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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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has reigned long and Gods People did ever stand against such things thou mayst reade of many Martyrs that suffered Death who witnessed the truth against the pretended truth for the dark time and power of Babylon hath long reigned and the works of the Beast but now God is raising up Light in Peoples hearts 2 Cor. 4. 6. by which ye are descended that profess the Scripture to be your Rule and Touch-stone to try withall for the queries are put forth to you that ye might see your selves 1 Cor. 4. 5. that there is no Scripture for what you act and that you might shew forth your filthiness and here in thy queryes and writings thou hast made it appear openly the dark power that hath reigned in thee hath been an upholder of this Babylon that never knew any thing of the life of the Scripture come to be opened to thee but now thy torment is but beginning and so fare thee well and if thou hast an ear thou mayst hear Rev. 2. 11. but thy carnal filthy blinde minde in this will not be satisfied nor never must but must first know destruction and is for desruction which is an Enemy to God therefore do we not flatter thee nor few Pillows under thy arm-holes that thou maystly soft Query A question thou askest Which is most likely to be Antichrist and of the Devil he that preaches a Power in all men to obey Answ Now here thou shewest thy self openly to be Antichrist and of the Devil and knows not the first Principle for Jesus Christ sayth I am the light of the world that enlightens every one that comes into the world he that loves the light brings his deeds to the light that the light might prove them and he that walks in the light there is no occasion of stumb●ing and the other he hates the light because his deeds are evil and the Light will reprove them Iohn 3. ●● The Light is the condemnacion of the World which Light is Christ who sayth He is the Light here thou hast made thy self openly to be blinde and one of the children of disobedience who disobey the Light and wouldst have all others to disobey it and to follow thy imaginacions and so thou dost not onely deny it thy self but thou wouldst have all others to deny it For the Grace of God which bringeth salvacion hath appeared to all and teacheth us the Saints to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts Tit. 2. 11 12. this is the Saints Teacher but thou shewest thy self to be blinde and ignorant of the Letter this Grace hath appeared to all freely and this Grace of God is the free Teacher but such as thou art in the world turns this grace into wantonness and sets up Teachers without you and so denyes the Grace of God to teach and so lives in ungodliness and unrighteousness and tempts God for Grace when the Grace of God hath appeared to all and here thou shewest thy self to be a Tempter of God Iames 5. 5. and void of grace and understanding turning it into wantonness which should teach thee and drawst ot hers from it Query Another question thou ask●st Who is more likely to be Antichrist and of the Devil he that sayth he is Christ and the Light of the world or he that preaches that false Christs should come Answ The same that sayd false Christs should come the same Christ sayd he was Christ and the Light of the world this Christ and this Light we witness here thou callest Iesus Christ Antichrist and hast shewed forth thy blasphemy Iames 2. 7. Thou blasphemer how darest thou profess thy self to be a Minister of Christ and blasphemest Christ 2 Tim. 3. 2. and questionest whether he that sayth he is Christ be not of the Devil or no and here thou hast shewed thy self to be in the generacion of the Iews that blasphemed Christ and called him Devil Iohn 10. 33 36. for the same Christ we witness made as manifest as ever and thee to be a Reprobate without Christ and thou hast made thy self openly to appear to be a Reprobate without God and Christ in the world Ephes 2. 12. Query Another question thou askest who is like to be the man thou speakest of he that sayth he is equal with God and Christ or he that preached Christ the Head Ans Here in this question thou hast openly shewed thy self not to have the same minde the Apostle had for sayth he I would the same minde were in you that was also in Christ Iesus who thought it no robbery to be equal with God and yet made himself of no reputa●ion Phil. 2. 5. and here thou hast shewed thy self that thou hast neither the minde of Christ nor his Apostles but art an Antichrist and an Enemy against them that witness these things which the Apostle said I would that ye were of the same minde and again the Apostle sayth Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son 1 Iohn 1. 3. and he did write to others that their fellowship might be with them and he that hath the Father hath the Son also and he that is joyned to the Lord is one Spirit and he that is joyned to an Harlot is one flesh and there thou art harloted from all the Saints Christ and the Apostles and hast shewed thy self to be an Enemy against them who are in the same minde and condicion as the Apostles and Saints were here be thou a witness against thy self that thou art witnessing against the life of the Saints he that preached Christ witnessed the Head and the Members and wished the same minde to be in them as was in Christ who thought it no robbery to be equal with God Phil. 2. 