Truth Vindicated AND The Lyars Refuge swept away Being an Answer to a Book set forth by THOMAS COLLIER called A Looking-glasse for QVAKERS and also to some particulars in a Book of his called A Dialogue c. Wherein the truth is cleared from those Slanders and Reproaches by him cast upon it and the Refuge of Lies swept away and upon tryal himself found guilty of many of those Evils which he hath falsely charged upon the INNOCENT Also an Answer to his Queries in the end of the Book called A Looking-glasse c. with some Queries returned to him to be answered Together with an Epistle to the people called Baptists with whom we sometimes fed on Husks But now are brought to the Fathers house where there is BREAD enough Published by us who love truth in the inward parts and are now called forth by the Lord to bear testimony against Deceit Unrighteousnesse and deeds of Darkness who have long wandered upon the barren mountains running from mountain to hill but now have heard the voyce of the good Shepherd and are brought to the true fold and known to this generation by the names of John Pitman Jasper Batt The lip of truth shall be established for ever But a lying tongue is but for a moment LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1658. Truth vindicated and the Lyars Refuge swept away THomas Collier a man long well known unto us who hath for some time profest himselfe a Minister of the Gospel or a Teacher of others saying that he is set for the defence thereof having published a Book which he calls A Dialogue between a Minister of the Gospel and an Inquiring Christian where in truth there was neither in which he undertakes to discuss the principles of the people called Quakers therein setting down several particulars as by them held and guilty of which they deny Neither hath he made any proof thereof but only said it which Book being answered by I. N. and Thomas Collier charged for uttering many Lies against the foresaid people and above fifty of them returned to him for a proof or to rest on his head untill the dreadfull day of account unlesse he timely repent Thereupon he hath published another Book which he calls A Looking-glass for Quakers in which he saith the truths asserted in that Dialogue are clearly proved and James Naylor and the Quakers are proved to be lyers and deceivers Now it is not the truths in that Dialogue if any there which he was called upon for a proof but the lies by him therein invented which yet remain unproved notwithstanding what is by him alleadged Now these Books coming to our view and by us examined and weighed and finding our selves concerned therein we being reputed by him under that name were pressed in spirit to publish this vindication on the Truths behalf which is by us owned and lies and lyars denyed But before we proceed further this is to be observed that we sent him a Letter dated the 19th day of the first moneth 1657. thereby acquainting him that such books we had seen published in his name expressing such particulars which we did declare in the name and fear of the Lord were not owned by us but denyed and the Author to be neither Minister of the Gospel nor Christian but a Lyar slanderer and false accuser And that if he did not disown the said books or confess that he had wronged the truth and us who own it or otherwise reasonably satisfie us in some short time either by word or writing we should as the Lord should direct and order publish our Innocency and some of the Authors wickednesse that so his Sheeps cloathing might no longer hide his wolvish nature Now there being a time and place agreed on and appointed by him and one of us for him to vindicate himself and prove the particulars before mentioned where was a meeting accordingly and where only four of those particulars debated Thomas Collier went away not mentioning any further or other time for debating the rest though it was then and still is by us denyed that what was then by him offered for proof of his Assertions to be any way valued for his purpose And now his Looking-glasse being his only Refuge that we know of which consists much of Lyes must be swept away unto the particulars whereof we are now come 1 That all our principles are delusions 2 That we hold not any principle of truth truly as it is in Jesus Now for proof of these particulars he saith that if that which follows be true then this is true and we may safely conclude that if that which follows be false then so must this That which follows is this that we forsake the true way decreed and ordered of God for the attaining of justification which is by faith in Christ crucified this is charged on the people called Quakers not one or some of them but the people called Quakers Now for proof hereof in his Dialogue he only says it but offers none In his Glasse he alledges James Nayler in his love to the Lost concerning justification where he uses these words That persons are so justified as they are sanctified and mortified and no farther And at other places he severall times expresses Mortification and Sanctification before Justification And at another place That by which the just lives is that by which the creature is justified And so T. C. sayes that it is James Naylers great work to make Sanctification Mortification and Justification to be one and Justification to depend on Sanctification and Mortification The work that we have in hand is not to vindicate persons but truth and if any one should forsake the true way decreed and ordered of God for the attaining of justification Is that a sufficient ground to say the people called Quakers do so Is there any one or more that hath set out any writing by appointment and signed in the name of the people called Quakers as