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A75872	An answer to a book, titled, Quakers principles quaking: subscribed by the name of one Ralph Hale, with an epistle (so called) to the reader, subscribed with the name of one Zachariah Crofton. A principle of darkness, deceit, and confusion in Ralph Hale, and his fellow labourer in Sathans work Zachariah Crofton, is discovered by the Quakers principle, and the Quakers principle doth stand against the power of darkness, and all the false principles in the world, them to discover and lay open. The book was said to be modestly propounded by Ralph Hale, but in it I found so many lies, slanders, and false accusations, with confused, vain, and frivolous words, as many of them is not worth mentioning; yet, lest the author should boast in his mischief, I shall lay down somthing in answer to some few of them, in respect of the number of them. / A servant to the least in the houshold of faith, and the lest amonst his brethren, whose name in the flesh is William Adamson.	Addamson, William, 17th cent.	1656 (1656)	Wing A501; Thomason E897_3; ESTC R206690	24,865	37

An Answer to a Book Titled Quakers Principles Quaking Subscribed by the name of one Ralph Hale with an Epistle so called to the Reader subsc●ibed with the name of one Zachariah Crofton A principle of darkness deceit and confusion in Ralph Hale and his Fellow labourer in Sathans work Zachariah Crofton is discovered by the Quakers principle and the Quakers principle doth stand against the power of darkness and all the false principles in the world them to discover and lay open The Book was said to be modestly propounded by Ralph Hale but in it I found so many lies standers and false accusations with confused vain and frivolous words as many of them is not worth mentioning yet lest the Author should boast in his mischief I shall lay down somthing in Answer to some few of them in respect of the number of them Psalm 9.15 The Heathens are sunk down into the pit that they made in the Net which they hid is their own foot taken A servant to the least in the Houshold of Faith and the least amongst his Brethren whose name in the flesh is William Adamsor LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert and are to be sold at his Shop at the Black Spread-E●gle near the West end of Pauls 1656. Somthing in Answer to Zachariah Crofton and his Epistle as he calls it ZAchariah Crofton How far art thou from the example of Christ who when he was reviled he reviled not again but thou hast here reviled them that never reviled thee and thine eyes did never see many of those call●d Quakers whom thou hast reviled and called them Revilers Is that the work of a plain man that possesseth an honest heart which thou hast reported thy self to be one of in thy Epistle as thou callest it but it is both the wisdom and praises of a plain man possessing an honest heart to let another man praise him and not his praises come from his own mouth as thine doth Priest And first thou saith to the Reader if he had been in any measure sensible of the Worlds Age and time of the Church in which we have our being and seriously observant of the Dispensations of Providence sutable to the seasons he could not but have seen Gods severity and Sathans subtilty as much as in any Age of the World Ans Zachariah Crofton In this which thou calls thy Epistle thou hast manifested thy self that thou hast not thy being in the Church which is in God but of the Synagogue of Sathan and without God in the world thou manifest thy self to have thy being in that thou vents forth thy venome and spues out thy poison in thy words proceeding from the smoak of the bottomless pit and if the Reader do seriously observe thy Epistle as thou calls i● he may see a bitter inveterate sp●rit of rage and malice lodged in thee and as much of Sathans r●ge as possibly can be uttered in so much paper like that wicked Tertullus who said the Apostle was a pestilent fellow when indeed it was his own condition and so it is here with thee for what thou seems to cast upon us it is due to thy self and if I should say no more in answer to thy Epistle but this that what thou would cast upon us it is thy own portion yet the answer were just and undeniable to all who have the eye of discerning open in any measure Priest And then thou goes on with an accusation but hast not laid down at whom thy sting is shot for some space and then thou begins to push with thy horns like a cursed Goat at the Lambs of Christ who in disdain are called Quakers and thou says Yet in all this hath not Gods severity so much appeared as in the late upstart Quakers by whom the Divel comes stealing into the Field saith thou Answ Zachariah Crofton I do believe that not only thou but all the Parish-masters in England may truly say of that people called Quakers as Ahab said of Micaiah You hate them for they never prophesied good to you for keeping up tythes hire and augmentations and Christ now being manifest