6 7. which thou art ignorant of but thou hast shewed thy self that thou neither knowest the Head nor the Members nor the Body but wouldst seek to take the preheminence from Christ who hast got the chief place in the Assembly and art called of men Master but Christ sayd Call no man Master on earth for you have one Master even Christ Matth. 23. 7. and there thou hast taken the preheminence which Christ sayth He that will be greatest must be servant to all Matth. 23. 8 11. but thou art got above all in the place of them that the Wo was preached to and there is thy porcion own it FINIS Certain QUERIES occasioned by a Printed Paper of Richard Farnsworth sent to be answered and no Name subscribed From dark mindes which be full of subtlety not knowing the first Principle 1 Query WHether that Light within unto which thou exhortest all to attend be in unbelievers as well as in believers yea or no. Answ Friend in this first Query thou wouldst know whether the Light be in others which shews forth thy dark minde which cannot comprehend the Light neither hast thou the Light which the Scripture speak of Iesus Christ sayth I am the Light that enlightneth every one that cometh into the
and art one of them that art ever learning and led away with divers lusts never able to come to the knowledg of the Truth 2 Tim. 3. 7. Faith is that which leads out of the World up to God from all the Worlds Teachers 1 John 5. 4. and denyes all them as Christ did and doth who are called of men Master and stand praying in the Synagogue and which lay heavy burdens upon the People which Wo was pronounced upon Matth. 23. and is upon all such now he that hath an ear to hear let him hear the mystery of Faith 1 Tim. 3. 8. 2 Query Whether is Faith obtained by hearing the Word preached Answ Hast thou been a Hearer so long and art querying whether Faith cometh by hearing of the Word preached Rom. 10. 17. it shews forth thy subtlety Serpent like thou feedest upon Dust which is the Letter and the Word thou never heardst the Word which is God and Faith is the gift of God and comes by the hearing of the Word and the Word became flesh John 1. 14. but thou art in the generacion of them that ever persecuted them that heard this Word where it spoke forth and as for thee thy Faith is vain thou art yet in thy sins 1 Cor. 15. 14. 3 Query Whether have all men Faith Answ No thou hast none but art vain in thy imaginacions but as I sayd before thou art a Reprobate concerning the Faith 2. Tim. 3. 8. and thou art one of them that art unreasonable 2 Thess 3. ● which have not Faith which the Apostle prayed to be delivered from and thou that doubts art damned already Rom. 14. 23. 4 Query Whether is it possible for any man to please God without Faith Answ Thou canst not please God for thou hast not Faith for whatsoever is not of Faith is sin Rom. 14. 23. and all that ever thou dost is sin all thy Profession all thy reading all thy hearing and all thy praying is abominacion to the Lord for they are not offered up from the pure heart but thy heart is rotten filthy and corrupt and all thy hearing and all thy pratling of that thou callest the Word by it thou shalt never get Faith which is the Gift of God but it is all the Serpents meat which feeds thee thou Serpent which art cursed above all the Beasts of the Field who in these Queryes hast shewed forth thy subtlety and temptations Matth. 22. 35. who wouldst have us to deny the Scripture but it is ours we own it Heb. 4. 15. and thee we do deny for thou art without the life of it as the subtle Serpents were which tempted Christ canst thou deny it but thou holdest up such as have the chiefest place in the Assemblyes and stand praying there and with pretence make long Prayers and lays heavy Burdens upon the People and called of men Master which Christ forbids and these are thy Teachers of the Word and Ministers of the Gospel as thou callest them but ye are Antichrists and Enemies to all the commands of Christ O thou blinde Hypocrite and dark Beast why dost thou question things contrary to the Scripture but thou wouldst make a Lye of it as ever thou and thy Fathers did John 8. 44. 5 Query How is Christ in man Answ O thou carnal man and Enemy of Christ dost thou query how Christ is in man thou art of the same minde with the Jews which doubted whether that was the Christ yea or no Light shines in darkness and darkness doth not comprehend it Iohn 1. 5. I am the Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the world Iohn 1. 9. and that Light shall condemn thee who stumblest at it being without God in the world it shall be thy condemnacion the Light for thou walkst in darkness and knowst not whither thou goest but art led with thy blinde Guides and both shall fall into the Ditch together Matth. 15. 14. 6 Query Whether Christ as Christ be in all men Answ No in thee and thy dark understanding there is no room for Christ for thou art one of them that hates the Light which Light is Christ which hath enlightned every one that comes into the world which is the condemnacion of thee and all the world and thou art one of the Builders Mark 12. 10. that buildeth and stumbleth and rejecteth the Corner-stone Acts 4. 11. 1 Pet. 2. 7 8. who livest above the Light in thee in thy vain imaginacions which Light should guide thee to the Father which Light thou stumblest at and hatest and dost not obey so in flames of fier will he render vengeance upon all such as thou art who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 1. 