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A66855 A declaration to the Baptists concerning the name of the Lord, and what it is to be baptized thereinto, and the nature of the Lord, and what it is to be made partaker thereof : and sheweth that none can be saved, but such as are baptized into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, into which name and nature, the apostles were sent to baptize, and not into water : shewing also, that the apostles were made the administrators of the Spirits baptism ... : also a discovery of the Baptists foundation ... / written by one who was sometimes one with them in the shadows ... but have now found the day wherein the shadows flee away, and hath received another name besides Humphry Wollrich. Wollrich, Humphry, 1633?-1707. 1659 (1659) Wing W3290; ESTC R39137 27,678 39

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A DECLARATION TO THE BAPTISTS Concerning the Name of the Lord and what it is to be Baptized thereinto and the Nature of the Lord and what it is to be made partaker thereof AND SHEWETH That none can be saved but such as are Baptized into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost into which Name and Nature the Apostles were sent to Baptize and not into Water Shewing also That the Apostles were made the Administrators of the Spirits Baptism by vertue of their Commission Matth. 28. Go ye therefore into all Nations teaching them and Baptising them in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost ALSO A Discovery of the BAPTISTS Foundation and Bottom and many of their principal Doctrines set down herein held forth at a Dispute in Leicester-Shire at one Henry Smiths at Wythcock the 27 day of teh 12th moneth 1658. Before a multitude of people with an Answer thereunto wherein is shewed also that the Baptists are setting up Types and Shadows above Christ and visible carnal created things above the invisible Eternal and unchangeable God Zach. 10.12 And they shall walk up and down in the Name of the Lord. 1 Cor. 12. For by one Spirit are we all Baptized into one Body Written by one who was sometimes one with them in the shadows feeding upon the wind and eating that which died of its self and did not satisfie But have now found the day wherein the shadows flee away and hath received another name Besides HUMPHRY WOLLRICH London Printed for G. C. and are to be sold by Thomas Simmons 1659. A DECLARATION To the Baptists concerning the name of the Lord Mat. 28.18 19 20. FRiends all ye that are called Baptists you are they amongst whom I have sometime had my conversation and as you are now so was I whilst I was among you professing a God and a Christ whom I knew not but by the hearing of the ear and then I was looking at things that were seen as you are building my foundation upon carnal created visible things which all must perish in the using but my self knew not Christ the Rock of Ages who is invisible and eternal and a foundation of many generations and the foundation of his people in all generations him have I found whom Moses and the Prophets wrote of and therefore I leave those things which must decrease as Johns Disciples did and follow him who must and doth encrease even Christ Jesus the Light of the World who hath lighted every man that cometh into the World who is the end of all shaddowes types and figures the end of the Law to his people who are come in to him who was before sin and transgression was the same it is that doth put an end to sin and finish transgression unto which and because of which the Law was added untill the seed came which is made under the Law shadowes types and figures I say when he is come and doth reign and rule in his Saints and hath condemed in them all iniquity transgression and sin to such and none but such is Christ the end of the Law for the Law takes hold of a man so long as he lives in sin for the Law was added because of sin and none are under grace till the Law hath condemned sin therefore all friends who are breathing after the Lord but your minds still without and ye being alienated from that which may be known of God in you which is the candle of the Lord and searcheth all your hearts and tryeth all your reins to you I say let your profession be what it will and your form be what it will it is but your own will and so contrary to the will of God you not being led into it by the pure eternall unchangeable spirit of the Lord God in whom as I have said before there is no variableness or shaddow of changing therefore in love to you all and the welfare of your immortal souls which is of more worth and value then all the World all turn to the Light of the Lord that shines in darkness that convinceth you reproves you and checks you for all your ungodly words and for all your hard speeches which ye have ignorantly and wickedly spoken against the Lord and against his people whom he hath anointed with the oyl of joy and gladnesse above their brethren who have cast them out for his names sake and have said Let the Lord be glorified as you have hated mee and cast mee out as an evil doer as a blasphemer a heretick and as one