in his servants it is not strange that thou should call him the Divel it is but the same title that thy Fore-fathers the Pharise●● gave him and being manfest in his servants he doth so torment the god of this world in he hi●el●ngs that they cry loud for their gains from their quarters as the manner of the greedy dogs ever was Priest Yet now to us how do they prevail Too too much with too too many saith thou Answ I say yet for all that your blind eyes cannot see Gods hand in it lifted up against you Phar●●h like ones and his divine providence in carrying on his own work though you oppress the seed as much as you can yet it increaseth so much the more to the glory of God and the torment of the Beast in you is begun P●iest They are to be pitied not hated they are to be prayed for not preached unto for the Divel that possesseth them is such as can be cast out by no other means save Fasting and Prayer sayest thou Answ Zachariah Crofton If thine eyes were but opened to see how thy own poor soul lieth in the death thou would have then much cause to take thy pity a little rearer thee and pity thy s●lf for thy pity we disown I believe it will prove not worth receiving and for thy prayers we do deny them for the prayers of the wicked God will not hear Isa 1.15 John 9.31 and thou talks of Fasting to cast out Divels I say what now Wilt thou own Fasting Is it not superstition with thee Did thou not term it as superstition when we fasted and now it serves thee to make a talk of thy self But I will tell thee if thy prayers and thy fasting will cast out Divels turn thine eye home within and cast out legion the●e first but I believe thou w●ll but cast out a few Divels or none at all for Christ said if Sathan cast out himself he is divided aga●nst himself If thou hast an ear thou may h●ar Priest And thou saist indeed Amongst other grounds of our compassion this is not the least that they enjoy too much liberty sayest thou and thou seems to be trou●led at it that men will not shew us such pity as to subject us to a Bedlam discipline Answ Zachariah Crofton It seems thy compassion would not afford us our l●berty and if thou ●ad as much power in thy hands as thou seems to have of a cru●l sort of pity in thy heart thou would bring us to a Bedl●m Discipline I say if this be thy compassion and pity let i● be to thy self it is fit thou should be pitied first thy self seeing thou would take such pity on strangers whom thou knows not and if thou chance to take thy lodging in that place where thou wouldst have us pitied then remember that God is just in reaching thee a

Hale I have perused thy book over and in the front or first words that I found thou seems to me very highly to boast of some great piece of work done by thee by which the Quakers principles as thou calls them were like to be overthrown Titleing thy Book Quakers Principles quaking But now if it fall out with thee as it did with Haman thou maist blame thy self for it and if thy own weapons do cut off the head of thy boasting then remember what David did to Goliah Hale And in the Title page thou saith Modestly propounded by Ralph Hale an affectionate lover of Truth Admirer of sincere saving light c. Answ Ralph Hale If this be thy modesty in which thou hast propounded this stuff in thy book thou may yet go and learn what modesty is for here all may take notice of thy gross darkness and confusion Th●u sai h thou loves the Truth and yet admires of sincere saving light I say observe these following words Christ said I am the Truth and the Life John 14.6 and John said That life was the light of men John 1.4 and Christ himself said I am the light John 8.12 Observe here Christ said I am the Truth and Christ said I am the light and to us this light is sincere true and saving though thou admires thereof as thou saith Now all may take notice what love thou hast to the truth that puts a difference between the truth and the light and saith Thou art a lover of the one and yet an admirer of the other but if thou had loved the truth or known it thou had loved the sincere saving light also for Christ is the Truth and Chr st is the sincere saving light and thou saith thou admires of sincere saving light but thou art not the first that was of that generation that were despisers wonderers and admirers of Christ who is the sincere saving light Herod thy forefather and all Jerusalem with him were put into as great admiration and trouble as possibly thou can be now when they heard of Christ who is the sincere saving light Repent thou with speed lest thy end be like Herods But before I go any further remember that in the 25th page there speaking of the Scriptures to be the Law and Testimony thou sayest what ever pretended colour you put upon it if it be not Law and testimony proof I shall give no credit to it saith thou Now I say if that which thou affirms in thy Book cannot be proved by Scripture thou should not think much at me for denying it and turning it on thee again as false