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A70229	The Quakers appeal answer'd, or, A full relation of the occasion, progress, and issue of a meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past wherein the allegations of William Pen in two books lately published by him against Thomas Hicks, were answered and disproved, and Tho. Hicks, his quotations out of the Quakers own books attested by several as being appeal'd unto.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.; Kiffin, William, 1616-1701.	1674 (1674)	Wing H1924; ESTC R2772	24,153	49

THE QUAKERS APPEAL ANSWER'D OR A FULL RELATION Of the Occasion Progress and Issue of a Meeting held in Barbican the 28 th of August last past VVherein the Allegations of William Pen in Two BOOKS lately Published by Him against Thomas Hicks were Answered and Disproved And Tho. Hicks his Quotations out of the Quakers own Books Attested by several as being appeal'd unto Published for Common Information Deut. 19.16 c. If a false VVitness arise against any man to Testifie against him that which is False Then both the Men between whom the controversieis shall stand up before the Lord before the Priests and the Judges which shall be in those days And the Judges shall make Diligent Inquisition and behold if the Witness be a false Witness Then you shall do unto him as he thought to have done unto his Brother So shall you put the Evil away from you LONDON Printed for Peter Parker at the Leg and Star in Cornhil over against the Royal Exchange 1674. Where are Sold the three Dialogues between a Christian and a Quaker To the Reader WHereas there have been several Books published of late by Thomas Hicks by way of Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Against which the people called Quakers have manifested great offence G. Whitehead calls the First Dialogue a malitious Forgery and Fiction stuft with manifest slanders against persons and principles Dip. pl. p. 1. To the first and second Dialogues William Pen wrote an Answer Intituled Reason against Ratling and Truth against Fiction c. Unto which Thomas Hicks replyed in a Third Dialogue Intituled The Quaker condemned out of his own mouth To this last William Pen saith something in his Counterfeit Christian Detected c. Wherein he doth charge Thomas Hicks with vile Forgeries and black slanders c. By way of Appeal to all sober people especially those called Anabaptists in and about the City of London And at the end of which book we have these words by way of appeal A Postscript by another hand We expect to hear what the Baptists in and about London will say as being appealed to concerning their Brother Tho. Hicks his proceeding in his three Dialogues and whether they approve thereof or of such Play-Books or Romances about Religion yea or nay For they are highly concerned to give Judgement and to be plain to the world herein as they tender the Glory of God and the Reputation of Religion c. Now if you the Teachers and Elders c. among the Baptized people do not publickly clear your selves of Tho. Hicks and these his unjust proceedings against us and hereafter he further persists therein we may take it for granted that you own his work and may justly deal with him and pursue him not onely as Tho. Hicks but as the Baptists great Champion peculiar Agent or Representative But if you ingenuously clear your selves of him and his corrupt perverse work then his future miscarriages will be chargeable onely upon Tho. Hicks himself and you shall appear to the world so far clear thereof and approve your selves the more honest and sincere towards God Truth and Religion The aforesaid book of William Pens was distributed at the doors of some of our Meeting places the second of August last Though some of us met not with it till several days after Upon the reading of this Appeal we were concerned to examine the several things charged by William Pen against Tho. Hicks and the rather because the said Appeal signifies that if we did not deal with him as such a person therein represented they would interpret his proceedings as the Act of the whole Baptists c. Now forasmuch as Thomas Hicks is a member with us and one whose conversation hath been honest and unblameable to the best of our knowledge having so heavy a charge exhibited against him viz. A Forger and a Lyar we could do no less than desire Tho. Hicks to give us a Publick-meeting that we might hear what he could say hereunto and if he had done them any wrong either by misquoting of them in any of their books or slandering of them in any thing he had charged them with That we might if any such thing appeared discharge that duty towards him as becomes us viz. either to bring him to acknowledge his evil as Publickly as he had wronged them or to have disowned