T. C. and others did a writing in the name and by appointment of the Messengers of the Churches at Tiverton the 18th day of the 7th moneth wherein such a thing is declared as to forsake Christ the way to Justification then there might be some ground for such a charge but further the truth declared by James Nayler in this particular we own and he that with an impartial eye views his writing will never finde any such thing by him declared as T. C. falsly charges for J. N. saith that the wisdome of men in the fall finding these severall words in the Scripture hath in their imaginations run them into division and separated that which is in one and cannot be divided in the possession for it is one that worketh all these and that which sanctifies that mortifies and the same justifies and so his drift is not to make Justification to depend on Sanctification and Mortification but all on the just one and so
of the dead The life which is eternal with Christ we own witness according to the promise of Christ for him we witnesse living in us who was from everlasting and shall be to everlasting he who was the first and shall be the last in whose strength we stand and in whose power we witnesse victory over all unclean spirits and shall after we have suffered with him a while reign with him in life and glory for ever And as for the Resurrection of the dead we are so far from disowning of it that we are pressing hard towards the attaining of it Yea the resurrection of the just and unjust do we own for if our hope were onely in this life we were of all men most miserable But we are not of those that say how are the dead raised and with what bodies do they come But on the good will and pleasure of the Lord do we wait who giveth a body as it pleaseth him and to every seed his own body And if any are yet asking what body it is that shall arise we answer in the words of Paul 1 Cor. 15.36 c. Thou foole that which thou sowest is not quickned except it dye c. And so all busie lying wicked persons shall one day know that that day wch wil be to us a day of glory and rejoycing even the day of the Resurrection shall be to them a day of shame misery and lamentation He that hath an eare to hear let him heare And so these must rest on Thomas Collier for lyes and the people called Quakers are acquitted Page 6. Another charge which he layes on us is That notwithstanding all this we own our selves to be perfect and free from sin entered into a state of Justification not by faith in Christ but by their own righteousnesse attained by taking heed to the Light within and passing through the spirit of burning as they say viz. of quaking fits c. This he affirms in his Dialogue and being put to his proof for there he offers none In his Glasse he saith This is a truth so apparent that he that runs may read in every Quakers mouth Yet it seems this must be proved too though it be the common Language in discourse and in print c. Yea we exepct proof for we deny it and charge thee to be a lyar and thy testimony is not to be received Now for proof he saith But this may easily be discerned in Nayler concerning perfection Pag. 33. 40 41. is this a proof sufficient to prove what is asserted to mention such a place when there is nothing there tending to the proof of any part of it But he further alleadges Ja. Naylors answer to his Book page 73. in these words Did ever Minister of Christ preach against perfection as thou dost who sayest that perfection is not attainable here Is this any thing at all to prove what is asserted And further at the meeting at Glastonbury before mentioned this particular being one of the four then debated T. C. then said That by every Quaker he did not mean every particular of them buâ— the generality of them or every one that he had discourst withall And being urged to name some particulars he answered he did not remember where he had discourst with any about that particular He was then asked whether he had not discourst with some at Bristoll then named to him he confessed he had It was then demanded whether they affirmed any such thing to him that they were perfect he answered that he did not remember whether they did at all discourse about that particular and so out of his own mouth is proved the lyar How doth T.C. forget himselfe to say It 's so apparent that he that runs may read in every Quakers mouth and that it 's the common Language in discourse and in print c. And thence would infer a kinde of impudency in the people called Quakers to deny it or demand proof for it Surely if those particulars before asserted by him were so evident in every Quakers mouth and the common Language in discourse and print he might well have produced some particulars for instance Is it possible that there can be any almost of his own followers so blinde as not to see his lying and impudency besides his absurdity to bring the Answer to his Book to prove what he had said therein So that if his Book had not been answered it seems his proof had yet been wanting although what is there alleadged serves not at all to his purpose Let all who have any modesty blush at such wickedness and folly And we further say that perfection we own witnesse and presse after forgetting that which is behinde Pressing hard forwards even towards the marke for the price of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus believing that he which hath begun the worke will in his owne time finish it in us And all those who with us in faithfulnesse and patience wait for it we owning obeying and following the light of the world the gift of God which is perfect And they who walke in the light as he is in the light have fellowship with us and know his blood cleansing from all sin For into the new