not fit to live upon the earth though to this day ye can prove no evil against me either in life or doctrine but as Christ his Apostles and Saints in all ages who were innocent suffered as evil doers by this evil and adulterous generation who were gone a whoring from under their God and are run into the things that are seen which are temporal and have got the shaddowes types and figures and a form but are enemies unto and deny the life and power of Godlinesse and in obedience to the Lord because of these things which I found among you I turned from you and separated from you and this is according to the Apostles doctrine and not contrary to Scripture But the Lord commandeth his people to separate from all that walk disorderly under what name or form soever they be and he will be a Father unto them and a God unto them and will dwell in them and walk in them and they shall be my sons and daughters saith the Lord Almighty and into this state and condition the Lord God is gathering his Sheep which have been scattered in their thoughts and imaginations upon all the dark mountains of Israel crying lo here and lo there even into a sure resting place to sit under their own vine and under their own fig-tree where none shall make them afraid and their place of defence shall be the munition of rocks where their bread is sure and their water given them and they eat of the hidden Manna which hath been hid from many generations where they eat of the bread of life and are refreshed and strengthened in the Inward man where they drink abundantly of the Rivers of pleasures that are at the right hand of God for evermore Into this place is the Lord God of life gathering his children more and more even into this land which flowes with milk and honey where they drink of the Living fountain and eat of the honey out of the Rock which hath followed them in the wilderness and hath led them out of darkness even out of thick darkness and by his Light they walk and are walking through darkness and through the wilderness where they have been long tempted proved and tryed even by a way which we knew not and he suffered us to hunger and he fed us there with Manna which had been hid from us and by a way which we never went hath heled us by
power you shall feel Rise in you as you wait out of all your thoughts and reasonings and imaginations and then shall you feel and not before that Gods thoughts are not as your thoughts nor Gods wayes as your wayes neither doth the Lord reveal his secrets to any who are out of the Babes nature and childes nature for there is not any of them as yet that is become as a little child or as a weaned child before the Lord as David was and how then should you see the Kingdom of God for Christ saith a man must be regenerate and become as a child before that he can see the Kingdom of God and again he saith whosoever receives not the Kingdom as a little child shall in no wise enter therein Therefore I say again unto you who are in the halings pullings and tearings and using Antichrists weapons which are not spiritual but carnal when any is moved of the Lord as I have often been to come to your meetings and have spoken unto you in the Name and dread of the Lord then have you made it appear that you are yet in the Lions nature which never trod in the way of the Lord honestly consider and search the Scriptures which you say is your rule to walk by where did you ever find therein that any of the Saints or people of the Lord did ever pull and hale any out of their meetings or elect officers or make it the work of their Deacons which should be full of the Holy ghost to pull or hale any violently out of their meetings as Thomas Lamb and William Allin did who say the Holy Ghost hath made them overseers of the Church of Christ with many more such like actions which ye be found in besides many damnable doctrines which would be too much here to repeat some of which I shall set down in the following discourse And this is the judgement of the Lord and the wrath of the Lord upon you all for your wickedness in that you are still calling your selves Christians and the Church of the Lord and will not see how unlike Christ and his Church you are in all these actions And many of you who are called Baptists have had much tendernesse in you formerly and then was the Lord nearer you and ye nearer to him then now you are and then could you begin to say that all the World lay in vanity by reason of which there is nothing but vexation of spirit and then did many of you begin to deny respect of Persons which you saw to be sin But are now contending for and practising of that which you once saw vanity in and are again building that which you once destroyed and so are become transgressors of the Law But it is happened unto you according to the true proverb the dog is returned to his vomit and the sow that was washed to the wallowing in the mire And many of you in those dayes began to deny the worlds fashions in casting off your gold and silver and costly attire which you saw to be needlesse and contrary to the Scripture and practises of the Saints and not the adorning which