him as a person unworthy of countenance amongst us in case he should refuse so to do It being altogether contrary to our principles and practice to allow any amongst us that shall either in word or deed wrong any sort of men Hereupon a Letter was sent to William Pen as followeth William Pen Whereas an Appeal has been made to us in a Book lately published by thee Intituled The Counterfeit Christian Detected c. That we should clear our selves of Tho. Hicks and As the Appeal expresseth it of his unjust proceedings against the Quakers These are therefore to acquaint Thee that we have desired Tho. Hicks to give us a publick meeting that we might hear his Answer both with respect to those Doctrines and matters of Fact which he in his Dialogues hath laid to the Quakers charge At which meeting thy self with some others of thy friends are expected to be present And we do also entreat and expect from you that as you have in Print accused him of Forgery and lying so you would suffer him withou interruption to make his own defence otherwise we shall not be able to give Judgement whether he hath wronged you or not William Kissen Han. Knollys Tho. Paul Lawrence Wise Henry Forty James Jones London 15 th of August 1674. The meeting will be on the 28 th instant at Mr. Gosnels meeting-place in Barbican at two of the Clock in the Afternoon This Letter was sealed and directed to William Pen at his house at Rickmansworth or elsewhere and left with Phillip Ford for conveyance Who presumed to break open the letter and accordingly returned this Answer to the persons before named Yesterday I received a Letter from you directed to William Pen concerning a meeting to be the 28th instant at which you say you expect him This serves onely to give you notice that he was gone into the East of England about three weeks agoe and when his return will be I know not neither doe I know how to give him notice hereof and therefore I do not see that he is likely to be there except you had been pleased to have appointed a time when he was in the City or so near that he might have had timely notice of your intentions If this be designedly done it is not fair but if not the debate must be suspended till a time in which the parties concerned with you by mutual consent agree upon a time This I thought good to let you know and do judge you ought to let others know it that so vain boasting may be prevented as much as in us lyeth which is all

19 That some of their Friends have excused some of their Villanies by pretences to the innocent Life Dial. 3. Epist Concerning these three last I propose this unto the Quakers that if they will chuse six sober and disinterested persons I also will do the like And if I cannot give sufficient Reasons for what I have Objected against them I will contentedly submit to what those twelve men shall determine VVe whose names are hereunder written doe certifie that the aforesaid Quotations are truly recited out of those Books to which they refer VVitness our hands My occasions calling me from the meeting before the ending thereof but since having perused the proofs by comparing them with the Quakers Books whence they are cited I find them to agree Witness my hand William Kiffen Dan. Dyke Han. Knollys John Gesnell Tho. Paul Henry Forty John Norcot Tho. Wilcocks Robert Snelling Maurice King Jonathan Jennings Thomas Plant Joseph Morton Owen Davis John Hunter John Snelling William Dix John Vernon Edw. Noble Rob. Maton John Singleton Dr. James Baron There are many more both Ministers and others who are ready and willing if occasion serve to attest the same Note also That those Instances in the foregoing Margents were added since the Meeting for further proof A Postscript to the Reader HAving seen William Pens complaynt wherein after his idle Excuses He is pleased to propose for a publick Meeting To which I answer That such a Meeting never was refused but often hath been desired by me provided That the matters in controversie betwixt us might be the subject of the Debate Accordingly I did long since send Six Questions to G. Whitehead promising to meet him in the most publick place I could procure so be it he would comply with these Conditions 1 That I might have liberty to produce their own Books to be read openly for the clearing matter of fact 2 That we might agree upon a Rule by which our Discourse may be determin'd 3 That he would speak directly and plainly to the Question 4 That but one at a time should speak and Lastly That any who would might write after us The Questions were these 1 Whether the Light in every man be God 2 Whether the Light in every man be the true and very Christ the Scripture speaks of 3 Whether Christ hath not a personal Being without men 4 Whether the Soul be part of Gods Being without