Ierusalem shall nothing that is unclean ever enter and they who are by the Lord foreknown are predestinated to be conformable to the image of his Son that as he is even so they should be in this present world who was perfect and left us a perfect example and whose prayer was that they may be made perfect in one And when he ascended on high he gave severall gifts but all to this end for the perfecting of the Saints And for this the Ministers of Christ laboured to present every man perfect in Christ Jesus and onely and alone in him do we own witnesse and presse after it And of this severall of the Saints in Scripture came to be witnesses even to be cleansed washed and sanctified made free from sin and so servants unto righteousnesse and had their fruit unto holinesse and the end everlasting life and the way is but one and so the charge remains false Another of his Lies charged on us is that we ovvn neither Salvation nor Damnation of any person but of the Light within This he affirms in his Diaglogue and for proof brings J. Naylers Love to the Lost concerning Judgement where he produces these words Iudgement passeth upon all that 's in the Creature contrary to the life of God and his judgement must passe upon all that is unrighteous and they live in that which is for judgement fire and condemnation And T.C. saith It were well for evill persons if nothing were for judgment and fire but evill principles and practices c. What evidence is this to prove that the people called Quakers own neither Salvation nor Damnation of any person which is affirmed in both his Books Is there any thing in these words tending
to such a purpose because I. N. saith Iudgement passeth upon all that is in the creature contrary to the life of God and his judgement must passe upon all that is unrighteous and they live in that which is for fire and condemnation Doth therefore he or the people called Quakers deny the Salvation or Damnation of persons If in this T. C. had been faithfull to I. N. he might have found in the same Book concerning Judgement speaking of the wicked with that which you hate shall you be condemned with other vvords to that purpose And in the same Book concerning the Resurrection he thus saith Think of this you wicked workers who live and dye in your sins and yet please your selves with talking of the Resurrection c. A wofull day will it be unto you who are found in your sins and in love of the world you prophane Esaus and cursed Nimrods c You hypocrites who professe God in words but in works deny him c. A terrible day will this be to you who dye in your sins And speaking of the children of Light he saith That in him we might be found at that day in whom we looke for a better resurrection which did we not see to be an unmeasurable reward we have an opportunity to return c. And if our hope were onely in this life we were of all men most miserable and many other words to the same purpose And now that T. C. or any other should be so impudent as to charge the people called Quakers for owning neither Salvation nor Damnation of any person and be so blinde to produce J. N. for a witnesse who so evidently declares that he owns both And this further we say A day we own wherein every man shall receive a due reward according to their works done in the body whether good or evill Even in that day which God hath appointed to judge the world in righteousness when the wicked shall not be able to stand in judgement nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous Yea a day when all that are in the graves shall hear the voyce of the Son of God and shall come forth they that have done good to the resurrection of life and they that have done evill unto the resurrection of condemnation when a finall separation shall be witnessed and each receive his sentence Come ye blessed go ye cursed from which sentence there shall be no appeal nor flying from the execution thereof Oh consider this ye who are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity having abominations reigning in you and iniquity apparently written in your forheads Ye who now make it a light thing even to lead the innocent with lies slanders reproaches verily in that day shall your hands grow weak which now are strengthened one by another and your faces gather palenesse which now cannot blush Then shall all false coverings be ript off and all appear as they are In vain shall it then be for such to say Lord Lord we have preacht and baptized in thy name c. Nay hear your sentence Depart you workers of iniquity into everlasting fire c. Another lye by him charged upon us is That our principles are but the pinciples of the old Ranters vvhich are out of date revived and brought into credit again by a new dresse c. This he affirms in his Dialogue vvithout mentioning any proof And in his Glasse for a proof he saith That this is true I need not prove in this place Any that know the principles of the Ranters may easily discern it The Ranters would have no Christ but within no Scripture to be a rule no Ordinances no Law but their Lust no heaven nor glory but here no sin but what men fancied to be so no condemnation but in the consciences of ignorant ones c. And what the Quakers is more or lesse let their own consciences judge onely they smooth it over with an outward austere carriage before men but within are full of pride filthinesse abhominations which by degrees break forth witness Naylers Exaltation in the West Here is the charge and the proof of it but we are confident he that is svvayed by the least spark of honesty vvill not finde us guilty on this evidence He saith That this is true I need not prove had he said I cannot prove he had spoken the truth although to confesse himself a lyar