8. and do not wait for his appearance 7 Query Whether hath God elected any to Salvation Answ We are elected to Salvation we have the witness within us prayses be to the glorious Lord God for ever who hath elected and chosen us before the foundacion of the world but thou art ordained of old for Condemnacion and for Perdicion among the ungodly ones and art a Reprobate one that hates Christ and art blinde doting about Questions and strife of words 1 Tim. 6. 4. in that untoward generacion which the Apostle prayed that the Saints might be kept from I know thy spirit it is tryed to be the spirit of Antichrist and the spirit of Error which is in the world which the Wo is to and that is thy porcion read Iude 11. 8 Query Whether hath any man or but onely he that is elected to Salvacion a sufficient Light in himself to lead him to Christ Answ Here thou stumblest again at the Light asking whether every man have a sufficient Light to lead them to Christ when Christ sayth I am the Light of the world Iohn 8. 12. and enlightneth every one that cometh into the world Iohn 1. 9. One he loves the Light and walks in it and is a Childe of Light and there is no occasion at all of stumbling Iohn 11. 9. the other he hates the Light because his deeds are evil and will not come to the Light lest the Light should reprove him Iohn 3. 19 20 21. which Light would lead to the Father of Light living in it and taking heed to it which Light shall condemn thee and all who hate it whose deeds are evil there thou art to be condemned by the Light which would teach thee and draw thee out of the World and from all the Teachers of the World and would lead thee up to Salvacion but thou hatest it therefore it is thy Condemnacion that lovest Darkness more than Light following thy own imaginacions which are raced out from God for ever and which Light shall be thy Condemnacion from God Iohn 3. 19. 9 Query What is original sin Answ That which thou livest in is the Root and Author of all Sin so if thou canst read thy self thou mayst know what Originall Sin is as thou calst
Truth 's Defence AGAINST the Refined Subtilty OF THE SERPENT Held forth in divers ANSWERS to severall QUERIES made by men called Ministers in the North. Given forth by the Light and Power of God appearing in GEORGE FOX and RICHARD HUBBERTHORN And they watched him and sent forth Spies which should feign themselves just men that they might take hold of his words that so they might deliver him into the power and authority of the Governours Luke 20. 20. Printed for Tho Wayt at his house in the Pavement in York 1653. To all general Professors of CHRIST in the VVorld WHat think ●e Is it not yet time to cease from strife but ye must be still beating your fellow Servants even when your Master is at the Door Have ye not yet understood the Parable of the Tares and Wheat that they should grow together till the Harvest and now is not the Harvest almost ripe Hath not the wisdom of Man had a long day of judging the righteous Seed But now that Seed i● rising up to judg it be silent then and ceas● from Man ● while and thou shalt see his highest wisdom declared to be his greatest folly what will it profit thee to resist the breathings forth of the Spirit of Righteousness in any will it not add fuel to that unquenchable fier which already burns as an Oven tho it may be thou see it not yet but as it was of old sayd In the last days shall come Scoffers men which onely have a Form of Godliness but deny and oppose the Power where ever it appears 't is well if it happen not to this Generation as it did in the days of Noah the Preacher of Righteousness the world then being drowned in the sensual life they could not hear nor understand therefore the Flood came and swept them away He not high-minded but fear for though ye have heaped to your selves many Teachers and clothed your selves with many Forms of Worship yet these will not abide the ●ier nor defend you from the Iudgment that is coming upon you consider what a Night of Confusion is already upon you how are ye shattered and rent asunder that you cannot give a tru account what ye are or where you are this is the Lords doing that will spoil you of all your Idols and make you ashamed of your hard speeches against the innocent Cannot you be content to suck what sweet you can as long as you can out of the pride and vanityes of this World but you must push with you Horns the low and contemptibl● Servants of Christ who through his mighty power is now raising up those Valleys whereon himself will sit in them with them to judg that spirit in you both quick and dead Divers QUERIES of great importance propounded by Thomas Atkinson of Cartmall in Lancashire TO Gabriel Camelford Parson of Stafley-Chappel with his Answers to them Also REPLIES to the ANSVVERS wherein is layd open the subtilty and deceit of the Priest and his Invencions Snares and Baits and false Imaginations discovered by the pure light of God which hath shined in our hearts and hath given us to see the darkness which he and the World live in hating this Light which hath appeared and enlightned every one that cometh into the World Iohn 1. 