the daughters of Sarah and the holy women of old were adorned with and many of you have cast off your points fancies and needlesse toyes which then you did wear but now there is many of you have got again your silk garters and fancies and wear your silver and gold laces and plead for them and say they are needful things and that by your own rule the Scriptures with which rule you could formerly plead against them so that if one come to your meetings one can behold no difference between you and the world which you say you are separated from and who in all the Steeple-houses can be more full of vanity then some of your Teachers and Pastors are in wearing your cuffs and silver hat-bands and your hats licked like a spotted Leopard therefore all your separation from the world is but in words for you are not yet redeemed out of the Worlds wayes fashions friendships and customs which are all enmity with God and must passe away but he that doth the will of God abideth for ever and can never be moved And when I consider these things and whether and from whence ye are fallen and how ye have hardened your hearts against the Lord as Pharaoh did in whose presence and before whom I was altogether unwilling to write unto you so that I may truly say that I do it rather by constraint then willingly But the spirit of the Lord constraineth me which is contrary to mans will in all things and in obedience to him whose wayes and wisdom is not as mans do I write whether you hear or forbear to hear And concerning the order of your Church which you say is the Church of Christ and you say your selves are in the Gospel order and Members thereof answer these queries following First where do ye find or read in the Scriptures that the Ministers of Christ did set up an hour-glasse to preach by as ye do and when that is out to say the time is spent whether your time be in the Fathers hand or in the hour-glasse or whether the Spirit of the Lord is or ever was limited to an hour-glasse or whether the Saints did not all speak one by one as the spirit gave them utterance Secondly Whether the Saints or Ministers of Christ did invent what to say before-hand and writ it down as some of ye do and then read it to your Church or whether they did not speak as the unlimimitted Spirit gave them utterance Thirdly Where did the Church of Christ ever appoint a certain number of their members to speak at set times and call it disorder for any to speak besides them whom they did appoint and whether they might not all speak one by one that all may be edified and all might be comforted whether this was not the order and not counted confusion in any of the Churches of the Saints But Alas alas so are you fallen and so far degenerated from the Lord and apostatized from the Apostles life doctrine and practise and so ignorant are you of the letter of the Scriptures which ye say is your rule and so far hath the God of the World blinded your eyes that now you are seting up things that are seen which are temporal created visible things and must perish in the using thereof in stead of the invisible eternal and unchangeable God you are setting up carnal water in stead of the Name of the Lord which is the nature of God and is invisible and is unchangeable and one with himself and unchangeable as he is unchangeable and so far are ye gone from the Name of the Lord which is a strong tower which is the Rock of Ages and the foundation of many generations into which name Christ gave his Apostles commission to teach and Baptize as ye may read Mat. 28.
the Name of the Father Son and of the Holy Ghost teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and lo I am with you alwayes even unto the end of the World Fifthly You say the commission must needs be water and not the Spirit because it was onely the work of Christ and not the Apostles work to administer the Holy Ghost and Iohn Gosnel in the second page of his book doth conclude that the Baptisme here instituted is with water for the Baptisme of the spirit saith he was never administred by man but Christ was the Minister of it himself Ans To which I say read the words of the commission again and there you shall find that Christ doth commission them to Baptize in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost and not into the water 6. And yet so blind are ye as to say this was not the Apostles work neither was it in mans power say you to administer the Holy Ghost Ans To which I say Christ did nothing of himself and all power which he had was of the Father and removed from the Father vers the 18th And greater works then these shall ye do because I go to my Father saith Christ and read Acts. 8. and there you shall find that the Apostles vers 17 18. were the onely administrators of the Holy Ghost not by any power of their own but by the power which Christ received of his Father and gave unto them Then laid they their hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost read Acts. 19.6 when Paul had laid his hands upon them the Holy Ghost came upon them And you do not read in all the Scriptures that Christ did thus act But he made his Apostles