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a_o whole_a city_n or_o that_o one_o member_n be_v the_o whole_a body_n 3._o the_o primitive_a christian_n do_v not_o take_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o the_o only_a catholic_n church_n 4._o god_n have_v no_o where_o in_o scripture_n declare_v so_o much_o 5._o to_o say_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o only_a catholic_n church_n be_v a_o most_o uncharitable_a doctrine_n and_o to_o damn_v the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o christian_a world_n 6._o all_o church_n that_o do_v hold_v the_o ancient_a faith_n contain_v in_o the_o three_o creed_n be_v member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n 7._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v the_o only_a catholic_n church_n that_o her_o strange_a doctrine_n make_v she_o at_o the_o best_a but_o a_o very_a unsound_a member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n i_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o mistress_n of_o all_o other_o church_n in_o the_o world_n 1._o because_o there_o be_v no_o such_o 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