9. and all who are guided by this Light and have a pure eye opened in them which is the light of the body may see and discern the darkness blindness and ignorance of the Priest I Have received many confused Queries which came from a dark minde which would know the condicions of the Apostles or have another meaning to the Scriptures and that minde I do deny for if thou have the Spirit that gave them forth then thou wouldst witness us but as a Serpént full of Venom hast thou shewed forth thy self spuing forth thy venom which must be turned into Hell who errest not knowing the Scriptures and the power of God Friend in thy Queries thou askest thou dost not know what for some Queries were sent to thee and thou lookedst upon them to be frivelous and absurd things so thou mayst look upon that which Christ spoke and the Apostles and the Prophets and say that is frivolous and absurd for they were given forth all by one Spirit according to measure as they ever did in that Generation they are so with thy frivolous and absurd minde though thy frivolous and absurd minde ●●serve such things for thy ends Thou sayst they were condemned to the fier to be burned which if they had it would have been a figure to thy self which Nature could do no other for they came to torment him and thee who are for the fier as it is written The Beast and the false Prophet shall be turned into the fier you might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fier And I have received certain Papers in which there is confusion which thou callest thy Answers and many confused Queries which hath come from a Babylonian Merchant which hath sent some of his stuff to me who art the scarlet-coloured Beast and the well-favoured Harlot proceeding from a confused minde which art confused and come out of Egypt from a dark understanding in whom the Prince of the Ayer lodgeth who maintainst the Devils Kingdom with all thy force and might and power as it doth appear which would be satisfied who art in the unreasonable nature thy satisfaction must be Death therefore for the simple ones sake have I freely let forth my self in a few Answers and Replies to thy unlearned and confused Queries Questions and Answers that thy deceit might be discovered and the power of truth known and the simple ones directed and God alone glorified To all professed Ministers who have taken the title of Ministers of the Gospel of Christ who is the end of the Law and the Prophets and Shadows which shadow him forth a few Questions to you who have taken this Office upon you Querie 1. Whether thou hast that Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the world which Light is Christ yea or no. Pr. Answ Through grace and love displayed and shed abroad in my soul I am able to say that my beloved is mine and I am his and therefore all he has is mine at least for my advantage his light as a Prophet and his love as a Saviour is mine and all to teach me and lead me to my Fathers house but thy inference thereon is absurd and foolish thine do I say I mistook the inference of thy Master or Scribe for it is not thy hand-writing and in that I wonder but that it is usual with you how you can be so contradictory to your own Principles for you generally charge others with speaking that which is not their own and yet thou comest in the face of the Congregation and givest that which is not thy own thy self for shame either deny your Principles or act and speak according to them But to let that
Apostles were men that were under the same commands that were generally commanded of all men cannot be denyed and if so then they were to teach this very Lesson of singing Psalms to the world where they went see Psal 100. 1. 96. 1. 117. 1. 61. 32. 148. 11 12 13. 145. 21. 150. 6. Now because you generally keep such work about this particular but further least you should evade this the New Testament is not altogether silent in this case for we reade of Christ that he sung a Hymn with his Disciples after Supper according to the manner of the Iews at their Feasts which say some was a Part of the 116 Psalm Paul and Silas sung in Prison and besides this Paul observed the command of God in this particular for he taught the Churches this very thing Ephes 5. 19 20. ●ol 3. 16. yea and the Apostle Iames declares the very extent of the command Iames 5. 13. holding it forth as a general duty without exception he sayth Is any merry let him sing Psalms For singing them in Meeter I would ask thee such a Question whether a truth in Meeter holding forth the goodness greatness majesty or mercy of God do not remain a truth instructing comforting edifying as well as the same in Prose If so the Devil hath befooled you exceedingly to make you so busie without cause as you are in this thing and while you pretend for truth of one hand you are beating down truth on the other hand publickly and visibly but besides this the Psalms were penned by the Spirit of God so no question they were directed to be sung in the Temple to that end David sent the Psalms to the chief Musician or Master of the Musick to put them in Meeter for singing and gave them grave Tunes to sing them forth in for the Hebrew Psalms were sung in Meeter in the Temple and in Tunes invented and what makes it worse now than it was heretofore God hath required the singing of Psalms even of English men as they are a part of the world then to that end Scripture-Psalms which were Themes and Verses are translated into English Psalms which Themes and Verses in like sort that we might sing them besides all this I would have thee to know that we are not to live onely by examples but by precepts also now I have discovered general precepts for the practise of this and as we are to do it so we are to do it spiritually orderly and most to edificacion and so the general Rule is 1 Cor. 14. 