and false accuser for envy and subtelty it selfe can never prove it and it 's very like if he had any evidence he would produce it but at last he saith Witness Naylers Exaltation in the West Let the Reader a little consider when this time was that he speaks of it was not untill about the ninth moneth in the yeare 1656. And I. N. had answered the Dialogue wherein this Charge vvas layd in the fifth moneth before and yet novv no evidence produced for proof of this particular but that vvhich he calls Naylors Exaltation in the West So it 's clear the charge vvas laid and continued about four moneths vvithout any evidence and as its likely if this Exaltation as he calls it had not been he had yet remained vvithout proof We further ansvver as to the particular vvhich he calls J. Naylers Exaltation in the West it 's sufficiently known to many that that action vvas not at all ovvned by those vvho profest and lived in the Truth and vvere called Quakers vvhich may more at large appear by George Bishops Book published in ansvver to Ralph Farmer But mark these Principles of the Ranters vvhich he saith are the principles of the Quakers One is The Ranters would have no Christ but within which we utterly deny and what we own and witnesse concerning Christ vve have already demonstrated Even he it is that vve bear testimony unto who fills all things and preached himselfe the light of the world which lighteth every man that cometh into the world vvho is the savation of all those vvho believe in obey and follovv him and the condemnation of all such vvho reject and disobey him Another of the Ranters Principles as he saith is No Scripture to be a rule We say that vvhich the Scriptures declares vvas the guide and rule of Saints vve ovvn and vvitnesse and the Scriptures of truth to be given forth by that Spirit vvhich could not erre Another No Ordinances The Ordinances of Christ we ovvn One Lord one Faith one Baptisme and his Crosse ordained by him vve daily witnesse which crucifies us to the world and the world unto us and its the great power of God to salvation Another is No Law but their Lust Thomas Colliers own principles as manifested by his practice and confession appears more like the Ranters then ours For the grace of God which hath appeared to all men hath taught us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live godlily soberly in this present world Now T. C. besides those many lyes and false accusations
blood of Christ and they that discern not this body eat and drink their own damnation he that hath an eare to hear let him hear and under his Banner we fight against the Beast false Prophet Deceivers and all the Nations of the world now united together against him Our weapons being not carnall but spirituall mighty through God to the casting down of strong holds and high imaginations whose daily Crosse we witness to be the great power of God to salvation who lives and dwels in us and whose peace none can ever take from us and who shall dash his enemies in pieces and grinde them to powder before whom Nobles doth bow and Kings cast down their Crowns whose scepter is a scepter of righteousnesse and of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end unto whom be glory for ever and ever And this is the truth spoken from our hearts the Lord bearing us witnesse and this is the true way decreed by God for attaining of justification which we have seen and heard and are witnesses of and is no principle of delusion but held by us truly as it is in Jesus according to the Scriptures of truth and so Thomas Collier hath wronged the innocent for which he must account Another of the particulars falsly charged on us is that we have set up another way for the attaining of Justification that is by Quaking c. This is onely affirmed in his Dialogue but no proof mentioned and in his Glasse he endeavours thus to prove it that this is true is evident and apparent in that they have affirmed that their Quaking is the spirit of burning through which all must passe to enter into Righteousnesse and Justification c. Let the Reader minde this proof he saith it is evident and apparent by what evidence If persons will take an impudent false affirmation for proof then it is evident and apparent but not otherwise by what is produced he saith they have affirmed it who is it what particular person we and many others deny it and own no other way but what we have already declared and it 's very likely if he had heard such a thing from any particular person he would have mentioned it in his Dialogue or his Glasse and so he appeals to the understanding for judgment but we say he that judges this a proof to say they have affirmed it is void of understanding And if T. C. had not been blinded with envy arrogancy and impudency he would rather have confest his lye then have persisted in his obstinacy but at last he calls I. N. to justifie this in his answer to the Dialogue Now this must be granted that the Dialogue was published before there could be an answer to it and the charge was laid in the Dialogue and so laid without proof or cause And can any one in reason take J. Naylers Book for a witnesse when in that Book he returns this to be one of the Lyes charged by T. C. on the people called Quakers and no such words in his Book as to say that the Quakers have set up another way to attain Justification by that is by quaking c. He alledges the 15 page but there is no such thing affirmed This he saith that all that do declare the way they came to God witnesse quaking or trembling and all that knew the word of God trembled at it Do he here say that the Quakers have set up quaking as a way to attain Justification T. C. might blush at such impudency if he had not got a forehead