Beginning and infinite 5 Whether none of those things which God hath given by way of Command to others be a Command to me 6 Whether the speaking of the Spirit in the Quakers be of greater Authority than the Scriptures G. Whitehead would not accept hereof though I told him These were some of the things which the Dialogue objects against them But if William Pen will engage in the Disquisition of these Questions upon the Conditions aforesaid and also That no more than three of each side be allow'd to Debate and but one of those three to speak at a time equal liberty being granted on each side to those persons nominated and allow'd upon notice of his willingness He shall God willing be attended But if he refuse 't is expected he give sufficient Reasons why he doth so Forasmuch as these are some of the principal matters in difference every Question having its Foundation in their own Books as the foregoing Narrative will abundantly manifest whereupon I conceive he ought not to decline them yet nevertheless if he shall rather choose to insist upon other matters of less importance giving his Reasons why these and not those before propounded Then let him send me the particulars thereof subscribed with his own hand and I will give him a speedy answer I have now a few things to add respecting matter of fact which were not spoken to in the Publick meeting aforesaid 1 That they the Quakers make use of the Scriptures only to silence them that plead for it as their rule see Dial. 1. p. 24 25. Will. Pen accounts this a Forgery Reas ag Rayl p. 158. my answer is That I have given an instance and that of no ordinary Quaker By whom words of such an import were spoken and withall plainly intimated to whom he so expressed himself see Dial. 3. pag. 36. Another particular which Will. Pen in his wonted modesty calls a lye Is that Instance concerning Nicolas Lucas Dial. 2. p. 71 In this also I have been cleared and vindicated Inasmuch as the person from whom I had the relation who heard him speak the words hath Attested it to Nicolas Lucas before witnesses And whereas t is said in the Append. to Reas against Rail p. 12. That it was refer'd to Henry Stout to witness that charge Reader I doe assure thee that no such matter was refer'd to him The next thing which Will. Pen in his haste hath branded for a lye and slander Is this That I should say The tendency of all the Quakers reasoning about Instituted Religion is to Debauch mankind and to teach men to live in rebellion against God Dial. 3. p. 65 In answer hereunto I shall produce Will. Pen himself for my compurgator Who concerning the ordinances of water Baptisme and breaking of Bread writes thus I would not have any so sottish as to think That Christ came to abolish the shaddows of the Jews And Institute others in their room He came to remove and abolish the very nature of such ordinances I affirm circumcision is as much in force as Water-Baptisme And the paschal Lamb as Bread and Wine They were both but shaddows and both Elementary and perishable And though the latter were more Immediately forerunning and Introductory of the substance it self yet not to be perpetuated For a continuance of them had been a Judaizing of the spiritual and Evangelicall worship The Gospel would have been a state of Figures Types and shadows which to assert or practise is as much as in us lyes to pluck it up by the Rootes The Appellation Ordinances of Christ I therefore Renounce as unscriptural inevangelical Besides the spirit of whoredom from God Gross Apostacy Superstition and Idolatry yea a spirit of Hypocrisie persecution and murder and all manner of wickedness has got them and covered it self with them And we can testifie from the same spirit by which Paul renounc'd Circumcision That they are to be rejected as not now required And the Lord will appear to gather people out of them but never to establish or keep people in them Thus Will. Pen Reas against Rayl p. 108 109. Now whether I have not sufficiently discharg'd my self from those things whereof William Pen hath accused me I shall submit to the Judgement of all impartial men And since the Quakers have appealed whether they ought not to be concluded by their judgement to whom the Appeal was made especially this position of Will. Pens Being considered viz. That to which an Appeal is made must be capable of giving an infallible Judgement and so a true

