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A88107 The nevv quere, and determination upon it, by Mr. Saltmarsh lately published, to retard the establishment of the Presbyteriall government, examined, and shewed to be unseasonable, unsound, and opposite to the principles of true religion, and state. Whereunto is annexed a censure of what he hath produced to the same purpose, in his other, and later booke, which he calleth The opening of Master Prinnes Vindication. And an apologeticall narrative of the late petition of the Common Councell and ministers of London to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, with a justification of them from the calumny of the weekly pamphleters. / By John Ley, one of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1645 (1645) Wing L1885; Thomason E311_24; ESTC R200462 96,520 124

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according_a to_o the_o distinction_n of_o the_o part_n before_o propose_v and_o it_o be_v not_o so_o strange_a and_o unusual_a as_o some_o pretend_v for_o legislative_a authority_n to_o borrow_v a_o religious_a reputation_n for_o what_o they_o enact_v or_o ordain_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o we_o find_v instance_n thereof_o in_o the_o statute_n 826._o statute_n concern_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n the_o word_n of_o institution_n be_v set_v down_o and_o 15._o place_n of_o scripture_n quote_v in_o the_o marginewith_n letter_n of_o reference_n in_o the_o text._n poult_n abridgm_n p._n 826._o of_o the_o first_o year_n of_o edward_n the_o six_o c._n 1._o 1005._o 1._o the_o statute_n of_o the_o first_o of_o q._n merry_n c._n 2._o repeal_v as_o cause_v a_o decay_n of_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n and_o the_o discomsort_n of_o the_o professor_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o christ_n religion_n ibid._n p._n 1005._o in_o the_o first_o of_o eliza._n c._n 2._o 1403._o 2._o for_o as_o much_o as_o profane_v swear_v and_o curse_v be_v forbid_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n ibid._n p._n 1403._o in_o the_o 21._o of_o k._n james_n c._n 20._o 1427._o 20._o nothing_o more_o acceptable_a to_o god_n than_o the_o true_a and_o sincere_a service_n and_o worship_n of_o he_o according_a to_o his_o holy_a will_n and_o that_o the_o holy_a keep_n of_o the_o lord_n day_n be_v 2_o principal_a part_n of_o the_o true_a service_n of_o god_n ibid._n p._n 1427._o in_o the_o first_o of_o k._n charles_n c._n 1._o &_o 1434._o &_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o lord_n day_n common_o call_v sunday_n be_v much_o break_v and_o profane_v by_o carrier_n &c._n &c._n to_o the_o great_a dishonour_n of_o god_n reproach_n of_o religion_n etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 1434._o in_o the_o three_o of_o k._n james_n c._n 1._o last_o the_o present_a parliament_n have_v do_v the_o like_a already_o for_o some_o part_n of_o the_o reformation_n authorize_v as_o for_o the_o ordination_n of_o minister_n which_o be_v a_o chief_a part_n of_o the_o presbyterial_a authority_n of_o which_o they_o say_v 2._o say_v so_o in_o the_o ordinance_n for_o ordination_n order_v to_o be_v print_v october_n 2._o 1644._o p._n 2._o whereas_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n that_o no_o man_n ought_v to_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o office_n of_o a_o minister_n until_o he_o be_v lawful_o call_v and_o ordain_v thereunto_o and_o that_o the_o work_n of_o ordination_n that_o be_v to_o say_v a_o outward_a solemn_a set_v apart_o of_o person_n for_o the_o office_n of_o the_o ministry_n in_o the_o church_n by_o preach_a presbyter_n be_v a_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n and_o be_v to_o be_v perform_v with_o all_o due_a care_n wisdom_n gravity_n and_o solemnity_n it_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o lord_n and_o commons_o etc._n etc._n and_o in_o their_o ordinance_n for_o the_o directory_n jan._n 3._o 1644._o they_o begin_v with_o these_o word_n the_o lord_n and_o commons_o assemble_v in_o parliament_n take_v into_o serious_a consideration_n the_o manifold_a incenvenience_n that_o have_v rise_v by_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n in_o this_o kingdom_n and_o resolve_v according_a to_o their_o covenant_n to_o reform_v religion_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o example_n of_o the_o best_a reform_a church_n have_v consult_v with_o the_o reverend_n pious_a and_o learned_a divine_n call_v together_o to_o that_o purpose_n and_o do_v judge_v it_o necessary_a that_o the_o say_a book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v abolish_v and_o the_o directory_n for_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n herein_o after_o mention_v be_v establish_v and_o observe_v in_o all_o the_o church_n within_o this_o kingdom_n etc._n etc._n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o ordination_n and_o worship_n be_v usual_o distinguish_v from_o power_n and_o government_n and_o that_o both_o of_o they_o have_v more_o express_a warrant_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n then_o can_v be_v find_v in_o scripture_n for_o the_o 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