that could not Another lye by T. C charged on us is that we have outed Christ in the great work of justification and no lesse then trample under foot the blood of the covenant counting it an unholy thing or at least too unholy to look to it or expect justification by it this he affirms in his Dialogue Now in his Glasse to prove it he saith if the preaching of it be Stories and Blasphemy this is a trampling of it under foot c. And if Sanctification and Mortification be the fulfilling of the Law and the creatures justification then the blood of Christ is laid aside For answer we say that T. C. and such as he makes the preaching of it a story If any in taking upon them to preach Justification by the blood of Christ to other while abominations reign in their own souls and are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity as is exprest in Tiverton writing before mentioned and as for Sanctification and Mortification to be the fulfilling of the Law and the Creatures justification is not proved by T. C. that the people called Quakers own any such thing but we say such as imagine to themselves a Justification without Sanctification and Mortification shall be scattered in their imaginations being no other but filthy Dreamers deceivers and being deceived and are blinde leaders of the blinde and shall all fall into the pit together Now consider what greater Agents can the Devil have for his Kingdome then such who preach to others or expect to themselves Justification without Sanctification and Mortification taking and what in them lies giving liberty to themselves and others to live in lust but the grace we own and witnesse teacheth us to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and so Justification Sanctification and Mortification is all the work of God by Christ and none may conclude they have one without all Faith without works being dead As for our owning the blood of Christ we refer it to what we have said in our answ to the first particular But T.C. goes on in his wickedness adding sin to sin lye to lye and saith pa. 3. it further appears in that all that will own them must deny all their faith and justification in Christ crucified Verily except thou repent God will smite thee thou lying tongue he will destroy thee for ever he will take thee away and pluck thee from thy dwelling place and root thee out of the land of the living and give thee thy portion with lyars who hast herein out-stript all that have gone before thee that have come to our view If thou canst produce one example that ever any were invited to own or refused to be owned by us on any such termes or let shame and confusion cover thee for ever But he is still running on in his lying false accusing like the horse into the battel saying hence it is they judg and condemn all but themselves because they have found out another righteousness So that indeed and in truth they account the blood of the Covenant too unholy for them to look at for justification neither do they ever teach remission of sins by faith in the blood of Jesus Very many people can in this bear testimony against thee and surely we say didst thou know that blood and faith in it thou wouldst witnesse victory over and cleansing from those abominable lies Now let any rational
to discover the vanity of such a people who would conceit a possession of justification without sanctification or mortification like the Authors of that Writing from Tiverton who say they are joyned to the Lord and yet confesses abominations reigning in their souls drawing iniquity with cords of vanity A light spirit slavish fear mockers of God living short of the true sight and sense of Gods Majesty a wretched worldly spirit coldnesse and deadnesse on their souls formality in holy duties indifferency Laodicean spirit without the sense of the work and true travail of soul as in that writing with more such fruits is exprest Now J. N. clearly lays the work of justification sanctification and mortification on Gods righteousnesse saying it is the work of God wrought by Christ and they who had received the Spirit were called to all these by faith in his blood And in what he writes concerning Redemption in the same Book he saith All who knows the redemption of Christ by his precious blood c. And in another place Who hath redeemed us to God by his blood and so it 's clear by his words as he expresseth them without T. Colliers Expositions that he lays the work on Gods righteousness wrought by Christ and why should T. C. conclude a meaning from some of his words contrary to his own expressions but the thing is very probable that he had laid this charge from his own imagination before he had ever seen J. Naylers Love to the Lost Another testimony he offers for proof of this particular is what himself heard as he saith at a meeting of ours at a place called Himmington but it 's like it was intended Limmington where he and another as he saith taking occasion to hold forth Christ amongst them they heard with patience untill they came to hold forth justification through his blood Then their Teacher cryed out blasphemy and said that they spake stories to the people and denyed the spirit by which they spake There coming to the meeting and speaking there of justification by the blood of Christ is confest and their preaching of that which they knew not might well be called stories but that our friend Christopher Holder called Justification through the blood of Christ Stories or Blasphemy is utterly denyed as severall do witness who were then present and do affirm that our friend said he owned the words but their spirit he denyed for them to talk of that which they were ignorant of might well be called Stories the Prophet saith Jer. 