seeing thou hast owned the Scripture as the Rule and Touchstone to try words by and except thou be a lyar thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast affirmed that cannot be proved by Scripture And in four pages thou prints the Quakers paper as thou calls it and in the fifth page where thou speaks of an answer to it thou arr talking of the bended knees of thy soul Answ Ralph Hale here I charge thee to be one that speaks of what thou knows not in speaking of the soul and whether thou speaks good or evil of it thou speaks of what thou knows not and in the Title page of thy book thou sayest they speak evil of what they do not know take that to thy self and own it until thou can give an account what thine own soul is Hale And thou sayest thou looks upon it to be very dangerous piece to break and rend our selves from the Church of God Answ I say so do I too but to depart from hypocrites and false hirelings and such as seek their gain from their quarters which the Prophet called Dogs and such as Christ declared against who have Greetings in the Market and are called of men Masters I count it no danger to depart from such but a good duty which the Scripture joyneth upon us for after the Apostle hath reckoned up several evil workers he saith from such turn away 2 Tim. 3.5 Hale And thou sayest thou art able in some measure to d●stinguish between the Word of God and God the Word Answ I say the Father and the Son is one and the Son of God is the Word of God Rev. 19.13 his name is called the Word of God and the childe of God will give that name to none but the Son of God alone for the father hath given him a name above every name Eph. 2.9 and whereas thou hast said thou art able to distinguish between the Word of God and God the Word and yet hast laid down no distinction how they may know the one from the other by their several grounds foundations and natures several operations and workings in the creature and what difference betwixt them and how it may be known I say thou art but a proud boaster a sayer and not a doer when thou should lay down thy distinctions thou puts it off with a shuffle and talks of the Bible being the external Word and such strange words as these and so saith nothing to the purpose Hale And whereas thou affirms the Bible to be the Word of God or the external Word as somtimes thou terms it Answ Ralph Hale why wilt thou talk of the Bible being the Word of God or the external Word for thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast spoken except thou be a lyar for thou hast made that null and void by thy own rule in thy book that is not law and testimony proof there is no Scr●pture that saith the Bible is the Word of God or the external Word and in the 25. page of thy Book thou sayest if it be not Law and Testimony proof thou wilt give no credit to it and I say thou had as good prove thy self a cheat as yet again prove thy self a lyar Hale And in the 6 and 7 pages thou art reckoning up those Titles that God gave to his Ministers both of the Law and Gospel as thou sayest Answ Ralph Hale What have such hypocrit●s dogs and hirelings as seek their gain from their qua te●s to do with those Titles that God gave to his Ministers that abode in his Doctrine And what hast thou to do to give those Titles to them that practise the same things that the dogs and hirelings did For when Christ found such as stood praying in the Synagogues and had greetings in the Markets he gave them the Title of hypocrites and forbade their waies and the same Spirit will give them that do the same things the same Titles now Hale And thou says May we not conclude with our Saviours own words He that hears you hears me and he that despiseth you despiseth me Answ Ralph Hale thou art in a great error or mistake if thou think that Christ spake those words to such hypocrites and hirelings as send men about their quarters to gather them in Calves and Geese and young Swine for their preaching they were not

so swinishly minded that Christ spake those words to they coveted no mans gold nor silver and if they had food and rayment they would be therewith content but the dogs will never be content and here take heed thou have not called evil good and good evil remember thou hast denounced a wo in the Title page of thy book to them that do so and all who have an eye may here see that wo meet with thee and everlastingly it is thy portion except with speed thou repent Hale And in the 8 page thou sayest thou would gladly know whether we will acknowledge the whole Scripture to be the Word of God or no I mean the whole Bible sayest thou Answ I say if thou mean that the whole B●ble is the Word of God I say Nay for I do acknowledge no God but one nor no word of God but one and Christ is that Word the Bible is no more then a true declaration of what it declares the Bible ●s a declaration of those words that God spake but not the whole Bible some p●rt of it is a declaration of those words he divel spake Luke 4.3 6. the