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A10168 The first part of Protestants proofes, for Catholikes religion and recusancy Taken only from the vvritings, of such Protestant doctors and diuines of England, as haue beene published in the raigne of his Majesty ouer this kingdome. Broughton, Richard. 1607 (1607) STC 20448; ESTC S115460 32,897 40

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