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A14048 The rescuynge of the romishe fox other vvyse called the examination of the hunter deuised by steuen gardiner The seconde course of the hunter at the romishe fox & hys aduocate, & sworne patrone steuen gardiner doctor & defender of the popis canonlaw and hys ungodly ceremonies. Rede in the last lefe the xij articles of Bisshop Steuens neuu popish credo. Turner, William, d. 1568.; Gardiner, Stephen, 1483?-1555. 1545 (1545) STC 24355; ESTC S118747 102,679 202

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to be sure to asscribe and lay no thyng vn to hym but it that we know for a truthe is goodnes or good proue once that the popis ceremonies and traditiones ar good and then shall i say that they cam from god but where is your profecye haue from the begynnyng of your book x. tymes sayd the ceremonies and ordinances that i haue writen agaynst ar good good and good but other profe haue ye brought none thynke ye that it whiche is a falslye of it self shal by oft repetyng of it wax true Is it possible to make of an euel thyng a good thyng by callynge if many tymes good Is the oft and manyfold rehersyng of any thynge a sufficient profe of the same other profe brynge ye non allearned diuine shuld haue brought places of scripture to haue proued that the traditiones whiche ye so oft call good had bene good as i haue brought argumentes and textes of the scripture to proue that they ar nought and contrary to the scripture But here i must pardon yow for in dede the matters that ye defende ar so folishe triflyng and so cōtrari to the scripture that it is no meruel if ye can bryng no place of scripture for them to defende them with And where as ye say that there hathe bene noman so mad as expellynge a tyran wold cast away with hym bothe that which was good and the bad also whether ye meane of good profitable or good pleasant or by creation ye swarue far from the truthe for allmyghty god the well of all wisdome commāded the childer of Israel when they shuld dryue out the he then kynges withe theyr folk of the land of promis to dryue and put away with thē all theyr lawes ceremonies and traditiones euen thē that were laufull were they neuer so profitable or pleasant for the comon welth It is tobe thought that in so many citees kyngdomes that there was sum good politike lawes and sum profitable and pleasant for a comon welthe But for all that were they neuer so good so politike and profitable god gaue the thys commandement vnto the childer of Israel concernyng them sayng Leuitice the xviij chapter After the custom of the land of egypt where in y● haue dwelt shal ye not do and after the maner of the land of chanaan wher in to i shal bryng yow shall ye not do nether shal ye walk in theyr laufulles ye shall do my iudgementes and kepe my preceptes and walk in them And in the xx chapter Walk not sayethe allmyghty god in the laufulles of the nationes which i shall dryue out before yow Moses goddis true seruant sayethe also deuteronom ij the xij chapter when thow art entred in after theyr destruction require not theyr ceremonies sayng as thys folk hath worshippet theyr goddes so wil i worship also Thow shalt not do lykewise vnto thy lorde god That whiche i commande the do thow only vnto the lorde put nothyng to it nether take any thyng from it If the pope your father and yow had dwelt in the citie of Hierico or hay or any other suche lyke whiche moses Iosuc or Dauid destroyed and had there all your holy traditiones laudable ceremonies good and polytike lawes promoters and setters furthe of goddis honore with your decrees decretalles councelles and clementines shuld Moses Iosue and Dauid haue ben mad men to haue destroyed all your good and polytike lawes all your laudable ceremonies Make me an answer vnto thys question If they shuld haue bene mad then men ar mad for doyng of goddis cōmandment If they shuld not haue bene mad if they had destroyed all your fathers ceremonies and traditiones whiche were not expressed in Moses law ād had cōmanded the peple to kepe and vse only suche ceremonies and preceptes as were cōteyned in the writen worde of god a prince whiche wold dryue out of hys realme at thys howre the pope whiche is agreuous tyran and an enemi vnto goddis worde if he droue out withe hym all hys ceremonies lawes and traditiones sauyng only them that ar expressed in the worde of god he shuld be no more mad thē Moses Iosue and Dauid was whiche in theyr tyme dyd suche lyke The xv chapt of the first booke of the kynges is playn agaynst yow where as god cōmandethe Saul to kyll man womā nuris ād childe ox shepe camel and as if that all thyng be good that god hathe created the oxen shepe the camelles the asses ād yong childer was good ād yit god cōmanded thē not ōly to be expelled withe the tyran agag but also to be destroyed and kylled withe hyme thē mē may se how wysely ye haue spokē whē ye sayde that noman was so mad as eypellyng a tyrā wold dryue a way withe hym bothe it that was good and also the bad The dede of kyng Saul in the forsayd chapter Was miche agreable to your dede in puttyng doun the pope and hys popistri As god commanded Saul to destroy agag and with hym to destroy all hys both man woman and child ox as camel and shepe yit he lyke a polytike felow kylled not agag but kept hym quike and saued the best of the shepe and other cattal and the best clothes all thyng that was fayer and goodly to loke to so when ye were commanded of the kyng our master to dryue away the pope withe all hys popistri ye put down a very small sorte of smal abusis but the pope hymself with the great abuses ye hold still and say that they set furthe goddis honor as Saul sayd that he kept the best of the shepe and cattale to make sacrifices of to allmygcy god But as allmyghty god perceyuing that Saul for couettousnes saued contrari vnto hys commandment agag and the best of the shepe and other bestis thoghe he cloked hys fact with the cloke of goddis seruice deposed Saule and for euer kest hym out of hys fauor so shuld our moste noble Prince kyng Henry folow god and do very well to depose yow and make yow a bisshop quondam for breakyng of hys commādment in holdyng still the pope and the greatest abominaciones that euer he ordened The rescuer Wherefore seynge in all hys ye hold still he bringethe no other disprofe but only from the personage that hathe vsed thē i pas them ouer as of no force and cum to hys cokkyng vpon the clergie when he sayethe What saye ye gentle men of the clergie concernynge the lawes of the chirche I say here your mastership playeth bothe the partes and as he sayd at gamyng ye wold win the game if ye played alone And yit haue ye spent a great meny wordes in vayn ye put no difference betwene dedes lawes and ordinances and because it were in dede a great foly for any man by proclamation to cause an other mannis dedes to be called hys as ye put your example ryght lewedly in sardanapalus so by yow