divel said unto him If thou be the Son of God c. and the divil said ●nto him All this power will I give thee Is this the words of God or the words of the divel And further if I should say that the Bible were the Word of God thou would give no credit to it except thou be a lyar for there is no Scripture saith so and in the 25 page of thy book thou sayest if it be not Law and Testimony proof thou wilt give no credit to it for shame do not m●ke thy self a lyar lest whilst thou goes about to make the Quakers Principles quake thou break thy own in pieces Hile. And in the 7 page thou said the ministers work is for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the Body of Christ which is the Church sayest thou Answ I say if the Ministers work be for the perfecting of the Saints and for the edifying of the Body of Christ then see that thou do not deny perfection in this life lest thou leave the Ministers neither time nor place to do their work in for the work that the Ministers doth they must do it in this life The dead that die in the Lord rest from their labours and their works follow them Rev. 14.13 there is no perfecting of the Saints in the grave and for the Body of Christ which thou sayest is the Church it is risen from the grave for the Church is in God therefore see that thou do not leave the Ministers their work to do after this life Hale And in the tenth page line the 14. thou sayest But you say this Law so much insisted upon together with the Priesthood of it is changed and the Commandment disanulled and this you bottom upon Hebr. 7.12 and 18. sayest thou Answ I say here let all take notice that the very same words that we bear witness to that is the changing of the Law and Priesthood and the disanulling of the Commandments and that on which we have bottomed it as thou thy self art forced to confess they are plain Scripture words without adding or diminishing as they are written in Heb. 7.12 and 18. and here again let all take notice what Spirit thou speaks from that by thy inchantment would make it seem as though the Law and Priesthood were not changed and the Commandments not disanulled except in such sancies and imaginations as thy vain mind can admit of and so would prove the Apostle a Lyar. Hale And whereas thou sayest thou dost affirm that Moses and the Prophets and the Gospel are all one in substance and in effect the very same Answ Ralph Hale thou dost affirm that whereof thou knows nothing but by hear-say thou never yet came to Christ who is the Gospel and there is no other Gospel nor to the Prophets nor to Moses estate but thou art between Adam and Moses and there death reigns over thee and if thou might not have talked of Moses the Prophets nor the Gospel till thou had known Moses to give a Law against sin and the transgressor in thee and the Prophets to denounce Gods judgements against sin in thee and the Gospel of peace that makes free from sin we had not found so many Scriptures wrested in thy Book by adding thy cursed meanings and the plagues of God must be added to him that adds Hale And in page 11. line 15. thou sayest in respect of order of the Priesthood it is not changed with the next words thou confutes that again for saith thou Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of Meschisedec and in page 15 two of the last lines thou sayest Christ is a Priest not after the order of Aaron but after the unchangeable order of Melchisedec Answ Ralph Hale Is this the modesty that thou talks of in the Title page of thy book in which thou propounds this stuff Thou here confesses that Christ is a Priest not after the order of Aaron but after the order of Melchisedec Now let all consider whether the Levitical Priesthood of Aarons order under which the Law was given to the people was not changed when another Priesthood was risen called by the name of another order the one being called by the order of Aaron and the other by the order of Melchisedec as in Heb. 7.11 which thou thy self art forced to confess that Christ is a Priest not after Aarons order but after the order of Melchisedec though before in page 11. line 19. thou said in respect of the order of the Priesthood it is not changed And here all may take notice of thy spirit of consusion and what saying and unsaying of a thing thou makes But when the Leopard is without spots then will that nature that thou lives in be without confusion Hale And thou sayest Tythes of Divine Right do belong to the servants of Melchised●chs order Answ I say if Tythes belongs to the servants then the Masters have nothing to do with them therefore see that you give not them to them that are called masters for by thy own rule they do not belong to masters but servants and the servants of Melchisedechs order who are Ministers of the Gospel they n●ither do nor never did demand them but will be content with Gospel wages If we have food and rayment let us be therewith content 1 Tim. 6.8 Hale And thou sayest I might instance the Sacraments of old under the Law Answ Ralph Hale Where is now thy modesty that thou talks of in the Title page of thy Book in which thou propounds thy stuff It is far from modesty to make lies and here thou d●st both make and instance lies for there is no such thing as a Sac ament ever men ioned in all the time under the Law therefore that is not Law and testimony proof then wilt sure