5.2 Though they say the Lord liveth surely they swear falsly Dare any say the Prophet denyed the Lord lived Now for such whose abominations reign are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity c. as T. C. confest of himself since that time witnesse Tiverton writing We say for such to take upon them to preach Justification through the blood of Christ Their testimony is by the truth in us denyed and may well be called stories they blasphemers and the Lord will say to such what have you to do to take my words into your mouths And further we know that Christopher Holder at that time and believe yet doth if living own no other way for justification but Christ crucified by faith in his blood as the Scriptures declare and so both those which T. C. produces as witnesses for him are found bearing testimony against him and so the two first particulars and this which follows are found false We also say that if both those before produced by T. C. for evidence had declared the thing asserted which is utterly denyed yet could no rational unprejudiced man take them for sufficient evidence to prove the people called Quakers hold such principles And further we do declare for our selves and that which is also assented unto by the people called Quakers that this we own and witnesse Jesus Christ is come a light into the world that all men through him might believe and is the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world And whosoever follows him shall not abide in darknesse but shall have the light of life This is he who is the way to the Father and none can come to the Father but by him even he who was in the beginning before all things and by whom all things were made even he that was dead but is now alive and lives for evermore who is made unto the Saints sanctification and righteousness as well as justification and redemption and saves his people from their sins And they who are made witnesses of him know him dwelling in them and for that end made manifest to destroy the works of the Devill And all those who make a profession of his name and say he is their Redeemer Saviour or Justifier and have abominations reigning in their souls Iniquities written in their fore-heads and are drawing it with cords of vanity are Lyars and Deceivers for none can know him a Justifier but they who know him a Sanctifier and a Mortifier and whosoever knows his salvation from condemnation must know his salvation from sin This is that Christ we bear record unto the seed of the woman that bruises the Serpent head whose day Abraham saw and was the Rock that followed Israel of whom they drank The same the Prophets prophecyed of who was born of the Virgin in the City of David preached himselfe the light of the world the way to the Father was hated persecuted mocked reviled and delivered to be crucified by those who profest they were in expectation of his coming yet chose a Murtherer before him This is he who is the living bread that came down from heaven whose flesh is meat indeed and whose blood is drinke indeed and whereof whosoever doth not eat and drink have no life in them He that can receive it let him who was a man of sorrows acquainted with griefs his visage more marred then any mans of whom many were and are astonished was crowned with thorns crucified between Theeves was buried rose again and ascended far above all heavens and fills all things being glorified with the Father with the glory which he had with him before the world was the same to day as yesterday and for evermore who makes intercession for the Saints and is the Mediator of the New Testament even the man Christ Jesus and he that hath seen him hath seen the father also through whose blood we are justified and are redeemed from our former vain conversation and witnesse remission of sins who hath baptized us with the holy Spirit and is our righteousnesse with whom we have fellowship and with the Saints in light And they that walk in the light as he is in the light have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin who though we are many are one bread for the bread that we break is the Communion of the body of Christ and the cup that we drink is the Communion of the
and Prophets who stole the words c. against whom the true Ministers recorded in the Scriptures were sent by the Lord to bear witnesse and the same is witnessed in this day of the Lord For on him do we wait to know his will and receive his counsell and as he commands we obey and when we have received a word from him and a command to utter it we dare not dispute but obey and speak as the spirit gives utterance and untill then we dare not but be silent for such as runs and the Lord sends not shall not profit the hearers and so not to take a Message that another hath received and run with it when the Lord never commanded us And this also we say the baptisme of Christ we have received and the communion of his body we partake and do discern it even one Lord one Faith one Baptisme And if he shall command us to go into the water and to eate bread and drink wine together we shall be obedient but to do it our selves or administer it to others because some of the Saints did it we dare not unlesse we are commanded of the Lord for such as medled with the things of God and not commanded by him nor as he commanded though some of them might have good intentions in what they did yet the Lord shewed his high displeasure on them by severe punishments and sending his faithfull servants to testifie against them witnesse Nadab and Abihu the men of Bethshemesh Vzza Saul and the false Prophets who stole the words from their neighbour and run when the Lord never sent them And therefore let all such as do things by imitation of the