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A77292 Dr Durie's defence of the present ministry, being compared with the gospel and gospel ministry, turnes into smoke, and vanisheth As is made to appear in the ensuing treatise, by a witnesse of the gospel, John Braine. Brayne, John. 1649 (1649) Wing B4322A; ESTC R231104 35,215 40

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