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my_o come_n to_o the_o palais_n royal_a to_o present_v this_o answer_n to_o my_o lady_n i_o be_v by_o and_o by_o after_o conduct_v by_o my_o lord_n from_o his_o own_o lodgin_n to_o d._n cousin_n his_o chamber_n where_o i_o meet_v my_o lady_n with_o another_o protestant_a gentleman_n after_o the_o common_a salute_n of_o civility_n occasion_n be_v give_v i_o i_o tell_v he_o the_o cause_n of_o my_o come_n then_o to_o the_o palais_n royal_a be_v to_o bring_v my_o lady_n a_o answer_n which_o some_o three_o or_o four_o day_n afore_o she_o have_v desire_v of_o i_o to_o some_o authority_n of_o s._n austin_n which_o &c._n &c._n the_o doctor_n reply_v he_o know_v not_o what_o she_o have_v do_v and_o that_o whatsoever_o it_o be_v she_o have_v do_v it_o of_o herself_o etc._n etc._n after_o some_o few_o word_n have_v pass_v between_o we_o about_o that_o subject_n i_o begin_v with_o both_o their_o leaf_n to_o read_v my_o paper_n but_o i_o have_v scarce_o end_v the_o first_o §_o but_o the_o minister_n interrupt_v i_o say_v my_o lady_n may_v read_v your_o answer_n another_o time_n if_o you_o have_v any_o thing_n to_o say_v against_o our_o doctrine_n you_o may_v say_v it_o that_o which_o we_o believe_v be_v deliur_v by_o gelasius_n and_o theodoret_n two_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o church_n the_o rest_n do_v not_o disagre_a from_o they_o and_o they_o agree_v with_o we_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v theodoret._n 9_o i_o reply_v first_o that_o i_o come_v not_o to_o dispute_v about_o the_o meaning_n of_o theodoret_n and_o gelasius_n but_o to_o satisfy_v my_o lady_n concern_v s._n austin_n saying_n which_o she_o have_v send_v i_o as_o make_v against_o our_o catholic_n doctrine_n therefore_o i_o desire_v leave_v to_o read_v what_o i_o have_v make_v ready_a for_o that_o purpose_n here_o the_o doctor_n cry_v out_o as_o before_o my_o lady_n may_v read_v you_o answer_v another_o time_n etc._n etc._n and_o then_o my_o lady_n show_v a_o desire_n that_o it_o may_v be_v so_o and_o say_v she_o will_v read_v my_o paper_n afterwards_o and_o will_v i_o to_o answer_v to_o theodoret_n and_o gelasius_n 10._o hereupon_o i_o reply_v to_o the_o doctor_n and_o say_v first_o gelasius_n be_v not_o the_o man_n you_o take_v he_o to_o be_v who_o be_v he_o then_o say_v the_o doctor_n not_o gelasius_n the_o pope_n say_v i_o neither_o do_v he_o whosoever_o he_o be_v make_v any_o thing_n against_o we_o as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o bellarmine_n here_o the_o doctor_n utter_v against_o bellarmine_n some_o scurrilous_a language_n of_o which_o heretical_a mouth_n be_v always_o full_a but_o i_o take_v little_a notice_n of_o it_o and_o go_v on_o say_v and_o for_o theodoret_n it_o be_v evident_a his_o meaning_n be_v that_o in_o the_o eucharist_n the_o mystical_a sign_n that_o be_v the_o otward_a form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n after_o consecration_n remain_v in_o their_o own_o proper_a nature_n figure_n and_o form_n as_o before_o and_o not_o that_o they_o remain_v in_o the_o same_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n wherein_o they_o do_v inhere_o before_o consecration_n 11._o the_o doctor_n here_o repeat_v with_o some_o vehemency_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o their_o substance_n in_o their_o substance_n in_o their_o former_a substance_n i_o answer_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nature_n essence_n yea_o &_o substance_n do_v not_o only_o and_o always_o signify_v substance_n as_o it_o be_v divide_v against_o accident_n but_o also_o rhe_n true_a nature_n and_o essence_n of_o every_o thing_n as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v which_o word_n theodoret_n do_v also_o use_v in_o the_o same_o place_n upon_o the_o same_o occasion_n and_o in_o the_o same_o sense_n and_o you_o will_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o acccident_n have_v a_o intrinsical_a nature_n and_o essence_n proper_a to_o themselves_o and_o real_o distinct_a from_o the_o substance_n in_o which_o they_o do_v natural_o inhere_o 12._o here_o the_o doctor_n to_o show_v what_o a_o deep_a physopher_n he_o be_v cry_v out_o with_o a_o repetition_n accidentis_fw-la est_fw-la inesse_fw-la accidentis_fw-la est_fw-la inesse_fw-la what_o then_o say_v i_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o accident_n have_v a_o accidental_a essence_n distinct_a from_o the_o nature_n &_o essence_n of_o the_o substance_n wherein_o they_o in_o here_o how_o then_o do_v this_o accidentis_fw-la est_fw-la inesse_fw-la prove_v that_o theodoret_n speak_v not_o of_o the_o proper_a nature_n &_o essence_n of_o the_o accident_n when_o he_o say_v the_o mystical_a sign_n remain_v in_o their_o former_a nature_n etc._n etc._n 13._o here_o that_o i_o may_v be_v permit_v to_o read_v some_o authority_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n which_o i_o have_v make_v ready_a to_o show_v my_o lady_n the_o sense_n of_o orthodox_n antiquity_n i_o say_v to_o the_o doctor_n we_o contend_v here_o about_o the_o meaning_n of_o theodoret_n the_o argument_n which_o even_o now_o you_o make_v for_o your_o doctrine_n gelasius_n and_o theodoret_n teach_v this_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n do_v not_o dissent_v from_o they_o ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o argument_n i_o say_v may_v be_v easy_o turn_v against_o you_o with_o much_o more_o efficacy_n but_o let_v we_o ex_fw-la dato_fw-la &_o non_fw-la concesso_fw-la suppose_v without_o grant_v that_o theodoret_n and_o gelasius_n do_v favour_v your_o doctrine_n and_o then_o i_o argue_v thus_o faith_n rely_v upon_o authority_n and_o therefore_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n the_o great_a authority_n must_v command_v our_o belief_n and_o sway_v our_o understanding_n but_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n do_v evident_o hold_v with_o we_o and_o their_o authority_n be_v incomparable_o great_a therefore_o we_o be_v to_o submit_v to_o it_o and_o believe_v what_o they_o believe_v 14._o here_o i_o be_v with_o much_o a_o do_v permit_v to_o read_v some_o authority_n of_o