at present from your Freind Phillip Ford. London 20 th 6 mo 1674. Another Letter of the same import with that before to William Pen was sent to G. Whitehead sealed and directed to him at his house at the Wheat-sheaff in Houndsditch or elsewhere Whereupon this following Answer was returned by G. Whiteheads Wife I did presume to open my husbands Letter lest I might prejudicially keep it now finding the consequence requiring my husband and William Pen at such a day and time which in all likelyhood they are incapable of answering being very remote from this City And the truth is in plainness I know not when nor where to send to either of them so did think it best to return the Letter with this plain information That I am thy Friend Ann Whitehead Hereupon another letter was sent to John Osgood to the same purpose as to William Pen and G. Whitehead with this addition That we understand that neither Will. Pen nor G. Whitehead were in the City and t is not known where they are nor how to direct our Letters to them of which we were wholly ignorant when those Letters were sent However since the matter depending before us is onely matter of Fact and not of Dispute we conceive we may proceed to hear Tho. Hicks his Defence His Charge being already in Print exhibited against him therefore we do now acquaint you of our intentions that you with some others of your Freinds may be there if you please c. Dated 23d of Aug. 1674. This Letter was accordingly delivered into John Osgoods Hands the very next day Thus far did we proceed to prevent any pleading of a surprize Though it was more than we were in strictness obliged unto Forasmuch as we with other sober people were Appealed unto And we are not to suppose that the Quakers did this to them who are not fit to give a certain judgement For William Pen saith That to which an Appeal is made must be capable of giving an Infallible Judgement and so a true Judge Or the Appeal is foolish Spir. of Truth vind p. 78. Consequently We must be infallible Judges in this Case or otherwise they have made a foolish Appeal Though this might have been sufficient to us had we Privately examined what Tho. Hicks had writ comparing it with the Quakers own Books and if we had found he had not wronged them would also have justified us in the clearing of Tho. Hicks nevertheless we were unwilling to be single Judges in this matter therefore thought it convenient to make it so Publick as we did To the end that they themselves and all others that pleased might hear and judge as well as we Hence could not think it reasonable to put off the meeting being so generally known meerly for the absence of William Pen and G. Whithead in regard the matters objected against the Quakers especially with respect to their opinions did concern the whole party and therefore there was the more Reason that those of them who could should have come that they might be Witnesses whether there was any wrong done to them or not According to the time appointed we did meet Tho. Hicks charged them with several opinions and produced the Books of such as have been and now are chief Leaders amongst the Quakers for his own discharge from Forgery And that all plainness might appear We ordered another person in the meeting to read the said Books according as they were Cited by Tho. Hicks Upon the reading of which we found them to agree with what he had laid to the Quakers charge which the following Narrative will give you a more full account of so that hitherto we see no cause of just blame to be laid unto Tho. Hicks And whereas there is a late paper Printed by way of complaint of several scandalous reports in City and Country against William Pen and G. Whitehead as if they purposely neglected to meet the day aforesaid To which we say that for any such Reports they came not from any amongst us as we know But some there were who did affirm that W. Pen was not far from London several dayes before the meeting and after our Letter was given to Phillip Ford to be sent to him Yea others do report That William Pen was at his own house not far from London the day before the meeting Though William Pen saith he heard not of it Directly nor Indirectly till about ten that very night the meeting ended Now if those Reports be true That William Pen was at his own house the day before c. It must be left to mens Judgements whether William Pen did not know of the meeting till afterwards especially since it is not improbable but that a man who will with the highest confidence deny what he knows to be true may also as confidently affirm that which he knowes to be false That William Pen is guilty of the First the Relation following may put you beyond doubt As for the Challenge which William Pen gives on the behalf of himself G. Whitehead and the rest of his friends to give us a publick-meeting c. We say that if Will. Pen or G. Whitehead or any other Leading-Quaker have any new matter to object against Tho. Hicks of which he hath not cleared himself publickly If they please to signifie the particulars thereof to us in Writing with their hands to it we shall return such answer thereunto either by a Publick-meeting or otherwise as to us