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reverence_n to_o be_v speak_v of_o and_o with_o great_a signification_n of_o duty_n chap._n 2._o the_o third_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 67._o sect._n 4._o and_o whereas_o clement_n make_v s._n peter_n the_o apostle_n to_o make_v it_o as_o it_o be_v his_o adopt_a son_n thereby_o to_o wipe_v away_o the_o shame_n of_o his_o birth_n it_o do_v s._n peter_n shameful_a injury_n for_o beside_o that_o it_o be_v far_o from_o s._n peter_n to_o take_v this_o authority_n to_o himself_o not_o only_o of_o make_v archbishop_n throughout_o every_o province_n but_o also_o institute_v a_o new_a order_n or_o of_o fice_z without_o the_o counsel_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o none_o else_o of_o the_o apostle_n do_v and_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o practice_n of_o s._n peter_n both_o in_o the_o first_o and_o sixth_o of_o the_o act_n contrary_a also_o to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o after_o shall_v appear_v i_o say_v besides_o this_o be_v it_o like_o that_o s._n 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