give no credit to it for shame lest thou make thy self a lyar and thou must here either prove thy self a lyar or thy book a cheat for in page 25. thou sayest if it be no● Law and Testimony proof thou will give no credit to it and here confider whose principles thou makes to q ake Hale And thou talks of two Sacraments more and calls them those two Sacraments that Christ instituted Answ Ralph Hale thou here again wants that modesty that thou talks of in thy Title page of thy book to propound thy stuff in for here thou hast propounded two lies and thou cast them on Christ which is furthest of all from modesty for thee to bely Christ for Christ never spake of such a thing as a Sacrament in all the Scriptures but thy grandfather the Pope invented S●craments and you plead for a remnant of them but the Pope and all his Sacraments we do deny and the true Baptism and the Lords Supper according to Scripture we own Hale And thou hast wrested the Scriptures so long by thy cursed meanings added to them to di●prove the Apostle who said there is verily a disanulling of the Commandment going before and he lays down the reason for the weakness and unprofitableness th●reo● H●b 7.18 ye thou having thy understanding darkned thou breaks forth and saith where lies now the disanulling of the Commandment except in the sense before mentioned sayest thou Answ I say the disanulling of ●he commandment stan●s now in the blood of Christ the everlasting Covenant of light life and peace where i● stood before thou begun to wrest these Scriptures to thy own destruction Hale For as to the total annihilating disanulling or destroying the Law our Saviour disclaims it in his own words sayest thou Answ I say what cunning crooked turns and ginns the serpent takes in thee to smite the innocent with thy tongue Here thou leaves forth our words and mentions what will make for thy wicked purpose and thou gives an answer to that and then sayest it is an answer to the Quakers paper Was there such a word in all th●t p per as that the Law is destroyed Wilt thou suffer the Divel forge his lies upon thy heart and then make thy self his servant to cast them upon us by his and thy Divelish inchantments Did Christ ever disclaim the changing of the Law and Priesthood or the disanulling of the commandments going before and that was the thing we spoke of and not the destroying of the Law as the paper it self in thy book printed stands a witness against thee Hale And thou sayest the Ministers of the Gospel are servants of Melchisedechs order Answ Ralph Hale Ministers of the Gospel be servants then that is one clear mark by which they may be known from those hypocrites dogs and hirelings that have greetings in the markets and are called of men Master Doth this make the Quakers principles quake or it cuts your own principles down let all judge That this is the thing that the Quakers do affirm that the Ministers of the Gospel should not be called masters but should be servants Therefore see thou write the Priest of Leverpool Master Fogge no more in thy Books lest thou shame him And thou pleads That Tythe of Divine Right belongs to the Ministers of the Gospel Answ Ralph Hale That is the thing that thou hast yet to prove I deny it Hale And thou sayest the way form and kinde in which the Ministers wages ought to be paid is not so clear from the New Testament as from the Old Answ I say the way form and kind in which the Ministers wages ought to be paid is as clear from the new Testament as Tithes was from the old but the greedy Dogs and hirelings will not be content with the wages that Christ appointed to the Ministers of the Gospel Is it not written Provide neither gold nor silver nor brass in your purses nor scripps for your journey neither two Coats nor shooes for the workman is worthy of his meat Matth. 10.9 and 10. Luke 10.7 8. Eat such things as they give for the Lab●urer is worthy of his hire And into whatsoever City ye enter and they receive you eat such things as is set before you Thus you see that the hire or wages that the Lord appointed was to eat and be satisfied as before mentioned they should not provide afore-hand but as the Lord appointed them yea to a coat or shooes they were not to go beyond his appointment but to be content with sufficiency for the present therefore I say unto you Take no thought for your life what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink nor yet for your Body what ye shall put on Mat. 6.25 and verse 28. Why take ye thought for rayment Consider the Lillies of the field c. and verse the 30 31 and 32. O ye of little faith Therefore take no thought