may seem just and that may also be to the satisfaction of all indifferent and unprejudiced minds For we hope that nothing shall lye upon us in point of Duty towards Tho. Hicks but that by the Grace of God we shall be ready to do it William Kiffen Dan. Dyke Tho. Paul Han. Knollys Henry Forty A NARATIVE OF THE Method and Proceedings at the Meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August 1674. After Mr. Kiffen had given an Account of the Occasion hereof by Reading the Quakers Appeal wherein Tho. Hicks is Accused of Vnjust and Perverse Proceedings against them He signified That the Business of that Day was not to Dispute but only to Hear and Examine Matters of Fact viz. Whether Tho. Hicks was Guilty of that which is Objected against him Tho. Hicks THe things whereof I accuse the Quakers are Reduced under Two General Heads 1. Such as respect their Opinions 2. Their Practice Their Opinions I shall give you in these following particulars 1. That the Light in every man Or the Light where-with every man is Inlightned is God Dial. 1. pag. 3. Dial. 3. pag. 2. 2. That the Soul is part of God and of Gods Being without Beginning and Infinite Dial. 1. pag. 16. Dial. 3. pag. 2. 3. That Jesus Christ is not a Distinct Person without us Dial. 1. pag. 1. Dial. 3. pag. 2. 4. That Christ Redeems himself Dial. 1. pag. 47. Dial. 3. pag. 2. 5. That the Scripture is no Rule of Faith and Practise

unto Christians Dial. 1. pag. 1. Dial. 3. pag. 2. 6. That the Speaking of the Spirit in any is of greater Authority than the Scriptures Dial. 1. p. 48. 7. That 's no Command from God to me which he Commands to another Dial. 2. pag. 59. 8. That Justification by that Righteousness which Christ fulfilled for us wholly without us is a Doctrine of Devils Dial. 1. pag. 48. 9. That Justification is by Works Dial. 2. pag. 31. 51. 10. That Christ fulfilled the Law only as our Pattern or Example Dial. 2. pag 52. 11. That the Doctrine of Christs Satisfaction is Irreligious and Irrational Dial. 3. pag. 3. 12. That this Body which Dies shall not rise again Dial. 3. pag. 3. VVilliam Pen. Whether these Doctrines and Expressions charg'd upon the People called Quakers by Tho. Hicks in both his Dialogues be really the Doctrines and Sayings of that People or not Reason against Rayl pag. 6. Tho. Hicks That these are their Doctrines and Expressions I am now to prove 1. That the Quakers do hold that the Light in every man or the Light wherewith every man is Enlightned is God This Particular needs not to be Insisted on for as G. VVhitehead and VVill. Pen deny not the Quotations produced for the Proof hereof VVill. Pen expresly clears me from Forgery in this Particular Saith he Where we have never charg'd Forgery upon him He viz. Tho. Hicks hath taken the Opportunity and that with confidence of an Innocent to cry out Is this candid to call me a Forger when you confess the things Examine saith he Dial. 3. pag. 4 5 6 9. Thus Will. Pen Counterfeit Christian Detected pag. 9. If you please to Read my Book and the Pages Will. Pen refers to You will find that the very Point now in Hand is there Discours'd of Though this might suffice for my Vindication yet for the sake of others I crave Leave that some Quotations may be Read In him was Life and the Life was the Light of Men. If the Life be the Divine Essence the Light must be so also For such as the Cause is such the Effect must be Thus G. Whitehead in a Manuscript The absurdity of this Argument being shew'd in my First Dial. pag. 3 4. Will. Pen answers thus G. Whitehead inferring from John 1. That if the Life was of the Divine Being the Light must be the same for as the Cause so is the Effect It was never Geo. Whiteheads principle or words That the Life which is the Light of Men is but in it self a meer Effect For he owns it in its own Being to be no other than God himself And values not the Counterfeits i. e. Tho. Hicks's quarrel Counterfeit Christian detected pag. 56. Margin We assert the true Light with which every man is inlightened to be in it self the Christ of God and the Saviour of the World Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl p. 56. All men are inlightened c. This Light is Divine because 't is the very Life of the Word which is God Not an Effect of his Power as a created Light as some men fancy Will. Pen Quakerism a new Nick-name pag. 9 10. To call the Light in every man a meer creature is contrary to John 1. In him was Life and the Life was the Light of men which Light is Divine and Increated G. Whitehead Dip. Pl. pag. 13. Some call the Light Conscience c. Which Light was before Conscience was or Creature was or Created or made Light was He made the Sun the Moon c. And the Light was before these were made G. Fox Gr. Myst p. 10. Some call it a Natural Light Which