the administrators thereof and Iohn Gosnel in his 41 page saith thus That the Baptism of the spirit is expressed by the pouring forth of the spirit both in the Old and New Testament and that he confesseth is upon all his sons and daughters and upon all flesh and he proves this Ioel. 2.28 29. And yet before in his Book saith the Baptism of the Spirit fell onely on some few at the first but Paul saith that both Jew and Greek Bond and Free were all Baptized by one Spirit into one Body and were all made to drink into one Spirit and thus it fals upon thee that which thou art charging upon some others Esa 24. They have transgressed the Law and changed the Ordinance which I say is Everlasting and a storng Tower to his people and the Saviour and Tried-stone to all that trust in him and in stead thereof ye have set up that unstable water and a carnal Ordinance of your own invention and divers washings which all must perish in the using after the commandments and doctrines of men Col. 2. Seventhly You say that the Bible on the Letter is the Judge of the Spirits Answ To which I say you who have lost the Spirit of the Lord and know not Christ to whom all Judgment is committed must needs erre in Judgement and stumble in vision and put light for darkness and darkness for light and set up a carnal thing in stead of the invisible and unchangeable God and so by the Spirit of the Lord God you who are for Judgement are Judged and by that which you say is your Rule and Judge are Condemned 1 Cor. 2.15 1 John 4.1 4. and John 5.22 Eighthly You say that the Letter is the Sword of the Spirit Answ You who have lost the Word of the Lord and the Light of the Lord which is the Armour of God know not the Sword of Spirit which is the Word of God which is quick and powerful and sharper then any two edged sword and preceedeth out of the mouth of the Lamb Kev 19.15 Ephes 6.17 Ninthly You say that the Letter was the onely weapon wherewith Christ fought and overcame the Devil Answ You who have lost the Spirit of the Lord know no other but a carnal weapon to fight with but the Saints who are guided by the Spirit of the Lord said that theirs were not carnal but Spiritual and mighty through the power of God to the pulling down of every high thought 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And they said they were not Ministers of the Letter but of the Spirit and that is the Reason of all your haling and pulling of all your lies and slanders which ye are forced to use to defend your form but know not the Armour of God nor the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God to defend you and overcome withal Epes 6.11 14. 2 Cor. 3.6 Tenthly You say the Letter is the Law the Testimony and the Light Answ All this is contrary to the Scriptures which you say is your guide for they say Christ is the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World John 1.9 John 8.12 And thy Law is Light sayes Solomon Prov. 6.23 And the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy Rev. 19.10 Eleventhly You say it was not the work of Christ or his Apostles to turn any to the Light within Answ Read the Scripture which ye so condemn us for denying and ye may see that ye are they which deny them and not we Acts 26.18 2 Cor. 4.4 6. where you may read that Paul said I was sent to turn them from the darkness to light from the power of Satan unto God and told them that the light which did shine in their hearts must give them the knowledge of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 Twelfthly That the Bible is the Living Word of God and able to make a man Wise unto Salvation Answ To which I say All that are in their sins as ye are know not Christ the living Word and to me it is not a wonder to hear you call that living which is dead and cannot give life nor power over sin but the Scripture doth affirm that Christ is the Word and that it is he that ever liveth and is made a high Priest by the power of a life that hath no end and this is he that liveth and abideth for ever read Iohn 1. ● 3. Heb. 7.9 16. 1 Iohn 5.22 Thirteenthly You say that it is false doctrine to say that he that is born of God sinneth not Answ To you which know not the living and immortal Word it is and alwayes was by such and to such as you are who are Reprobates concerning the Faith which should purifie you but to the Children of the Lord this was never false doctrine for they said he that was born of God sinneth not 1 Iohn 3.6 10. Fourteenthly Yon say that the Bible is the Gospel and the power of God Answ To this I say Christ was the power of God and Wisdom of God and the Rock of all his people in all ages and the Foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and to us he is the same as he was to them in all ages even the power of God to Salvation Rom. 1.16 And so all that are honest hearted among you when you have read the Teachers Principles may see I have not wronged you in saying ye have set up shadowes above the substance and the Letter above Christ that gives Life From him who is in scorn called a Quaker H. W. THE END Page 7. line 1. for them read you p. 13. l 36. for love r. low