saying What shall we eat Or what shall we drink Or wherewithal shall we be clothed For after all these things do the Gentiles seek and so forth Thus we see the Ministers wages ought to be paid set down by Christ himself and me-thinks Christs own words should take place with thee but indeed it is the Prophet said the Dogs will never have enough Isa 56.10 11. but tell me if this wages that Christ appointed for the Min●sters of the Gospel had been of a greater value or a greater proportion and had exceeded tythes in proportion as far as tythes exceed a sufficient maintainance of food and rayment dost thou not believe that those called Ministers in England would have pleaded up the maintenance that Christ had appointed as highly as they now do Tythes and have denied Tythes as clearly taken away except they could have had both Let all consider this Hale So then we see it pleased the most wise God whose is the earth and the fulness thereof to appoint such a proportion as the tenth part both before the Law and under the Law and never after expresly did take it off saith thou Answ I say to that which thou calls before the Law I shall answer thee in due time if God will and that which thou call under the Law I say God did not appoint it for the Priests only but for a due preparation f●r meat and drink for the strangers widdow and fatherless and the Levite because he had no inheritance among the rest of the people he was not to be forsaken but to eat and be satisfied as well as the strangers widdows and fatherless Deut. 14.27 28 29. and in Mal. 3.10 it is again clearly proved that tythes was appointed for a due and full how Christ not only forewarned his Ministers that they sho●ld not possess gold nor silver but also forewarn them that they should not provide before-hand for food and rayment and we find them as truly observing it If we have food and rayment let us be therewith content 1 Tim. 6.8

sayest Christ is perfection it self now I say If Christ be perfection it self and if perfection be not attainable in this life by this thou makes void all labouring and striving to attain to Christ in this life who said Come unto me all ye that are weary and heav●e laden and so you that are without perfection in this life you are without Christ in this life by thy own confession Hale And thou sayest Who-ever thou art that boastest of standing upon the feet of thy own perfection I say unto thee in the name of the Lord if thou standest at all thou standest by Faith Be not high minded but fear sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale When wilt thou cease from this secret sl●ndering and cunning fly ginns that thou hast to utter thy deceitful and hard speeches against us in for I see the Divels drift in thy words is to present us to the world as they that boasted of their own perfection and all such boasting and boasters we do deny both in word and thought and before Gods Judgement seat do I stand justified in this thing and when the Book of Conscience is opened thou shalt find this true and then shalt thou with the rest of Cains and Ishmaels brood receive a just reward for all your hard and scornful speeches against us And the perfection which we own is the perfect righteous glory of God in Christ manifested in the creature which is attained unto and enjoyed by the faith of the Son of God in the light abiding and not else therefore unknown to thee and all self righteousness and perfections we do utterly deny Hale And thou reckons up four perfections one after another in the 21 and 22 pages First Thou sayest there is an imputative perfection Secondly There is perfection in part sayest thou And thirdly There is a comparative perfection And fourthly and lastly There is an absolute perfection sayest thou And three of them thou wilt acknowledge to be attainable in this life and the fourth unattainable All which I shall by the assistance of God make clear by Scripture and that very briefly sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale Here again thou wants that mod●sty that thou s●eaks of in the Title page of thy book to propound thy stuff in for here thou was more brief and hasty then e●ther modest or wis● in saying thou would make it cl●ar by Scripture that there is four perfections I say there is no Scripture that spe●ks of four perfections thou may prove it as soon as thou can and by what thou can for if there be four perfections they are more then we own or ●ver spoke of or ●ver knew of by three of them and thou sayest that three of them is at a n●ble in this life and when we say there is but one perfection attainable in this life you are angry with us and deni●s it and some will say it is blasp●emy yet in thy modesty hast propounded three for your selves I say those three strange perfections that thou talks of shall be for your selves for we own no perfection but one and that is the perfect righteous glory of God in Christ Jesus the everlast●ng covenant of life light and peace given by the