Saints in Scripture or of others who obeyed the commands of God and have not received the like authority as they had feare and tremble and take warning in time lest the Lord make them examples of his wrath and indignation as he hath done others before Now let no envious cavilling or ignorant person slander us and say we deny the Scripture for of the truth thereof are we witnesses And also of the spirit of truth which gave them forth which was and is the Saints guide and leader and dearly do we owne them and this is the truth from our hearts Page 4. Another of his lies charged upon us is That we disown the coming of Christ from heaven And for proof of this he brings E. B. in his Book called The true faith of the Gospel wherein he saith The very Christ of God is within us we dare not deny him c. Now T. C. saith If the very Christ of God be within them he cannot come from heaven E. B. further saying they that are led by the spirit of Delusion shall answer the rest of thy Query by which saith T. C. he gives to understand that those that owns the being in and coming of Christ from heaven and looks for him are led by a spirit of Delusion So that they do not only condemn the generation of the just c. but the Saints of God in the primitive dayes How is this man hasting to fill up his measure of lies and slanders against the innocent Doth E. B. because he saith The very Christ of God is within us deny his coming from heaven Might it not rather have been from thence concluded that he witnessed his coming But T. C. is found adding three lies instead of clearing himselfe of one for he saith that E. B. gives to understand that those that own the being in and coming of Christ from heaven and look for him are led by a spirit of Delusion 2 That we condemn the generation of the just that are now waiting for the Son from heaven 3 And the Saints and servants of God in the Primitive dayes He further saith that it is no part of Naylers Creed in his Love to the Lost the Ascention Intercession and coming of Christ observe Naylers Creed a scoffing vain light spirit the Scripture in him and such like is fulfilled The leaders of the people cause them to erre by their lies and their lightnesse but if J. N. hath not a word of it in that Book is it not blinde impudency therefore to say the people called Quakers deny it And further we answer This is he whom we beare testimony unto who fills all things he that came down from heaven even the Son of man which is in heaven and dwels in us as he did in the Saints in the Primitive dayes whom we now own and witnesse to be our King and Law-giver and are so far from condemning them that we give our testimony with them and leave it to the understanding unprejudiced Reader to judge whether T. C. by saying that Christ was not in the Saints as he did lately at Glastonbury before many witnesses be not found condemning the Saints in the Primitive dayes who said that Christ was in them as Paul and others And also the generation of the just now who are witnesses of his being in them and obedient to his commands and so what he is charging us upon true tryall he is found guilty himself Another of his Lies by him charged on us is That we disown the kingdome of Christ which is the great and blessed promise of the Gospel the faith and hope of Saints for proof hereof he saith If the very Christ be in them he is not in heaven and that Naylor in his Salutation to the seed of God contemptably saith you observe dayes and years persons and forms loe here and loe there and the time and manner of his Reign you are jangling abouts and what a one he shall be all which as T.C. saith declares that he accounts the Reign of Christ so much witnessed in Scripture c. to be but jangling and conceits Now mark the insufficiency absurdity and falsnesse of this proâ—… as if E. B. because he saith the very Christ of God is in us the â—…ore he disowns his kingdome and denies his being in heaveâ—… Might he not as well charge the same on Paul who saith Christ lives in me And Christ himselfe because he useth these words I in them c. in his prayer for the Saints John 17. And if the Saints faith hope be according to Christs prayer who is it that disowns denies the coming and kingdom of Christ according to their faith and hope either E. B. and the people called Quakers who witness Christs being in them according to his prayer promise or T.C. who denies Christs being in the Saints contrary to both He further alleadgeth that J. N. saith you observe dayes and years c. as before exprest We say as before may not T. C. as well charge Paul nay Christ himselfe for disowning his Kingdome and denying his coming whose words were to the same purpose We further answer that this is the King who reigns in righteousnesse and rules in judgement and for such who live in wickednesse have abominations reigning
the world as the Scriptures declare him or thou wilt be deceived in the day of tryal when thou lookest for salvation by him We further say we own him as the Scriptures testifie of him even the Light of the world the way to the Father the life 's the truth the mighty power of God He further goes on page 14. saying Read your confusion you blinde Quakers The Apostle saith he had not attained neither was he perfect c. We say we presse towards the mark for the price of our high calling of God in Christ Jesus And let as many as be perfect be thus minded And if Paul had attained Christ dost thou say he had not attained perfection For Christ is perfect and he saith Let as many as be perfect c. Was not he himselfe one of those many and so we say we have attained to that which is perfect and are pressing forward And mayest not thou as well charge Paul for blindnesse and confusion