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A51255 A fuller discovery of the dangerous principles and lying spirit of the people called Quakers made manifest in George Whitehead, John Whitehead and George Fox the younger, in their book against Iohn Horne and Thomas Moore of Lin Regis in Northfolk / written by the said Thomas Moore and Iohn Horne for the fuller satifaction of all such as desire to be further satisfied about the evil and erroniousnesse of the said people called Quakers. Moore, Thomas, Junior.; Horn, John, 1614-1676. 1660 (1660) Wing M2602; ESTC R43465 224,725 192

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