measure of the gist of Christ the light and manifest in the creature to the glory of the praise of God and the least measure of that is perfect and what is perfect is absolutely perfect according to the measure of the gift of God and the gift of God is absolutely perfect and there is no image or likeness to be made of perfection he that calls any thing else perfection is an Image-maker and a Wizard Hale And in page the 22. thou sayest There is an absolute perfection when the members shall be made like Christ our Head when we shall be glorified together with him when these vile b●dies shall be made like his glorious body sayest thou but I say observe these following words when all the remainders of corrupt nature shall be consumed in Gods furnace I mean the grave sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale Here let all take notice that thou hast affirmed that perfection is not attainable till all the remainders of corrupt nature shall be consumed in Gods fornace and let them take notice that thou sayest thou means the grave I say here we smell the evil factor of the Pope in thee and by this thou lays open and plain your secret sub●le masked pop●ry which you hold up and truly thou hast dealt more plainly and honestly then the old Serpent will do in many of you in that thou hast told us of a furnace in which the remainders of your corrupt nature must be consumed before that you can be perfect and sayest thou means the grave for ●ere thou hast fully unmasked Antichrist and the Pope in you that he begins to appear in his own colours and it is no marvel if you deny perfection in this life that hopes for a furnace in the grave to c●nsume the remainders of your corrupt nature in but I pray thee how far lies that furnace that thou talks of in the grave from the Popes purgatory and what difference between them and whether it is not the same yea or nay though thou would colour it over with another name put upon it and so if it were possible thou would deceive the very elect with it but is that furnace that thou talks of in the grave the power by which thou wilt make the Quakers principles so to quake that thou so highly boasts or in Titleing thy book Quakers principles quak●ng But if whilst thou hast gone about to make the Quakers principles quake I say if that while thou hast not brok●n thy own in pieces let all who have the eye of discerning consider it Hale And whereas thou talks of Christ your head and you his members for thou sayest when we the members shall be made like Christ our head Answ Ralph Hale Thou may own the Pope for thy head whilst thou talks of a furnace in the grave and for Christ thou hast put him at a great distance from you in that thou sayest Christ is perfection it self and yet saith perfection is not attainable in this life here by thy own words Christ whom thou sayest is your head and thou sayest he is perfection it self and you members must never meet together whilst you are in this life Thus thou hast put a great distance between Christ and you in that thou sayest Christ is perfection it self and yet saith perfection is not attainable in this life Hale And in page 25. thou art talking of a full answer to our paper Answ Ralph Hale if thou wilt answer it fully when will thou answer that part of it about the Priests that if they will take tythes they should feed the poor strangers widdows and fatherless with them but it was the practice of Judas who was a thief and betrayed Christ to plead hard for somthing to put in the bag but

thy practise of lying we do decry what a nest of lies hast thou hatched here in a matter of fourteen lines compass Priest And whereas thou sayest they leave all men in the dark what they mean by their light Answ I say we mean by the light what John and Christ spoke of it and the light which we own and speak of is the light of Christ Jesus the everlasting Covenant of light in him was life and that life was the light of men this is the light which we own and speak of and though it shines in the darkness yet thou natu al man who loves darkness and delights in lies thou dost not perceive the things of the Spirit of God for the light if thou love it it will lead thee out of darkness and out of such cursed lying as thou lives in and if thou walk contrary to it it is thy c●ndemnation to condemn thee for ever from the Lord God and from the glory of his presence and though thou now lives in thy envie and mischief inventing of lies yet when the day of thy trouble cometh then shal thou know what is meant by this except with speed thou repent Priest Doth the light of Nature give liberty to women to be common Controulers and ordinary speakers saith thou Answ Zachariah Crofton Whatever that which thou c●lls the light of Nature gives yet God gave liberty to the male and to the female to have dominion over the Beasts therefore the female may controul the Serpent where-ever he is his head must be broken by the seed of the woman and I tell thee as pure glad