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A77735 A brief ansvver to obiections of all sorts, against Presbyterian chvrches and their government. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1650 (1650) Wing B528; Thomason E620_11; ESTC R206382 29,802 35

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the_o church_n mat._n 18.15_o 16_o 17._o that_o be_v the_o eldership_n for_o say_v the_o lord_n to_o moses_n speak_v unto_o all_o the_o congregation_n than_o he_o call_v the_o elder_n and_o speak_v unto_o they_o exodus_fw-la 12.21_o which_o be_v call_v the_o assembly_n of_o elder_n distinct_a from_o the_o congregation_n psa_n 107.32_o or_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o elder_n act_n 22.5_o neither_o can_v any_o two_o or_o three_o saint_n be_v this_o church_n for_o then_o the_o offendor_n and_o the_o offend_a brethren_n be_v this_o church_n but_o that_o they_o be_v not_o nor_o one_o or_o two_o more_o for_o it_o be_v the_o three_o gradation_n neither_o be_v it_o the_o whole_a congregation_n here_o mean_v for_o than_o if_o any_o two_o or_o three_o do_v but_o agree_v about_o bind_v &_o lose_v it_o shall_v be_v ratify_v in_o heaven_n although_o all_o the_o rest_n be_v against_o it_o but_o last_o it_o be_v mean_v her_o officer_n who_o have_v the_o key_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v commit_v unto_o 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