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occasion_n whether_o you_o have_v the_o pulpit_n so_o free_a or_o fear_v to_o have_v they_o less_o free_a afterward_o i_o dispute_v not_o you_o know_v that_o well_o enough_o only_o this_o i_o know_v that_o some_o of_o your_o brethren_n have_v give_v themselves_o liberty_n to_o speak_v somewhat_o free_o in_o favour_n of_o your_o opinion_n be_v afterward_o discountenance_v and_o become_v more_o prudent_a and_o circumspect_a in_o vent_v of_o themselves_o if_o you_o print_v not_o your_o opinion_n it_o may_v be_v you_o deal_v more_o prudent_o in_o teach_v they_o in_o private_a then_o in_o publish_v they_o in_o print_n and_o here_o you_o show_v how_o your_o charity_n be_v grow_v cold_a for_o in_o the_o beginning_n when_o so_o many_o mist_n be_v gather_v about_o you_o for_o fear_v of_o schism_n out_o of_o meet_a charity_n you_o abstain_v from_o writing_n and_o now_o when_o they_o be_v scatter_v you_o write_v your_o three_o grievance_n be_v the_o reproach_n of_o that_o proud_a and_o insolent_a 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