26 40. the Apostle in the 26 verse specifies this particular of a Psalm now what can be more for edificacion and decency and order than to follow that order that had been used so long before with the approbacion of God himself Hezekiah set the house of God in order and this was one thing he did he put the singing of Davids Psalms in order as in the 2 Chron. 29. 30. and in chapter 7. 30. 26. God blames him not for it but saith he There is none like him from the days of Solomon and to this day the order is not contradicted by God that I know if thou knowest more discover it Last of all exception is taken because they are given forth to the world any Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God are not bound up so close but a company of the world may come in amongst them and joyn with them in those things which are required of all men as hearing the Word praying or singing of Psalms and Christians are not to refrain because they are there for this see that place 1 Cor. 14. 23 24. Now whatsoever thou judgest I dare not but judg that God hath some of his people in our meetings that are Christians indeed and though there may be more of the world I know not that this should be a ground to forbear that which all in the Congregation are required to do viz to speak good of God A Reply to the Priests Answer Whereas thou goest about to maintain the singing of Davids Psalms in a Meeter and that the Apostles did so and went into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms to sing in a Meeter which David sayth The dead cannot prayse the Lord here I charge thee in the presence of the Almighty God to be a perverter of Scriptures and of the Apostles words and Davids words and dost bring in a consequence to bring them into the same carnal invencion that thou art in and wouldst make them like thy self and thou bringest a Scripture Matth. 28. 20. that the Apostles went into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms to sing in a Meeter there is not a word in the Scripture that Christ sent his Apostles into the world to give them Davids Psalms to sing in Meeter here thou accusest Christ and wouldst make him like thy self and wouldst make the Apostles like thy self here again I charge thee to be a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures thou speakest of Paul and Silas singing and them thou dost bring to confirm thy going into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms in a Meeter here thou hast shewed forth thy blindness sottishness and ignorance Paul and Silas when they sung prayses to God they were in Prison which condicion thou never knewest and another Scripture thou bringest concerning Christ and his Disciples when they did sing an Hymn which thou art ignorant of but art in the Generacion of the Pharises and Priests that ●ought to put him to death who hath gotten the form of his words therefore as Amos sayth The songs of the Temple shall be turned into houling Amos 8. thy songs and all your songs another Scripture thou bringest in the Ephesians and Colossians to maintain thy beastly end of going into the world who are ignorant and live in darkness and giving them Davids Psalms in a Meeter contrary to all the Scripture and the practise of all the Saints and wouldst compare the Church who are gathered out of the world the Saints to be like the world and thy beastly worship who sung with the spirit and with understanding and with grace making melody to the Lord in their hearts 1 Cor. 14. 15. Heb. 2. 12. but the world turns the grace of God into wantonness and how darest thou compare them with those that lives and dwels in the grace of God and sings with grace and with the spirit but here thou hast shewed forth thy ignorance and blindness and it is that fools may utter forth their folly and that blinde Guides might appear openly and here I charge thee again to wrest the Scriptures and David thou bringest for the justifying of thy going into the world and giving them his Psalms to sing in Meeter who sayd Sing unto the Lord a new Song and none can sing a new song but who are rede●med from the earth Rev. 14. 3. and who are not
of the world and here thou art an adder and the Plagues are added to thee therefore all thy consequence and Songs we utterly deny and thy vain imitacions thou wouldst fain get a colour out of the Apostles words to maintain thee in thy filthiness but thy shelter is taken away and thy coverings and thou art discovered to be without and not in the practise of the Saints Friend the singing with the spirit as they did we own that singing in grace we own and making melody to the Lord in the heart we own and the singing of a New Song we own and witness as the Saints did but thy singing we do deny and witness against it Glory glory to the Highest Another Scripture thou bringest to maintain the singing of Davids Psalms in Meeter that the Apostle gave them to the ignorant world which is Iames 5. 