Light was before the word Conscience was or a Natural Light The Sun Moon and Stars either For all things that were made was made by it The Natural Light or made Light are created Lights He made the Sun the Moon and Stars They were made And here as the Natural Light to the Natural Eye And the Light that every man is Inlightened with that cometh into the VVorld was before these were made Glorified with the Father before the VVorld began G. Fox Gr. Myst pag. 23. The Light which every man that cometh into the World is Inlightned withall is Christ by whom the World was made G. Fox Gr. Myst pag. 185. The Light which every one that cometh into the World is enlightned withal is not Conscience For the Light was before any thing was made or Conscience named G. Fox Gr. Myst pag. 331. The words of the Everlasting and true Light who is the Eternal Living God and the King of Saints which he gave unto me his Servant to Declare to the Inhabitants of the Earth c. Hearken O ye Nations c. Thus saith the Lord God of Heaven and Earth whose Name is the Light I am the Lord and there is none else can save I the Light created all things and Form'd and made you all of the Dust I the Light gave unto every one of you Life and Breath and you and all things are upheld by me the Light You scorn me the Light in you and count me a Low Poor weak Thing not worth taking notice of You have disobeyed me and dishonoured me and called me a Natural light You fight against me the Light and Life within you And I the Light have been oppressed in you and by you But verily my Spirit shall not alwayes strive with you For verily I the Lord God Almighty who am the Light which have made manifest your Iniquities to you which some of you call Natural And say That those who are led and guided by me the Light within which makes manifest sin That they are guided by the Spirit of Error and Delusion Mark I will make you know your Blasphemy and you shall know and feel to your everlasting Destruction if you speedily repent not That I the Light which lets you see sin and reproves for it am Spiritual and am the Spirit of Truth Mark I the Light made you all of one Blood c. But many of you have slighted me the Light in you I will make you bow at my Name the Light and you shall feel 't is not Natural as some of you have said of it For it shall break you to pieces and all your Professions and Wisdom which is out of the Light I the Light in you will confound it all I 'le break all Sects Opinions and gathered Churches so called which are not in me I the Light in you will take away all Peace from the Earth Yea I 'le bring you to your Wits end I 'le burn your Heavens all your Joy your Peace your Righteousness which stand in the power of Darkness I the Light in you will consume it all I 'le burn Heaven and Earth I 'le burn within and without I 'le strike with Astonishment with Fear and Amazement with Madness and Destruction I 'le bring Plagues within and without until I have consumed all you my Enemies

God himself is the immediate Teacher of his People and yet they appoint their Ministers to speak in such a place c. Dial. 2. p. 66. Will. Pen saith this is a very Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 156. I answer Why may they not as well appoint persons before-hand as they do Meetings several days before This latter was made an Excuse for Will. Pens absence from this Meeting It is usual said a Friend of Will. Pens for him to appoint Meetings some dayes before engaging to be there and he must not break his promise c. But if this will not amount to a full Proof of my Charge then let me refer you to the Complaint of one that was no stranger to their practices And what meaneth saith he of the Quakers That certain persons are appointed to spend the whole time in Speaking in every Meeting and all the rest to come as Hearers neglecting the Gift in themselves only waiting upon their Lips Spirit of the Hat p. 29. 7. I accuse them for Intitling God to sleeveless Errands Of this I have given several Instances Dial. 1. pag. 27. which cannot be disproved 8. I charge them for refusing a publick Meeting to Debate the chief things in Difference between them and others Vnder pretence of being cautious of running themselves into Jeopardies See Dial. 3. pag. 88. Will. Pen. This is a Notorious Falshood Counterf Christ. pag. 45. Tho. Hicks That they did refuse I can prove by many Witnesses and that they excused themselves as before Tho. Priors Letter to Mr. Haworth will testifie His words were these It is expected that the Book stiled The Quakers Converted be the subject of the Dispute and also that equal Liberty be admitted on both sides And that the place be free from Disturbance and Molestation For we understand that some of the Magistrates have made Enquiry and are