as we who owned and witnessed perfection and yet was pressing forward Again he saith Prove that ever any of the Saints in Scripture did like you Quakers say they were perfect here any otherwise then by faith in Christ which we own and witnesse We say do wee own it otherwise then by saith in Christ and in this faith do wee witnesse victory over sin and the World but for thee to say which we own and witness what doth it profit for this that know O vaine man that faith without workes is dead now what works or fruites doth thy faith produce who art Drawing Inquity with Cords of vanity and whose Abhominations are reigning in thee c. as wittnesse Tiverton writing what are these but fruites of Sodome and Clusters of Gomorrah therefore cease thy profession of faith untill it produce better fruits but thou thy selfe wilt own some were perfect in the Scripture why then dost thou bid us prove it that is sincere upright walking with God c. wee say wee own it no otherwise but according to the Scriptures for no workers of Inquity can stand in his presence nor walke with him now from this perfection thou art far off who while thou pretendest to wait for the Counsell of the Lord Confessest thou art Drawing Iniquity with Cords of vanity art Lukewarme formall in holy Dutyes this is far from Sincerity and uprightness pag. 15 Thou farther sayst All that Do indeed Quake and tremble at the word of the Lord will quake tremble at the Delusions of these poore blind deluded people that are deceiving and deceived here the Deceiver is talking of Deceiving and being deceived Wee say let the Hypocrite first pull the Beam out of his own Eye before hee meddle with a mote in anothers thou sayest thou knowest the Letter of Scripture is the Rule of Saints and the Spirit the Guide to that Rule wee say the Letter kills but the Spirit gives life that which the Scripture declares to be the Saints guid Rule and Leader wee own and have formerly declared but what guide and rule dost thou walke by as thy practise and Confession declare is it not the Prince of Darknesse and his Laws therefore cease talking of the Saints Rule and guide while thou art thus Ignorant of it and walking Contrary to it And so now thou concludest thy Lyes Lightness scoffes Reproaches and Slanders saying I say no more but leave them to the Lord whom I earnestly desire in mercie to looke upon them c. wee say let him that mentions the name of God depart from Iniquity for the prayers of the wicked are an abhomination to the Lord and if the Lord will not heare them that regard Iniquity in their hearts shall such be heard whose Iniquities are apparently written in their Foreheads and are Drawing of it with Cords of vanity wee farther say with the Lord wee rest in his armes are wee preserved from the wicked who bend their bowes shoot out their arrowes even bitter words yea in vaine do they plott and Imagin mischiefe their Snare is broken and wee are escaped and the Mischiefe which they causelessly devised against the Innocent is fallen upon their own heads glory to the Lord for ever As for that which hee calls Naylors exaltation in the west wee refer as formerly to George Bishops Booke in Answer to Ralph Farmer intitled the throne of truth exalted And thus have wee brought this Glass to the Light wherein whosoever impartially views it may easily observe what it represents and is contained in it it Beares the Image of the Prince of darknesse and containes many absurdities contradictions Lyes slanders and reproaches yet affirmed and published with as much impudency as falsness as if the Author neither feared God nor regarded man so this Day the Scripture is fullfilled in our Eyes and Eares that the Enemies of God have consulted together with one consent and are confederate against the Lord the tabernacles of Edom and the Ishmaelites of Moab and the Hagarius Geball and Amon and Amalick the Philistians with the inhabitants of Tyre The Lord having now appeared in great Love power and Magesty to gather a remnant out off and from all kindreds tongues Nations and families of the Earth to beare Testimony against all the unrighteous Deeds of the World all Nations kinreds formes sects and professions are now consulting and taking counsell together against this Remenant and are drawing up their forces against the holy City Ashur also is joyned with them hee that hath an eare to heare let him heare but this Mount Sion can never be moved for God is in the midest of her and though her gates stand upon by Day yet no uncleane thing can ever enter therein neither any that worketh abhomination or that loveth maketh a lye but only they whose names are written in the Lambs booke of life And therefore why do the heathen rage and the people imagine Mischiefe for ye shall bee slain all the sort of you as a broken wall and a sa tottering sence shall ye be whose fall comes suddenly without remedy for he that sits in the heavens laughs yea the Lord hath you exceedingly in derision hee hath set his King upon his holy hill of Sion Who doth and shall reigne till all his Enimies be made his foot stool the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it A few words in Answer to Thomas Colliers Queries Query 1. Whether ever the Prophets Christ or the Apostles did teach a Doctrin as you have amongst you viz to look to the Light within for salvation but rather to Jesus Christ without and what he had done for finners without them Act. 13.38.39 and 16.31 Answ We answer Moses directed to the Word nigh in the heart and in the mouth which Paul saith was Christ and if in the heart then within and Paul saith that this was the Mistery that God would make known to the Gentiles Christ in us the hope of glory and Christ himselfe saith except