tydings as ever was preached to mankinde that was a living Christ risen from the Sepulcher was first declared by Mary unto men before the men knew it and would not that which thou calls the light of Nature have given liberty to Mary to speak then if it would not it is nothing but darkness put for light Priest But is not silence the duty imposed and property adorning that Sex sayest thou Answ For the Sex thou may take it to thy self for thou talks like a Sectarian but for silence it neither is nor never was imposed upon all the Female Your Daughters shall Prophesie saith the Lord Joel 2.28 I permit not a woman to speak in the Church saith the Apostle I say no more do we but we permit Christ who is one in the male and in the female to speak in his Temple whether in male or in female and dost thou not believe that Christ shall be formed as in the male so in the female and if so then who art thou that would impose the women to silence when Christ is formed in them Paul writ to those women that helpt him in the Gospel those are the self lovers covetous boasters and proud blasphemers and house-creepers that would keep silly women ever learning and never come to the knowledge of the truth see 2 Tim. 2. to 8. and seeing you say silence is the duty imposed on them see that you be no more angry with them for not speaking to you when nothing but your wills requires it Priest But will not the Heathens reject the Religion which is inforced with feminine voice sayest thou Answ I say yea the heathens will reject it that is proved in thee and many more of the heathens in England you both reject and rage against the pure Religion with what voice soever it comes but they who are not heathens that knows God they receive it in due time though you heathens reject it and rage and roar at them for receiving of it Priest But they go from Country to Country and from Nation to Nation sayest thou Answ I say is that any thing but what Daniel said should come to pass Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased Dan. 12.4 But I believe the greatest thing that troubles thee and all the Parish-masters in England in their going is this they are often moved to declare against hypocrites and such as seek their gains from their quarters as tythe hire and augmentations if they did but cry this up as much as they cry it down would they not be more born with by the parish masters give an honest true answer Priest And thou sayest They cursedly revile rather then convincingly reprove Answ I say that is false it is the fool that saith so for whose back the rod is prepared he hath reproof and terms it as cursed rayling yet if they did rail as they do not thou should not have judged them for it left whilst thou judgest them thou condemnest thy self for hast thou not called them black mouths possessed with Divels and the like Is not this railing language that thou useth to others For shame speak against railing no more till thou hast reformed it in thy self for thou art inexcusable O man that judgest another and dost the same things thy self for in that thou judgest them thou condemnest thy self Rom. 2.1 Read thy portion here and own it it is pla●n enough and due to thee Priest And thou bids the Reader give thee leave to prescribe him some few Ru●es for his preservation and first thou bids him set Reason in its Throne and thou talks of rational faculties and powers of discerning discovering and determining the things which God and Nature hath given him for obs●rve fayest thou the Divel blinds this eye and de-thrones this Judge when he advanceth the pretended light Answ I say to the consuming lake with all the robbers that thou advanceth and setteth up to judge and determine that which God gives Art thou setting up reason and thou knows not what to judge Must any thing be Judge but Christ alone Is n●t a●l judgement given to the Son of God Yea and cursed thou art that sets up any thing else to judge and determine the things that God gives and for Nature let that be silent in giving good gifts good gifts are the gifts of God alone there is nothing else gives them though thou would set up nature as another giver and in the naturals thou art a natural man and perceives not the things of the spirit of God and to thee they are foolishness as they were to thy fore-fathers Priest When you are mad you may be brought to do any thing sayest thou Answ I say we think it not strange that thou shouldest term us as mad-men it is no more then the Pharisees thy fore-fathers said of the Apostle Paul and Christ himself and we must expect the same portion from the same generation of vipers and evil doers and it is our joy that with Christ we may suffer and reigne Many more of thy reproachful lies and false slanders might I mention as thy saying we dis-own the Scriptures and the like but thus shall I leave thy bundle of lies and reproachful false and vilifying words and proceed to Ralph Hales book and see what stuf is thereïn and of what force it is RAlph