13. where there is not a word in the Scriptures for it but he sayd If any be merry let him sing Psalms which he spoke to the Saints scattered abroad and not to the world and there thou art a Lyar of him and a false accuser of him the Apostles sayd they would sing with understanding and here thou shewest that thou hast no understanding nor no grace that thou livest in it s not to be given to people that turn the grace of God into wantonness and have no understanding in things that be eternal nor of the Saints condicions that were gathered out of the world here thou hast made thy self voyd of the knowledg of God and of Christ and of the Apostles and all the Saints thy Meeter we do deny and they who turned them into Meeter are like thy self therefore do we witness the beating down of all thy strong holds and singing in Meeter thou hast got another mans condicion into Meeter and all people I take to record if thou shouldst see David roaring quaking and trembling and water his Bed with his tears Psal 32. 3. ● 11. ● ● 42. 3. and have this turned into a Meeter and get up into a Pulpit among ignorant people of beastical mindes and then say Let us sing to the prayse and glory of God Let all people judg what thou justifiest and this is thy imitated singing which is altogether to his dishonor and this is thy Psalm but who are moved to sing with understanding and making melody to the Lord in their hearts we own if it be in Meeter we own it O thou blinde Hypocrite was David of the world when he did sing prayses and did David send his Psalms to the chief Musician to havo them put in Meeter and so to give them to the world thou neither knowest the Example nor the Precept which thou wouldst have us to know nor David and all thy Precepts we do deny and that minde in thee which doth discover them as thou sayst which is thy own practise and not the practise of the Saints for there is nothing proceeds out of thee but what comes out of thy imaginacions and invencions but the Precept which the Scripture speaks of we know and witness which thou art ignorant of as thou makest it to appear and all those Psalms which you have turned into an English Meeter we deny and such as thou art who keep people in blinde forms and customs but the singing prayses to God as David did we own and witness Psal. 104. 33. 144. 9. which thou art without and ignorant of and an Enemy to and to them who witness the same condicion as he was in And friend another Scripture thou bringest 1 Cor. 14. 26 40. to maintain thee that the Apostle went into the world and gave them Davids Psalms in a Meeter to sing and here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to wrest the Scripture and to add to the Scripture for the Apostle spoke this not to the world but he spoke to the Brethren if thou wert not blinde thou mightst see it the very Letter declares it O thou slanderous Beast why dost thou slander the Church of God and would make them like the rude world strikers fighters Ps 33. 2. 89. 5. but it is that thou mightst shew forth thy folly blindness sortishness and ignorance thou Hypocrite if thou wouldst sing now as David did then where is thy Harp Lute and thy loud Symball here thou shewest thy self that thou art neither in Davids condicion nor the Apostles nor in the Saints condicion but art without following thy own filthy imaginacions living in the cursed nature which holds up all these abominacions and the abominable invencions of men which God forbids Thou sayst God hath required the singing of these Psalms of English men in this thou art a Lyar O thou Lyar God never commanded these Psalms to be sung of English men which you have turned into a Meeter but they are your own invencions and when you reade them Hats you keep on and when you sing them Hats you put off and here you worship the works of your own hands thou sayst you ought to do it spiritually which is thy own invencion and applicacion and thee and thy application we do deny and there is nothing of the spirit born up in thy understanding to guide thee now here thou shewest to be in the same nature that the world is in they say they ought to do such things and doth not here thou shewest thy self to be one of them without and not in the same minde the Apostle was in who sayd We will sing with the spirit and we will sing With understanding and with grace but we do deny all thy imitacions And ●riend another Scripture thou bringest to hold up giving to the world Davids Psalms to sing in Meeter 2 Chron. 29. 30. and here I charge thee in this Scripture to be a Lyar in the presence of the Lord God Almighty and an adder to the Scriptures for they sang prayses to the Lord who were Brethren that came to the house of the Lord as the Scripture sayth and Hezekiah did not give them Davids Psalms to sing in Meeter which were Enemies to God but these did sing when the House was cleansed and this is nothing to thee to hold up thine abominacions and to give the world Davids Psalms in Meeter but openly to all people hast thou shewed thy self thou sayst God blamed him not there was none like him therefore thou mayst see thy self he was not of the world and here thou shewest thou dost not know the old Covenant and hastraced thy self out of them both and hast made thy self stark blinde thou sayst to this day the order is not contradicted by God Did not Steven witness and say God doth not dwell in Temples made with hands Acts 7. 48. and for witnessing forth the substance was stoned to death and the Apostle Paul witnessed against all the Figures Types and Shadows and all their Customs and outside Observances and all their offering and contradicted that which God