will become suitors to you that you will severely punish all persons whatsoever that transgresse against it If you meane some other Religion as you doe if there be any reall disagreement amongst us let us know what it is perhaps the Kingdome will renounce their old faith and like your Creed better However let not the people be blindly ingaged to fight against their King in defence of their owne and His Religion and to maintaine that which He and they approve off and only you dissent from If they are His friends we are His enemies if we are His friends they are questionlesse His enemies It becomes not us to decide who are His friends who His enemies nor to publish our thoughts which may perhaps be guided by that common notion to fight for or against to endeavour to preserve or destroy Friendship and enmity here are not to be taken for affections but for a civill vertue orvice and to be understood in a law notion They only are to be esteemed His friends who are obedient to Lawes transgressors His enemies So that a King is enemy to none as not punishing out of hatred but justice That some men have found more favour then others we may guesse at the cause of your discontents by this frequent complaint can be no just ground to disturbe a State The Kingdome will never be free from Rebellion if Subjects may be allowed to give law to the Princes courtesies Either they must judge us or we them no middle way can be safe The tryall of this Land is well known which is per judicium parium by verdict of Pears it being a way of proceeding equally indifferent to all where none have cause to feare wrested explications or obscure consequences verdicts being brought in in capitall causes according to evident and knowne law We make no question all uninterested persons will quickly be satisfied in the present difference in case of Treason which can be the only sub●ect of this debate and yet this seemes to be the maine ground of distance For certainly our Lawes have provided for the tryall of it and the House of Commons never heretofore challenging a power of judicature and the Lords not using to censure any in this nature under the degree of Baron therefore it undeniably appeares they are to be referred to the ordinary tryall of the Kings Bench They will not lay downe Armes before us nor ought wee before them Cleare satisfaction hath beene offered you by His Majesty in this point that the Armes should be returned to those hands in which they are by law intrusted The King is invested with the sole power of trayning arraying and mustering it being most consonant to reason as well as grounded on law that he which is bound to Protect should be enabled to compasse that end Little safety will be to us for our Religion and our profession will bind us truly to performe but theirs will bind them to betray us Of all men living we should least have expected you should make advantage of this argument the breach of Faith in your Souldiers being most infamously notorious Witnesse Farneham Castle where after hands shaken with two of your Captaines and time given upon the reputation of Gentlemen and Souldiers to draw up Propositions of surrender the Commanders being retired and the Souldiers forbid to shoot you brooke in upon them against the lawes of Truce tooke them all Prisoners and plundred them not affording any benefit of the former agreement witnesse Winchester where after composition set downe in writing you against it rob'd them stript them and kill'd many in coole bloud insomuch that some of your Commanders more sensible of honour openly exclaimed against your barbarous cruelty scarce to be paralell'd amongst the storyes of Germany witnesse Yorkeshire where after the Gentry had very prudently setled a peace and security in that County by mutuall covenant not to injure each other the Lord Fairefax is bitterly reproved for breaking your Priviledges by presuming to agree to the happinesse of His Country when the House or rather the Committee had resolved to ingage the whole Kingdome in misery and he is accordingly commanded not to regard his promise The truth is and you have declared it to the world in print that you might perswade him not to be honest you tell him plainly he was not wise and therefore injoyne him not to stand to that Covenant which was made with so much disadvantage witnesse Mr Marshall and Dr Downing The King in extraordinary mercy pardoned and dismissed 300 prisoners though guilty of high Treason and taken in actuall hostility against him onely taking security at least as he then thought it was having not yet learnt that the Religion of that party is not capable of laying any obligation against Interest for their future innocency by oath they swearing never after to beare Armes against His Majesty These being returned are satisfied in conscience they swore unlawfully as binding themselves not to advance the good cause and for this consideration as also it being taken in their owne defence their lives being endangered upon refusall so that being now safe they were againe free they are formally absolv'd from their Oath by these two City Popes and preached into new and perjurd Rebells Good God that these men in so short time should be guilty of so many publique violations of Faith one of which even amongst the ancient Heathen would have stained an age and yet that all the people are not yet undeceived It cannot be but all such as have any sense of true piety will upon full information detest these foule proceedings and abhorre that Religion which is made but an Art to dispense with honesty Certainly you cannot believe that you Religion binds you truly to performe men of such perswasions could not so grossely equivocate themselves into disloyalty and raise an Army to desttroy their King in His own defence If you preferre their cause and being before ours speake it out more plain●y We most humbly thank you and shall if necessity require it make use of this freedom The rule by which our liking will be guided is this we shall