offended Therefore I find that my Friends are Cautious not to run themselves voluntarily into such Jeopardies on slight Invitations c. The Reasons why they desired the place to be free from Molestation was given in a second Letter viz. 1. That W. Haworth and his Company might seriously consider of it as not to draw and Invite others into Hazard and Danger 2. That they would be no means or Cause of Molestation directly or indirectly giving the Magistrates occasion either by too much noise aforehand or by Heat or Passion against us But still the Book Stiled the Quaker Converted must be the subject of the Debate Whereas the Meeting was propounded to Debate the chief things in Difference between them and others and the utmost Answer that as yet hath been given thereunto is this After the aforesaid Book hath been fully Examin'd and Discours'd Then if W. Haworth hath not Disputing enough he hath Liberty to propose other Questions in writing And if they be such Learned ones as may tend to Peoples Edification A A farther time may be granted to Debate them Thus Tho. Prior in his second Letter Moreover I did above a Year ago send six Questions to G. VVhitehead promising to meet him to Debate them in the most publick Place I could get but he would not accept thereof See Dial. 3. p. 86 87. 9. That they own the Scripture as far as it agrees to the Light in them See Dial. 1. pag. 66. Will. Pen. This is an arrant Forgery Reas against Ray. p. 160. Thomas Hicks This is before proved in their asserting the Scriptures to be given forth from the light within 10 Did the light within Create the Heavens and the Earth yea Is it the immediate object of Divine Worship yea William Pen. These Answers are Forgeries Reas against Rayl 158 159. Tho. Hicks See this at large proved under the Head of the light being God 11 That if those things objected against the Quakers in two former Dialogues be true that then Will. Pen hath confest that a Quaker is quite another thing than a Christian Dial. 3d. p. 1. William Pen. This is a forgery I never said nor confess'd any such thing in all my life Counterf Chr. p. 13. Tho. Hicks Will. Pen hath written these words He that is Tho. Hicks now to vindicate himself from such Injustice hath given us a second part wherein he hopes to make good what he hath charged upon us by Quotations out of our own Books which if faithfully done I shall freely acknowledge that a Quaker is quite another thing than a Christian Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl p. 2. 12 These words which I relate in VVill. Pens name viz. Were we what he represents us the severest plagues and Iudgements of God would be our portion Dial. 3d. p. 1 2. These I say he accounts a Forgery Counterf Chr p. 15. Let Will. Pens own book be read and you will find these VVords there viz. were we what he represents us in this very matter the severest plagues and judgements of the Eternal God we might justly expect to be our portion for ever Will. Pen Reas against Rayl p. 4. 13 VVill. Pen accuseth me with a down-right Forgery in giving this Answer in George Whitheads name viz. That the plagues and judgements of God will follow thee Dial. 2. p. 1. Reas against Rayling p. 163. The truth of this Answer see attested to under Mr. Iohn Gladmans hand Dial. 3d. p. 85. 14 That their owning Christ is no other than a meer Mystical Romance And that the light in them sees no necessity of a Mediator VVill. Pen. These are lyes and slanders Reas ag Rayl p. 154. Tho. Hicks They that deny Jesus Christ to be a distinct person without us are guilty of the first And they that maintain That God accepts not any who do not fulfill the Law and answer every demand of Justice can see no necessity of a Mediator 15 Another Lye Will. Pen doth accuse me of is this That the Quakers deny Christs visible coming and appearance in the world See his Reas ag rayl p. 154. where he refers you to Dial. 2d p 37 45. Be pleased to examine the pages referred unto by Will. Pen and then Judge The question there is this Whether Christ did not dwell amongst his Saints after another manner and more Visible than now he dwells in them To which Edward Burroughs return'd this Answer For thy word Visible he is not nor never was Visible to thee nor thy Generation c. Upon this I said That the Quaker denyes that Christ was ever visible to wicked men such as he esteemed the Querist to be c. See Dial. 2d p. 37. 16 That they account the Blood of Christ no more than the blood of a common Theif See Dial. 1. VVill. Pen. This is an ungodly Aspersion Reas ag Rayl p. 154. Tho. Hicks See this fully proved Dial. 2d p. 3 4. 17 That one of their friends bid her husband take another woman Dial. 2d p. 63. 18 That a Revelation hath been pretended to excuse the payment of a just Debt Dial. 1. 26.